How is Donaire ahead of Williams, Haye, Dawson etc?

[Kev]

- Knocking out the feared multi-division, multi-titled Vic Darchinyan to a chicken dance inside 5 rounds is the main reason I think...

- Then knocking out 3 top contenders (with 2 undefeated) in Maldonado, Mthalane and Raul "Cobra" Martinez...

- He is highly avoided that's why he's having difficulties making fights...

- His last 5 fights were all stoppages ...

- Has not lost a fight in 8 years and on a 19 fights winning streak...

That's impressive to me aside from him being considered as the total package, an excellent combination of boxing skills, speed, power and solid chin... He boxes very good, very smart and ends fights with a KO...
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This is exactly my point Xadu, Darchinyan WASN'T a multi weight world champ when he fough Donaire. His most impressive wins against Mijares and Arce came after that loss, so why is Donaire getting credit for them.

The fact is, and its undisputable imo if Mijares or Arce would have spanked Darchinyan then Donaire would not be in the top 10 let alone 7th as he would only have beaten a decent but not special belt holder in Vic Darchinyan.

His own acomplishments arn't what have got him into the p4p he's just rode in on the back of Darchinyans coat tails.

It's always interesting to me too that in the little divisions beating an undefeated (usually a part timer with barely 10 fights) is seen as a great thing, whereas in the higher divisions where we actually know who these contenders are a win over an undefeated can mean virtually nothing as we just dismiss them.

I clearly understood your point My Master, My Lord... And my point is Nonito's win over Darchinyan is so HUGE that the only things to get around that are; Darchinyan avenging his KO loss to Donaire or Donaire losing to another boxer... It doesn't happen yet so if you highly ranked Darchinyan, Donaire will always be higher than him unless those things I've mentioned above does happens...

To demonstrate how HUGE that win is, I'm confident if Donaire will fight Mijares, Arce, Kirilov and you can add Montiel and Darchinyan himself, Donaire will be the favorite to win in each of this match-ups... That's how people at The Ring highly regard Donaire... Only that Donaire was avoided and he didn't got the chance to fight these boxers...
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Yep but imo they have all been vastly overratted to start with

Mijares was NEVER p4p. I shouted and moaned about it and told everyone he was overratted but people like ICB went on to say he would rule the flyweight scene for years to come, he was brilliant etc. He wasn't and never was. He beat Arce who is basically the flyweight Arturo Gatti and that's it.

Kirilov isn't anywhere near p4p, neither is Arce. Montiel has done more than Donaire imo and I wouldnt have him p4p either.

[XaduBoxer]

This is exactly my point Xadu, Darchinyan WASN'T a multi weight world champ when he fough Donaire. His most impressive wins against Mijares and Arce came after that loss, so why is Donaire getting credit for them.

The fact is, and its undisputable imo if Mijares or Arce would have spanked Darchinyan then Donaire would not be in the top 10 let alone 7th as he would only have beaten a decent but not special belt holder in Vic Darchinyan.

His own acomplishments arn't what have got him into the p4p he's just rode in on the back of Darchinyans coat tails.

It's always interesting to me too that in the little divisions beating an undefeated (usually a part timer with barely 10 fights) is seen as a great thing, whereas in the higher divisions where we actually know who these contenders are a win over an undefeated can mean virtually nothing as we just dismiss them.

I clearly understood your point My Master, My Lord... And my point is Nonito's win over Darchinyan is so HUGE that the only things to get around that are; Darchinyan avenging his KO loss to Donaire or Donaire losing to another boxer... It doesn't happen yet so if you highly ranked Darchinyan, Donaire will always be higher than him unless those things I've mentioned above does happens...

To demonstrate how HUGE that win is, I'm confident if Donaire will fight Mijares, Arce, Kirilov and you can add Montiel and Darchinyan himself, Donaire will be the favorite to win in each of this match-ups... That's how people at The Ring highly regard Donaire... Only that Donaire was avoided and he didn't got the chance to fight these boxers...
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Yep but imo they have all been vastly overratted to start with

Mijares was NEVER p4p. I shouted and moaned about it and told everyone he was overratted but people like ICB went on to say he would rule the flyweight scene for years to come, he was brilliant etc. He wasn't and never was. He beat Arce who is basically the flyweight Arturo Gatti and that's it.

