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    Default Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao

    Pacster vs Floyd and Pacster vs Cotto are BOTH great fights.

    I doubt people will hate on Cotto considering Pacster will be favourite to beat him, whereas Floyd will be favourite to beat Pacster.

    Pacster KO 6 Cotto. Fact.
    Pacster SD Floyd. Fact.
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    Default Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Pacster vs Floyd and Pacster vs Cotto are BOTH great fights.

    I doubt people will hate on Cotto considering Pacster will be favourite to beat him, whereas Floyd will be favourite to beat Pacster.

    Pacster KO 6 Cotto. Fact.
    Pacster SD Floyd. Fact.
    PBF TKOs Pac FACT
    Cotto TKOs Pac FACT


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    Default Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Pacster vs Floyd and Pacster vs Cotto are BOTH great fights.

    I doubt people will hate on Cotto considering Pacster will be favourite to beat him, whereas Floyd will be favourite to beat Pacster.

    Pacster KO 6 Cotto. Fact.
    Pacster SD Floyd. Fact.
    PBF TKOs Pac FACT
    Cotto TKOs Pac FACT

    I meant Floyd SD Pacster. Fact.

    Pacster definitely KO's Cotto. You see Cotto the weekend? He will look like he's fighting in treacle compared to Pacster. Pacster will beat him to a pulp inside 6. Fact.
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    Default Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao

    People won't hate on Cotto because he's consistently taken on dangerous opponents who other people haven't wanted to fight, and therefore he deserves the benefit of the doubt on his choice of opponents.

    Well Cotto has Mosley, Berto, P. Williams, maybe even Mayweather, but he accepts a fight from the smaller Pacquiao.
    He's already fought Mosley, and I'd challenge anyone to prove that Andre Berto is more dangerous than Pacquiao. Williams is a middleweight.

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    Default Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Pacster vs Floyd and Pacster vs Cotto are BOTH great fights.

    I doubt people will hate on Cotto considering Pacster will be favourite to beat him, whereas Floyd will be favourite to beat Pacster.

    Pacster KO 6 Cotto. Fact.
    Pacster SD Floyd. Fact.
    PBF TKOs Pac FACT
    Cotto TKOs Pac FACT

    I meant Floyd SD Pacster. Fact.

    Pacster definitely KO's Cotto. You see Cotto the weekend? He will look like he's fighting in treacle compared to Pacster. Pacster will beat him to a pulp inside 6. Fact.
    I'd agree with the Floyd win...

    As for Cotto, I'd alsoi have to agree, he's shown nothing to suggest he could catch Pacquaio
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    Default Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Pacster vs Floyd and Pacster vs Cotto are BOTH great fights.

    I doubt people will hate on Cotto considering Pacster will be favourite to beat him, whereas Floyd will be favourite to beat Pacster.

    Pacster KO 6 Cotto. Fact.
    Pacster SD Floyd. Fact.
    PBF TKOs Pac FACT
    Cotto TKOs Pac FACT

    I meant Floyd SD Pacster. Fact.

    Pacster definitely KO's Cotto. You see Cotto the weekend? He will look like he's fighting in treacle compared to Pacster. Pacster will beat him to a pulp inside 6. Fact.
    I think that Cotto has, first, to find a better trainer than his nutritionist.
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    Default Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao

    i think the point is as well that cotto has fought, mosley and margarito and mayweather has refused to take a fight with all 3 of those guys, also cotto has fought a couple of boxer who beat him in the ama, people value it when a fighter willing takes tough fights...............also it was pac-man who told arum he wants cotto and cottos said yes......if you take tough fights, lay it all on the line, even after loseing you take a tough hard to look good against man like clottey whille also being a well manner alround goodguy its pretty hard to dislike a fighter like that................mayweathers a rude, arrogant, cocky flashy.....and full of excusesing as to not fight cotto, mosley, margarito, and pac-man....its very easy not to like him

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    Default Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Pacster vs Floyd and Pacster vs Cotto are BOTH great fights.

    I doubt people will hate on Cotto considering Pacster will be favourite to beat him, whereas Floyd will be favourite to beat Pacster.

    Pacster KO 6 Cotto. Fact.
    Pacster SD Floyd. Fact.
    PBF TKOs Pac FACT
    Cotto TKOs Pac FACT

    I meant Floyd SD Pacster. Fact.

