What do you think of Catch weights?

[CFH]

Hate them. They're bad for the sport. There is no good reason why Pacquiao can't fight Cotto at 147. We have enough weight divisions without stupid catchweight fights being brought into play.

This.

It's all about money. If Pacquiao wasn't dangling a multi-million dollar carrot in front of Cotto's nose this fight would never happen. Honestly, unless it's at 147 I will give Pac very little credit for beating Mosley or Cotto and I hope others do the same. It isn't even necessary IMO, Pac would beat Cotto if they fought at any weight from 147 up.

[bzkfn]

Hate them. They're bad for the sport. There is no good reason why Pacquiao can't fight Cotto at 147. We have enough weight divisions without stupid catchweight fights being brought into play.

This.

It's all about money. If Pacquiao wasn't dangling a multi-million dollar carrot in front of Cotto's nose this fight would never happen. Honestly, unless it's at 147 I will give Pac very little credit for beating Mosley or Cotto and I hope others do the same. It isn't even necessary IMO, Pac would beat Cotto if they fought at any weight from 147 up.

I feel pretty strongly about this. Seriously if Pacquiao wants to fight the Welters he should do it in their weightclass. If he wants to fight at 140, go fight Bradley or Edwin Valero. What pisses me off about it is if both Cotto & Mosley tell Pacquiao to fuck off, Pacquiao has to take a smaller payday to fight someone the world doesn't care about or just make the damn fight. Its not like Floyd is going to accept a 60-40 cut in Manny's favour.

People criticize Floyd alot, but when he fought Oscar he went to 154 and fought him at his natural weightclass. He didn't request a weight drained Oscar to step in the ring.

[XaduBoxer]

I've said this many times before, if all parties agreed to have a fight at a certain weight (regular weight class, catchweight or otherwise) then there's NO PROBLEM AT ALL... If a boxer agreed to fight at THAT WEIGHT then he believes that HE CAN WIN the fight at THAT WEIGHT... end of...
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[bzkfn]

I've said this many times before, if all parties agreed to have a fight at a certain weight (regular weight class, catchweight or otherwise) then there's NO PROBLEM AT ALL... If a boxer agreed to fight at THAT WEIGHT then he believes that HE CAN WIN the fight at THAT WEIGHT... end of...
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So you're supporting Pacquiao's stance . I'm stunned.

Seriously what is the point of having weightclasses if fighters keeping breaking those barriers? If Pacquiao wants to fight a Welterweight for a Welterweight World Title, then he should do so at 147. If he doesn't, then he should stay at 140 and fight a 140lber.

[XaduBoxer]

I've said this many times before, if all parties agreed to have a fight at a certain weight (regular weight class, catchweight or otherwise) then there's NO PROBLEM AT ALL... If a boxer agreed to fight at THAT WEIGHT then he believes that HE CAN WIN the fight at THAT WEIGHT... end of...
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So you're supporting Pacquiao's stance . I'm stunned.

Seriously what is the point of having weightclasses if fighters keeping breaking those barriers? If Pacquiao wants to fight a Welterweight for a Welterweight World Title, then he should do so at 147. If he doesn't, then he should stay at 140 and fight a 140lber.

If PAC and Cotto will agree to fight at a catchweight of 143, do you think there could be some group who can successfully protest that this fight should not happen at that catchweight??

[XaduBoxer]

Hate them. They're bad for the sport. There is no good reason why Pacquiao can't fight Cotto at 147. We have enough weight divisions without stupid catchweight fights being brought into play.

This.

It's all about money. If Pacquiao wasn't dangling a multi-million dollar carrot in front of Cotto's nose this fight would never happen. Honestly, unless it's at 147 I will give Pac very little credit for beating Mosley or Cotto and I hope others do the same. It isn't even necessary IMO, Pac would beat Cotto if they fought at any weight from 147 up.

I feel pretty strongly about this. Seriously if Pacquiao wants to fight the Welters he should do it in their weightclass. If he wants to fight at 140, go fight Bradley or Edwin Valero. What pisses me off about it is if both Cotto & Mosley tell Pacquiao to fuck off, Pacquiao has to take a smaller payday to fight someone the world doesn't care about or just make the damn fight. Its not like Floyd is going to accept a 60-40 cut in Manny's favour.

People criticize Floyd alot, but when he fought Oscar he went to 154 and fought him at his natural weightclass. He didn't request a weight drained Oscar to step in the ring.

This just showed that Team PAC did a very good job in negotiating the PAC-Hoya fight... It could also show that PAC has more negotiating power and could be that Hoya is in need to make the fight more...

I think PAC also got a better purse split (with Hoya) as compared to what Floyd got in his Hoya fight...
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[generalbulldog]

Now I won't criticize Pacman for fighting Oscar at 147 because you can't expect Manny to jump 3 weight classes and meet him at 154, but for the Cotto fight where it's 1 weight class and Pacman in my opinion has a good shot of beating Cotto then fight him at 147, fighting someone that's weight drain is a very cowardly move. Don't make the fight if you think you can't beat an opponent at their best with your boxing skills. The fight if made at a catchweight is a farce.

