Calzaghe WILL fight again for £10/$16 million

[Britkid]

I had Bernard Hopkins winning by 1 point, too much was made of the amount of punches Joe Calzaghe landed.

It was obvious before the fight he would land more punches

Is that not like saying, it was pretty obvious before the fight Tyson was going to knock out Julius Francis, so if he did, it should not count?

[ICB]

I had Bernard Hopkins winning by 1 point, too much was made of the amount of punches Joe Calzaghe landed.

It was obvious before the fight he would land more punches

Is that not like saying, it was pretty obvious before the fight Tyson was going to knock out Julius Francis, so if he did, it should not count?

I don't really get what your saying BK, if you read my whole post. I said i knew Joe Calzaghe was going to land more punches.

But i expected him to land more effective punches than he did. I know he slaps alot but i atleast expected him to land more clean punches than he did.

Thats why he lost the fight IMO, Bernard Hopkins landed the better more effective punches. He was also able to get Joe Calzaghe out of his rhythm for quite alot of the fight, and he also scored the knockdown which is why i think Bernard Hopkins edged it.

[Britkid]

I had Bernard Hopkins winning by 1 point, too much was made of the amount of punches Joe Calzaghe landed.

It was obvious before the fight he would land more punches

Is that not like saying, it was pretty obvious before the fight Tyson was going to knock out Julius Francis, so if he did, it should not count?

I don't really get what your saying BK, if you read my whole post. I said i knew Joe Calzaghe was going to land more punches.

But i expected him to land more effective punches than he did. I know he slaps a lot but i atleast expected him to land more clean punches than he did.

Thats why he lost the fight IMO, Bernard Hopkins landed the better more effective punches. He was also able to get Joe Calzaghe out of his rhythm for quite alot of the fight, and he also scored the knockdown which is why i think Bernard Hopkins edged it.

Calzaghe won because he was more crafty than the King of Craft Hopkins.

Hopkins was fighting in his home country so was always going to get any benefit of doubt the judges had.

Calzaghe out smarted him, by looking the busier and more spectacular, even if all the punches were not landing correctly or indeed if they were landing at all!

Hopkins just did not have the pace of the fight right and Joe took advantage.

For an American to moan he was robbed by the judges fighting a Brit in the States is kind of at least pushing, if not out right taking the piss!

[ICB]

Is that not like saying, it was pretty obvious before the fight Tyson was going to knock out Julius Francis, so if he did, it should not count?

I don't really get what your saying BK, if you read my whole post. I said i knew Joe Calzaghe was going to land more punches.

But i expected him to land more effective punches than he did. I know he slaps a lot but i atleast expected him to land more clean punches than he did.

Thats why he lost the fight IMO, Bernard Hopkins landed the better more effective punches. He was also able to get Joe Calzaghe out of his rhythm for quite alot of the fight, and he also scored the knockdown which is why i think Bernard Hopkins edged it.

Calzaghe won because he was more crafty than the King of Craft Hopkins.

Hopkins was fighting in his home country so was always going to get any benefit of doubt the judges had.

Calzaghe out smarted him, by looking the busier and more spectacular, even if all the punches were not landing correctly or indeed if they were landing at all!

Hopkins just did not have the pace of the fight right and Joe took advantage.

For an American to moan he was robbed by the judges fighting a Brit in the States is kind of at least pushing, if not out right taking the piss!

Joe Calzaghe more crafty than Bernard Hopkins ? i don't think so somehow. Bernard Hopkins was making Joe Calzaghe miss all night long. And he was able to smartly gain time to recover in the late rounds by being very crafty.

I don't really see how just throwing non effective punches, is out-smarting Bernard Hopkins. Joe Calzaghe always throws alot of punches, what he did in this fight was no difference to what he has done in the past.

I think Bernard Hopkins was out smarting Joe Calzaghe by gaining time, making him off balance an clinching to get Joe Calzaghe out of his rhythm.

You just said it yourself Joe Calzaghe missed alot of punches, and the ones he did land were not effective.

So why did you score the fight for Joe Calzaghe then ? because with that logic you would of had Sam Soliman beating Winky Wright, because he threw 1000 punches right ?

Im not really getting what your saying BK, because all you've proved to me so far is that you only thought Joe Calzaghe won based on workrate. But boxing is far more complicated than just letting your arms go as you know.

Bernard Hopkins was excellent defensively, he was able to make it his kind of fight. For a majority of the fight. He landed the cleaner more effective punches, and he scored a knockdown. So shouldn't Bernard Hopkins be credited for all the things above ?