    Pacster definitely KO's Cotto. You see Cotto the weekend? He will look like he's fighting in treacle compared to Pacster. Pacster will beat him to a pulp inside 6. Fact.
    I actually expected better from you. How stupid of me

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    Default Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Pacster vs Floyd and Pacster vs Cotto are BOTH great fights.

    I doubt people will hate on Cotto considering Pacster will be favourite to beat him, whereas Floyd will be favourite to beat Pacster.

    Pacster KO 6 Cotto. Fact.
    Pacster SD Floyd. Fact.
    PBF TKOs Pac FACT
    Cotto TKOs Pac FACT

    I meant Floyd SD Pacster. Fact.

    Pacster definitely KO's Cotto. You see Cotto the weekend? He will look like he's fighting in treacle compared to Pacster. Pacster will beat him to a pulp inside 6. Fact.
    I know your being sarcastic but im not sure if you still think Manny Pacquiao, will actually beat Miguel Cotto so i'll reply anyway.

    Joshua Clottey stood straight in front of Miguel Cotto, and is way bigger than Manny Pacquiao.

    Manny Pacquiao would be on the move constantly, he wouldn't stand his ground vs Miguel Cotto. He would rely on his footwork and speed.

    Now i think Manny Pacquiao is a really good fighter, but i think he's being a bit overrated here.

    Ricky Hatton was on the slide yes it was an impressive victory, and it wouldn't of mattered what Ricky Hatton turned up.

    But still Ricky Hatton hasn't been the same since the Kostya Tszyu fight, ODLH was weight drained and rubbish. He hadn't fought at Welterweight in god knows how many years. And David Diaz is just mediocre.

    I don't see how any of these fights prove that Manny Pacquiao, stands any chance against Floyd Mayweather Jr or Miguel Cotto. Or that Manny Pacquiao stands a chance against any top Welterweight, he hasn't fought a live-fighter at Welterweight yet.

    Floyd Mayweather Jr still totally outboxes Manny Pacquiao, by atleast 8 rounds to 4. Anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr will do better. And Miguel Cotto will be too physical and too strong, and his body shots will be the key especially the way Manny Pacquiao leaves his body exposed, and he'll stop Manny Pacquiao late on.
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    Default Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao

    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post

    PBF TKOs Pac FACT
    Cotto TKOs Pac FACT

    I meant Floyd SD Pacster. Fact.

    Pacster definitely KO's Cotto. You see Cotto the weekend? He will look like he's fighting in treacle compared to Pacster. Pacster will beat him to a pulp inside 6. Fact.
    I know your being sarcastic but im not sure if you still think Manny Pacquiao, will actually beat Miguel Cotto so i'll reply anyway.

    Joshua Clottey stood straight in front of Miguel Cotto, and is way bigger than Manny Pacquiao.

    Manny Pacquiao would be on the move constantly, he wouldn't stand his ground vs Miguel Cotto. He would rely on his footwork and speed.

    Now i think Manny Pacquiao is a really good fighter, but i think he's being a bit overrated here.

    Ricky Hatton was on the slide yes it was an impressive victory, and it wouldn't of mattered what Ricky Hatton turned up.

    But still Ricky Hatton hasn't been the same since the Kostya Tszyu fight, ODLH was weight drained and rubbish. He hadn't fought at Welterweight in god knows how many years. And David Diaz is just mediocre.

    I don't see how any of these fights prove that Manny Pacquiao, stands any chance against Floyd Mayweather Jr or Miguel Cotto. Or that Manny Pacquiao stands a chance against any top Welterweight, he hasn't fought a live-fighter at Welterweight yet.

    Floyd Mayweather Jr still totally outboxes Manny Pacquiao, by atleast 8 rounds to 4. Anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr will do better. And Miguel Cotto will be too physical and too strong, and his body shots will be the key especially the way Manny Pacquiao leaves his body exposed, and he'll stop Manny Pacquiao late on.
    That fact that Pacster would use his speed movement is the reason he'd KO Cotto.

    When he KO's Cotto, you will be making excuses for that win too.. "Cotto was never the same after Margarito" .. "Cotto was on the slide" .. "Cotto was always chinny" .. "Cotto was weight drained"

    Excuses, excuses, excuses. You can make excuses for every fighters loss.

    IF Cotto beats Pacster it means Pacster was too small. Fact.
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    Default Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post

    I meant Floyd SD Pacster. Fact.