[XaduBoxer]

Now I won't criticize Pacman for fighting Oscar at 147 because you can't expect Manny to jump 3 weight classes and meet him at 154, but for the Cotto fight where it's 1 weight class and Pacman in my opinion has a good shot of beating Cotto then fight him at 147, fighting someone that's weight drain is a very cowardly move. Don't make the fight if you think you can't beat an opponent at their best with your boxing skills. The fight if made at a catchweight is a farce.

Assumptions:

1. Cotto can't beat PAC at 140.
2. PAC can't beat Cotto at 147.
3. Cotto can beat PAC at 143/144 and PAC can beat Cotto at 143/144.

Make the fight at a catchweight of 143/144...
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[bzkfn]

Now I won't criticize Pacman for fighting Oscar at 147 because you can't expect Manny to jump 3 weight classes and meet him at 154, but for the Cotto fight where it's 1 weight class and Pacman in my opinion has a good shot of beating Cotto then fight him at 147, fighting someone that's weight drain is a very cowardly move. Don't make the fight if you think you can't beat an opponent at their best with your boxing skills. The fight if made at a catchweight is a farce.

Assumptions:

1. Cotto can't beat PAC at 140.
2. PAC can't beat Cotto at 147.
3. Cotto can beat PAC at 143/144 and PAC can beat Cotto at 143/144.

Make the fight at a catchweight of 143/144...
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After seeing the fight against Oscar and how strong Pac looked as a Welter, why couldn't he beat Cotto at 147?

[XaduBoxer]

Now I won't criticize Pacman for fighting Oscar at 147 because you can't expect Manny to jump 3 weight classes and meet him at 154, but for the Cotto fight where it's 1 weight class and Pacman in my opinion has a good shot of beating Cotto then fight him at 147, fighting someone that's weight drain is a very cowardly move. Don't make the fight if you think you can't beat an opponent at their best with your boxing skills. The fight if made at a catchweight is a farce.

Assumptions:

1. Cotto can't beat PAC at 140.
2. PAC can't beat Cotto at 147.
3. Cotto can beat PAC at 143/144 and PAC can beat Cotto at 143/144.

Make the fight at a catchweight of 143/144...
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After seeing the fight against Oscar and how strong Pac looked as a Welter, why couldn't he beat Cotto at 147?

That's the general assumption that PAC can't beat Cotto at 147...
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[Quinito]

People are now using the odlh fight why pac should fight cotto at 147. But they seem to ignore the fact that pac started fighting at 106.

[generalbulldog]

People are now using the odlh fight why pac should fight cotto at 147. But they seem to ignore the fact that pac started fighting at 106.

What's your point? Roberto Duran started his career at 122, but that didnt' stop him from being a jr. middleweight and middleweight champion. Roy Jones JR. started his career at 154 and that didn't stop him from being heavyweight champion.

Stop with the excuses for catch weights. It seems like only Pac fans are defending catch weights almost everyone else disapproves of it.

[bzkfn]

If PAC and Cotto will agree to fight at a catchweight of 143, do you think there could be some group who can successfully protest that this fight should not happen at that catchweight??

No people will just accept it like all the other crap in Boxing (like the WBA).

Now I won't criticize Pacman for fighting Oscar at 147 because you can't expect Manny to jump 3 weight classes and meet him at 154, but for the Cotto fight where it's 1 weight class and Pacman in my opinion has a good shot of beating Cotto then fight him at 147, fighting someone that's weight drain is a very cowardly move. Don't make the fight if you think you can't beat an opponent at their best with your boxing skills. The fight if made at a catchweight is a farce.

Superb post. Maybe I was a little overly critical of the Oscar fight before, because he at least fought he at an actual weightclass limit and to be fair to Pacquiao, I didn't give him a prayer. But even at 147 against Cotto he'd be considered the favourite. He has fought at 147 before and he put on a clinic. Why can't he do it for Cotto or Mosley?

[XaduBoxer]

If PAC and Cotto will agree to fight at a catchweight of 143, do you think there could be some group who can successfully protest that this fight should not happen at that catchweight??

No people will just accept it like all the other crap in Boxing (like the WBA).

You're absolutely right, people will accept the fight... happy that the fight was made... buy tickets... buy PPVs... and enjoy the fight...

So what's the fuzz all about??
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[bzkfn]

If PAC and Cotto will agree to fight at a catchweight of 143, do you think there could be some group who can successfully protest that this fight should not happen at that catchweight??

No people will just accept it like all the other crap in Boxing (like the WBA).

You're absolutely right, people will accept the fight... happy that the fight was made... buy tickets... buy PPVs... and enjoy the fight...

So what's the fuzz all about??
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People accept it because there is too much money involved to change things. It doesn't make it right though.