Kirilov isn't anywhere near p4p, neither is Arce. Montiel has done more than Donaire imo and I wouldnt have him p4p either.

That's it... If you accept that Donaire will be the favorite over Darchinyan (rematch), Mijares, Arce, Kirilov and even Montiel then I think you also believe that Donaire will defeat these guys just like what Darchinyan did...

I know there's a big difference being considered a favorite than what's the actual fight outcome coz sometimes upsets do happened but having Donaire as the favorite to defeat these guys means a very big thing...
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[ICB]

This is exactly my point Xadu, Darchinyan WASN'T a multi weight world champ when he fough Donaire. His most impressive wins against Mijares and Arce came after that loss, so why is Donaire getting credit for them.

The fact is, and its undisputable imo if Mijares or Arce would have spanked Darchinyan then Donaire would not be in the top 10 let alone 7th as he would only have beaten a decent but not special belt holder in Vic Darchinyan.

His own acomplishments arn't what have got him into the p4p he's just rode in on the back of Darchinyans coat tails.

It's always interesting to me too that in the little divisions beating an undefeated (usually a part timer with barely 10 fights) is seen as a great thing, whereas in the higher divisions where we actually know who these contenders are a win over an undefeated can mean virtually nothing as we just dismiss them.

I clearly understood your point My Master, My Lord... And my point is Nonito's win over Darchinyan is so HUGE that the only things to get around that are; Darchinyan avenging his KO loss to Donaire or Donaire losing to another boxer... It doesn't happen yet so if you highly ranked Darchinyan, Donaire will always be higher than him unless those things I've mentioned above does happens...

To demonstrate how HUGE that win is, I'm confident if Donaire will fight Mijares, Arce, Kirilov and you can add Montiel and Darchinyan himself, Donaire will be the favorite to win in each of this match-ups... That's how people at The Ring highly regard Donaire... Only that Donaire was avoided and he didn't got the chance to fight these boxers...
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Yep but imo they have all been vastly overratted to start with

Mijares was NEVER p4p. I shouted and moaned about it and told everyone he was overratted but people like ICB went on to say he would rule the flyweight scene for years to come, he was brilliant etc. He wasn't and never was. He beat Arce who is basically the flyweight Arturo Gatti and that's it.

Kirilov isn't anywhere near p4p, neither is Arce. Montiel has done more than Donaire imo and I wouldnt have him p4p either.

I still think Christian Mijares is a very good fighter, people sometimes get it wrong you have been wrong in the past aswell. I just think Vic Darchinyan's messy unorthodox boxing.

Spoiled Christian Mijares good technical boxing skills. And now he is ruined fighter IMO.

As for your thread i don't think David Haye is anywhere close to the top 10, who has he beaten ? Jean Marc Mormeck is a good fighter. But he isn't nothing special by any means.

And Enzo Maccarinelli is a mediocre fighter with a big punch at best, there his two best wins hardly anything really worth mentioning.

I agree with Paul Williams he's beat Carlos Quintana, Verno Phillips, Winky Wright. Who are all very good names and he's beaten those fighters at 3 different weightclasses, which is even more impressive.

Juan Manuel Lopez deserves a mention he dominated Gerry Penelosa, who had never been stopped in 62 fights. And had never been beaten convincingly.

And despite people calling Daniel Ponce De Leon one dimensional, rubbish, ETC. He was still a very high rated fighter who had never been stopped. I mean Juan Manuel Lopez stopped him in just over 2 minutes for crying out loud.

Chad Dawson also has an impressive resume Tomasz Adamek, Glen Johnson, Antonio Tarver x2, Eric Harding.

I think Paul Williams, Chad Dawson, Juan Manuel Lopez, could all possibly make the top 10. I have no idea why not even one of them is in the top 10 P4P.