    Pacster definitely KO's Cotto. You see Cotto the weekend? He will look like he's fighting in treacle compared to Pacster. Pacster will beat him to a pulp inside 6. Fact.
    I know your being sarcastic but im not sure if you still think Manny Pacquiao, will actually beat Miguel Cotto so i'll reply anyway.

    Joshua Clottey stood straight in front of Miguel Cotto, and is way bigger than Manny Pacquiao.

    Manny Pacquiao would be on the move constantly, he wouldn't stand his ground vs Miguel Cotto. He would rely on his footwork and speed.

    Now i think Manny Pacquiao is a really good fighter, but i think he's being a bit overrated here.

    Ricky Hatton was on the slide yes it was an impressive victory, and it wouldn't of mattered what Ricky Hatton turned up.

    But still Ricky Hatton hasn't been the same since the Kostya Tszyu fight, ODLH was weight drained and rubbish. He hadn't fought at Welterweight in god knows how many years. And David Diaz is just mediocre.

    I don't see how any of these fights prove that Manny Pacquiao, stands any chance against Floyd Mayweather Jr or Miguel Cotto. Or that Manny Pacquiao stands a chance against any top Welterweight, he hasn't fought a live-fighter at Welterweight yet.

    Floyd Mayweather Jr still totally outboxes Manny Pacquiao, by atleast 8 rounds to 4. Anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr will do better. And Miguel Cotto will be too physical and too strong, and his body shots will be the key especially the way Manny Pacquiao leaves his body exposed, and he'll stop Manny Pacquiao late on.
    That fact that Pacster would use his speed movement is the reason he'd KO Cotto.

    When he KO's Cotto, you will be making excuses for that win too.. "Cotto was never the same after Margarito" .. "Cotto was on the slide" .. "Cotto was always chinny" .. "Cotto was weight drained"

    Excuses, excuses, excuses. You can make excuses for every fighters loss.

    IF Cotto beats Pacster it means Pacster was too small. Fact.
    No i wouldn't Miguel Cotto is still very much the same fighter, but i think the excuses above are valied.

    Because pretty much everyone agrees ODLH was a weight drained punchbag, and alot of fighters would of beaten that version of ODLH.

    And i think everyone agrees Ricky Hatton hasn't been the same since Kostya Tszyu fight, and people have been saying that even before the Manny Pacquiao fight.

    Carlos Quintana may not be as good as Manny Pacquiao, but he is a slick fighter with good movement. Yet Miguel Cotto soon caught up to him.

    I haven't seen any performance from Manny Pacquiao that leads me to believe, he would stand a chance against Miguel Cotto or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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    Default Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao

    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post

    I know your being sarcastic but im not sure if you still think Manny Pacquiao, will actually beat Miguel Cotto so i'll reply anyway.

    Joshua Clottey stood straight in front of Miguel Cotto, and is way bigger than Manny Pacquiao.

    Manny Pacquiao would be on the move constantly, he wouldn't stand his ground vs Miguel Cotto. He would rely on his footwork and speed.

    Now i think Manny Pacquiao is a really good fighter, but i think he's being a bit overrated here.

    Ricky Hatton was on the slide yes it was an impressive victory, and it wouldn't of mattered what Ricky Hatton turned up.

    But still Ricky Hatton hasn't been the same since the Kostya Tszyu fight, ODLH was weight drained and rubbish. He hadn't fought at Welterweight in god knows how many years. And David Diaz is just mediocre.

    I don't see how any of these fights prove that Manny Pacquiao, stands any chance against Floyd Mayweather Jr or Miguel Cotto. Or that Manny Pacquiao stands a chance against any top Welterweight, he hasn't fought a live-fighter at Welterweight yet.

    Floyd Mayweather Jr still totally outboxes Manny Pacquiao, by atleast 8 rounds to 4. Anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr will do better. And Miguel Cotto will be too physical and too strong, and his body shots will be the key especially the way Manny Pacquiao leaves his body exposed, and he'll stop Manny Pacquiao late on.
    That fact that Pacster would use his speed movement is the reason he'd KO Cotto.

    When he KO's Cotto, you will be making excuses for that win too.. "Cotto was never the same after Margarito" .. "Cotto was on the slide" .. "Cotto was always chinny" .. "Cotto was weight drained"

    Excuses, excuses, excuses. You can make excuses for every fighters loss.

    IF Cotto beats Pacster it means Pacster was too small. Fact.
    No i wouldn't Miguel Cotto is still very much the same fighter, but i think the excuses above are valied.

