Great Technical Boxers Limited by Mentality

[ICB]

Riddick Bowe, for sure. He had all the tools and skills to be an ATG.

On some level, James Toney was limited by his mentality. As great as his career was, if he didn't struggle so much with food and at times focus he could have been even better. He never should have lost to Thazdi or Griffin. For that matter, he would have never lost to Sam Peter if he was in proper shape.

I don't think James Toney lost to Montel Griffin, the first fight was a draw James Toney done no worse than that. And James Toney for 100 percent won the rematch, he was definately on the wrong end of a bad decision in the rematch.

[LEGION]

Kid Thunder......Well actually he's limited in all aspects but mentality is definately one.

[OumaFan]

Clottey, Toney, Guzman. A guy like Viloria's maybe not a great technical boxer but he's a poster boy for mentality problems, at least until Solis.

I always thought Judah's unreached potential was a bit overdone. His skills and technical ability were always overrated IMO. He was never nearly as talented and skilled as say a Guzman.

[jon09]

Mike Tyson for sure is a very good example.

Felix Trinidad was to me never the same after Bhop.

Sam Peter will probably never recover from Vitali.

Roy Jones 2nd half of career is running on fumes and bad career choices.

Edison Miranda

Ike Ibeabuchi

[Macho]

Hi my friend Donny , good to see you , i hopes everything is well with you and your family too ..............

Well what about Hazem Hamed when was defeated by Marcos Antonio Barrera , he never returned back to fight , probably MAB frustrated him in some way i guess..................

I really liked that fight and i enjoyed...............

[donnydarkoIRL]

Hi my friend Donny , good to see you , i hopes everything is well with you and your family too ..............

Well what about Hazem Hamed when was defeated by Marcos Antonio Barrera , he never returned back to fight , probably MAB frustrated him in some way i guess..................

I really liked that fight and i enjoyed...............

Macho!
Great to see you my friend!
Everything is good here, how are you?


Yeah Naseem Hamed certainly is one, once he lost his aura of invincibility I think it shattered his own drive and self belief.

Truely great to see you again mi pana.

[BoomBoom]

Buster Douglas is an extreme case, James Tillis, Dominick Guinn to name a few heavyweights...ODLH at times was too.

[Andre]

Hi my friend Donny , good to see you , i hopes everything is well with you and your family too ..............

Well what about Hazem Hamed when was defeated by Marcos Antonio Barrera , he never returned back to fight , probably MAB frustrated him in some way i guess..................

I really liked that fight and i enjoyed...............

Macho!
Great to see you my friend!
Everything is good here, how are you?


Yeah Naseem Hamed certainly is one, once he lost his aura of invincibility I think it shattered his own drive and self belief.

Truely great to see you again mi pana.

Same happened i the same weight class to Koko from Hungary undefeated for 20 plus then ko'ed lost his world title and never even tried again once.

Tua wasnt great technically as such but always dissapointed me, recon he could of been so much more if he hadn't got so lazy with his training.

[mad_takamura]

Clottey, Toney, Guzman. A guy like Viloria's maybe not a great technical boxer but he's a poster boy for mentality problems, at least until Solis.

I always thought Judah's unreached potential was a bit overdone. His skills and technical ability were always overrated IMO. He was never nearly as talented and skilled as say a Guzman.

yep. viloria's recent trainer roberto garcia was asked, prior to his fight with solis, what will they improve in preparation for their fight with solis? he said nothing. in fact he said viloria got all the tools to be world champ again and is impressed by his boxing skills. what viloria lacks, he said, was motivation and focus. that means there's a lot of things going on to his head that's why he lost all those title fights from sosa and romero. it turns out garcia was right: it's all about the "ghost" in the head.

[Majesty]

Wladimer Klitschko

[donnydarkoIRL]

Ricky Hatton is not a great technical boxer. He's a guy with above average speed, but not a ton of skill, who made the most with what he had. If Ricky Hatton had been born in say... Ghana, and didn't have the big marketable fanbase that he got in the UK, he never would have been considered an elite fighter at any point in his career.

(On this board, I'm sure this post is going to go over about as well as a fart at church).

Ricky is a complete natural...
Given the correct guidance and had he applied his own mind to the technical aspects of the game he could have been gifted.

Thwe man was a special athlete, but he was limited by his mentality which drove him to burrow forward with little in mind.
Is this not a fighter limited by mindset?

[ICB]

Ricky Hatton is not a great technical boxer. He's a guy with above average speed, but not a ton of skill, who made the most with what he had. If Ricky Hatton had been born in say... Ghana, and didn't have the big marketable fanbase that he got in the UK, he never would have been considered an elite fighter at any point in his career.

(On this board, I'm sure this post is going to go over about as well as a fart at church).