As for your last comment im not sure if your on about me, but im English and im from London. And i never said the fight was a robbery. I had Bernard Hopkins winning by 1 point, i just didn't like Joe Calzaghe's work. It was sloppy and his punches were ineffective.

[Britkid]

I don't really get what your saying BK, if you read my whole post. I said i knew Joe Calzaghe was going to land more punches.

But i expected him to land more effective punches than he did. I know he slaps a lot but i atleast expected him to land more clean punches than he did.

Thats why he lost the fight IMO, Bernard Hopkins landed the better more effective punches. He was also able to get Joe Calzaghe out of his rhythm for quite alot of the fight, and he also scored the knockdown which is why i think Bernard Hopkins edged it.

Calzaghe won because he was more crafty than the King of Craft Hopkins.

Hopkins was fighting in his home country so was always going to get any benefit of doubt the judges had.

Calzaghe out smarted him, by looking the busier and more spectacular, even if all the punches were not landing correctly or indeed if they were landing at all!

Hopkins just did not have the pace of the fight right and Joe took advantage.

For an American to moan he was robbed by the judges fighting a Brit in the States is kind of at least pushing, if not out right taking the piss!

Joe Calzaghe more crafty than Bernard Hopkins ? i don't think so somehow. Bernard Hopkins was making Joe Calzaghe miss all night long. And he was able to smartly gain time to recover in the late rounds by being very crafty.

Well then how comes Hopkins did not get the decision? Calzaghe outsmarted him, he knew what the judges wanted and Hopkins fought the wrong fight, the scores say Joe was too crafty for him.

Hopkins nine times out of ten delivers what is needed, but Joe was too good for him and still won despite losing a 10/8 round.

Luckily for Hopkins, Joe is one of the few with at least the equal of Hopkins boxing brain, because Calzaghe is that good, not Hopkins that bad.

Calzaghe went to America and beat their best 175lber IMO. What is more, he got off the floor to win on points, that is simply brilliant, a virtually unheard of feat for a Brit in the Americas.

[ICB]

Calzaghe won because he was more crafty than the King of Craft Hopkins.

Hopkins was fighting in his home country so was always going to get any benefit of doubt the judges had.

Calzaghe out smarted him, by looking the busier and more spectacular, even if all the punches were not landing correctly or indeed if they were landing at all!

Hopkins just did not have the pace of the fight right and Joe took advantage.

For an American to moan he was robbed by the judges fighting a Brit in the States is kind of at least pushing, if not out right taking the piss!

Joe Calzaghe more crafty than Bernard Hopkins ? i don't think so somehow. Bernard Hopkins was making Joe Calzaghe miss all night long. And he was able to smartly gain time to recover in the late rounds by being very crafty.

Well then how comes Hopkins did not get the decision? Calzaghe outsmarted him, he knew what the judges wanted and Hopkins fought the wrong fight, the scores say Joe was too crafty for him.

Hopkins nine times out of ten delivers what is needed, but Joe was too good for him and still won despite losing a 10/8 round.

Luckily for Hopkins, Joe is one of the few with at least the equal of Hopkins boxing brain, because Calzaghe is that good, not Hopkins that bad.

Calzaghe went to America and beat their best 175lber IMO. What is more, he got off the floor to win on points, that is simply brilliant, a virtually unheard of feat for a Brit in the Americas.

Bernard Hopkins lost because Las Vegas judges normally favor the aggressive fighter.

[Britkid]

Bernard Hopkins lost because Las Vegas judges normally favor the aggressive fighter.

Then why did the ring smart and crafty Hopkins not fight more aggressively. This model of Calzaghe lacks in the power department and Hopkins could easily been the aggressor if he wished.....

The truth is Calzaghe read the situation better than Hopkins and executed the better fight plan. Hopkins had everything in his favour and yet still managed to lose, like I said not because Hopkins is that bad, but because Joe is that good!

[leftylee]

Thing is Adam if Calzaghe never "Threw 10 ineffective punches" then there wouldn't have been a fight. Hopkins didn't hardly ever throw a punch and was in defensive mode all night. Calzaghe outworked and outlanded him taking a close yet clear decision.

[ICB]

Thing is Adam if Calzaghe never "Threw 10 ineffective punches" then there wouldn't have been a fight. Hopkins didn't hardly ever throw a punch and was in defensive mode all night. Calzaghe outworked and outlanded him taking a close yet clear decision.

Yes he was the aggressor but it wasn't effective aggression. Im sorry but i can't score that fight for Joe Calzaghe just based on workrate, he hardly landed an effective/clean punch all night long.