    Because pretty much everyone agrees ODLH was a weight drained punchbag, and alot of fighters would of beaten that version of ODLH.

    And i think everyone agrees Ricky Hatton hasn't been the same since Kostya Tszyu fight, and people have been saying that even before the Manny Pacquiao fight.

    Carlos Quintana may not be as good as Manny Pacquiao, but he is a slick fighter with good movement. Yet Miguel Cotto soon caught up to him.

    I haven't seen any performance from Manny Pacquiao that leads me to believe, he would stand a chance against Miguel Cotto or Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    Pacster would have beat Hatton at any time of Hatton's career. Watch the Magee fight.

    Oscar was a shriveled mess, yes, but that doesn't mean any fighter would have slaughtered him the way Pacster did.

    You're the excuses king, ICB, don't try and make out you wont be making excuses.
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    Default Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao

    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post

    PBF TKOs Pac FACT
    Cotto TKOs Pac FACT

    I meant Floyd SD Pacster. Fact.

    Pacster definitely KO's Cotto. You see Cotto the weekend? He will look like he's fighting in treacle compared to Pacster. Pacster will beat him to a pulp inside 6. Fact.
    I know your being sarcastic but im not sure if you still think Manny Pacquiao, will actually beat Miguel Cotto so i'll reply anyway.

    Joshua Clottey stood straight in front of Miguel Cotto, and is way bigger than Manny Pacquiao.

    Manny Pacquiao would be on the move constantly, he wouldn't stand his ground vs Miguel Cotto. He would rely on his footwork and speed.

    Now i think Manny Pacquiao is a really good fighter, but i think he's being a bit overrated here.

    Ricky Hatton was on the slide yes it was an impressive victory, and it wouldn't of mattered what Ricky Hatton turned up.

    But still Ricky Hatton hasn't been the same since the Kostya Tszyu fight, ODLH was weight drained and rubbish. He hadn't fought at Welterweight in god knows how many years. And David Diaz is just mediocre.

    I don't see how any of these fights prove that Manny Pacquiao, stands any chance against Floyd Mayweather Jr or Miguel Cotto. Or that Manny Pacquiao stands a chance against any top Welterweight, he hasn't fought a live-fighter at Welterweight yet.

    Floyd Mayweather Jr still totally outboxes Manny Pacquiao, by atleast 8 rounds to 4. Anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr will do better. And Miguel Cotto will be too physical and too strong, and his body shots will be the key especially the way Manny Pacquiao leaves his body exposed, and he'll stop Manny Pacquiao late on.
    JMM style suits him way better againt southpaws then Mayweather's, we've seen Mayweather not look great against Zab Judah and Demarcus Corley.

    Also I think you are way over estimating Cotto, he's the guy who went life and death with Ricardo Torres, almost was ko'ed by Demarcus Corley, and he was stunned several times against Zab Judah. Manny will beat Cotto quite badly MARK my words. I don't even see it being super competitive, no way can Cotto close the gap quick enough, you have to be close to land a solid left hook if you are incapable of leaping in(which COtto is), and Manny will be moving away from that left hook all night, he won't allow the slow footed Cotto to corner him, and he will land at will against Cotto because Cotto has an average defense in overall(sometimes he does amazing things defensively, but generally he is easy to hit), he can be hurt (say what you want but Manny hurts people that people wouldn't expect him to, and Cotto definitely isn't the guy with the toughest chin Manny has ever faced).

    ALl I've seen from you ICB are excuses of why Manny doesn't deserve credit for beating Hatton or Oscar De La Hoya, but Oscar looked fine against Forbes, sure he was focused on defense, but his offensive looked good at 150, that is three pounds above where he fought Manny, and sure you can make a legitimate excuse that Oscar was weight drained, but great fighters still are tough to beat even if they are facing adversity, and Manny dominated him. Not only that but Manny destroyed Hatton in 2 rounds, and you can't say Hatton was way past his prime because thats not true, he looked as good against Paulie as he did against anyone near his "prime".
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    Default Re: Why people won't hate on Miguel Cotto for fighting Manny Pacquiao

    It doesn't matter if 150 pounds is 'only 3 pounds' away though mate.

    There has to be a single point where it becomes to much, a pound... an ounce... what ever.

    He sure as hell shouldn't have been rehydrating with an IVF drip and barely managing to rehydrate at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
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    I meant Floyd SD Pacster. Fact.

    Pacster definitely KO's Cotto. You see Cotto the weekend? He will look like he's fighting in treacle compared to Pacster. Pacster will beat him to a pulp inside 6. Fact.
    I know your being sarcastic but im not sure if you still think Manny Pacquiao, will actually beat Miguel Cotto so i'll reply anyway.

    Joshua Clottey stood straight in front of Miguel Cotto, and is way bigger than Manny Pacquiao.

    Manny Pacquiao would be on the move constantly, he wouldn't stand his ground vs Miguel Cotto. He would rely on his footwork and speed.

    Now i think Manny Pacquiao is a really good fighter, but i think he's being a bit overrated here.

    Ricky Hatton was on the slide yes it was an impressive victory, and it wouldn't of mattered what Ricky Hatton turned up.

    But still Ricky Hatton hasn't been the same since the Kostya Tszyu fight, ODLH was weight drained and rubbish. He hadn't fought at Welterweight in god knows how many years. And David Diaz is just mediocre.

    I don't see how any of these fights prove that Manny Pacquiao, stands any chance against Floyd Mayweather Jr or Miguel Cotto. Or that Manny Pacquiao stands a chance against any top Welterweight, he hasn't fought a live-fighter at Welterweight yet.

    Floyd Mayweather Jr still totally outboxes Manny Pacquiao, by atleast 8 rounds to 4. Anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr will do better. And Miguel Cotto will be too physical and too strong, and his body shots will be the key especially the way Manny Pacquiao leaves his body exposed, and he'll stop Manny Pacquiao late on.
    JMM style suits him way better againt southpaws then Mayweather's, we've seen Mayweather not look great against Zab Judah and Demarcus Corley.

    Also I think you are way over estimating Cotto, he's the guy who went life and death with Ricardo Torres, almost was ko'ed by Demarcus Corley, and he was stunned several times against Zab Judah. Manny will beat Cotto quite badly MARK my words. I don't even see it being super competitive, no way can Cotto close the gap quick enough, you have to be close to land a solid left hook if you are incapable of leaping in(which COtto is), and Manny will be moving away from that left hook all night, he won't allow the slow footed Cotto to corner him, and he will land at will against Cotto because Cotto has an average defense in overall(sometimes he does amazing things defensively, but generally he is easy to hit), he can be hurt (say what you want but Manny hurts people that people wouldn't expect him to, and Cotto definitely isn't the guy with the toughest chin Manny has ever faced).

    ALl I've seen from you ICB are excuses of why Manny doesn't deserve credit for beating Hatton or Oscar De La Hoya, but Oscar looked fine against Forbes, sure he was focused on defense, but his offensive looked good at 150, that is three pounds above where he fought Manny, and sure you can make a legitimate excuse that Oscar was weight drained, but great fighters still are tough to beat even if they are facing adversity, and Manny dominated him. Not only that but Manny destroyed Hatton in 2 rounds, and you can't say Hatton was way past his prime because thats not true, he looked as good against Paulie as he did against anyone near his "prime".
    Miguel Cotto was weight drained against Torres, Corley, that was at 140. And why are you giving Miguel Cotto so much flack for having a little trouble against Zab Judah ?

    Floyd Mayweather Jr struggled just as much against Zab Judah in the first few rounds, and Floyd Mayweather Jr was actually dropped.

    Miguel Cotto only lost a few rounds and was only stunned a few times for a split second, it was still a one sided whooping so i don't see your point.

    I gave him credit for beating Ricky Hatton, Ricky Hatton was still good but he was still on the slide. He hasn't been at his best since Kostya Tszyu.

    You can't judge him in the Paul Malignaggi fight, because Paul Malignaggi just kept clinching and didn't even fight after the 2nd round, when he felt the power of Ricky Hatton.

    And again i don't see how beating Ricky Hatton, makes his chances any greater against Miguel Cotto or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

    Come on ODLH wasn't good in the Steve Forbes fight, everyone expected ODLH to blow away Steve Forbes. ODLH was marked up and lost rounds which he shouldn't have. If ODLH was in his prime he would of blown away Steve Forbes.

    ODLH was 145 pounds against Manny Pacquiao not 147 pounds, secondly he hardly rehydrated any weight which means he was weight-drained.

    You don't have to make any excuse its a fact he was weight-drained. He hasn't been that low in weight since 1997.

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