Ricky is a complete natural...
Given the correct guidance and had he applied his own mind to the technical aspects of the game he could have been gifted.

Thwe man was a special athlete, but he was limited by his mentality which drove him to burrow forward with little in mind.
Is this not a fighter limited by mindset?

Don't really get what your saying here, i've seen plenty of Ricky Hatton fights and he has never been a technical fighter. And your comments seem to be assumptions IMO.

He's a good athlete with good speed, but how does that equal him being a technical boxer ? and even if you do consider him to be somewhat of a technical boxer. Was he a great technical boxer really ?

Technical boxers IMO are guys like James Toney, Mike McCallum, Marlon Starling, Winky Wright, ETC.

Ricky Hatton may of not had the best mentality, but he certainly was never a technical boxer and he never could be.

Ricky Hatton in his prime could be a boxer/puncher, and he could do it very well, but again he was never a technical boxer. And in his later career he certainly wasn't either. Just mostly coming forward and swarming.

[El Kabong]

Wladimer Klitschko

...yeah because being THE Heavyweight Champion of the world just isn't hitting the top of your game

Mike Tyson isn't walking through that door Majesty so why don't you go watch Butterbean or something, that's what you want right A guy who will "mix it up", a guy who "takes chances"....BOXING is hit and don't get hit, it's not a fucking Toughman competition.

I look at this thread and I read "Great Technical Boxers Limited by Mentality" which to me means "guys who had some skill but because of their mindset or some mental issues they could not achieve their potential" Wladimir Klitschko is a 3 time Heavyweight champion, he's The Ring magazine Heavyweight champion, he holds the IBF and WBO belts and just dominated the #3 ranked heavyweight in the world and you think he's limited by his mentality Maybe you think he could achieve more than he has....that's fine and dandy but there's not much left for him to do other than defend his titles vs whatever the division can throw at him. Winning 53 fights and scoring 47 stoppages vs top level competition is pretty impressive. This is not about whether you appreciate Wlad's style or like watching his fights it's about guys who reached their potential and I would say Wlad has pretty much reached his potential and therefore wouldn't belong on this list....meanwhile someone like Michael Grant WOULD be on this list.

[generalbulldog]

Wladimer Klitschko

...yeah because being THE Heavyweight Champion of the world just isn't hitting the top of your game

Mike Tyson isn't walking through that door Majesty so why don't you go watch Butterbean or something, that's what you want right A guy who will "mix it up", a guy who "takes chances"....BOXING is hit and don't get hit, it's not a fucking Toughman competition.

I look at this thread and I read "Great Technical Boxers Limited by Mentality" which to me means "guys who had some skill but because of their mindset or some mental issues they could not achieve their potential" Wladimir Klitschko is a 3 time Heavyweight champion, he's The Ring magazine Heavyweight champion, he holds the IBF and WBO belts and just dominated the #3 ranked heavyweight in the world and you think he's limited by his mentality Maybe you think he could achieve more than he has....that's fine and dandy but there's not much left for him to do other than defend his titles vs whatever the division can throw at him. Winning 53 fights and scoring 47 stoppages vs top level competition is pretty impressive. This is not about whether you appreciate Wlad's style or like watching his fights it's about guys who reached their potential and I would say Wlad has pretty much reached his potential and therefore wouldn't belong on this list....meanwhile someone like Michael Grant WOULD be on this list.

Exactly, the name of the game is to hit and not be hit. I think the guy is a genius in the ring, using all of his god given abilities to his advantage. It would be stupid not to. Most fight fans loves a fighter/brawler like Julio Cesar Chavez or Marvin Hagler but very few guys could pull that off. If you have other abilities at your disposal, why not use them?

[Majesty]

Wladimer Klitschko

...yeah because being THE Heavyweight Champion of the world just isn't hitting the top of your game

Mike Tyson isn't walking through that door Majesty so why don't you go watch Butterbean or something, that's what you want right A guy who will "mix it up", a guy who "takes chances"....BOXING is hit and don't get hit, it's not a fucking Toughman competition.

I look at this thread and I read "Great Technical Boxers Limited by Mentality" which to me means "guys who had some skill but because of their mindset or some mental issues they could not achieve their potential" Wladimir Klitschko is a 3 time Heavyweight champion, he's The Ring magazine Heavyweight champion, he holds the IBF and WBO belts and just dominated the #3 ranked heavyweight in the world and you think he's limited by his mentality

He IS limited by his mentality. he underperforms because he is afraid of getting knocked out and looks stiff in the ring. He has improved as a fighter but fights like he still has something to be scared about. Just because someone achieves a lot doesn't mean they aren't limited by their mentality. He holds himself back from performing as great as he can because he is mentally scarred from being knocked out. Limited by Mentality doesn't have to mean they always lose. He fights like he is scared to get knocked out again and it holds him back from putting on a performance that makes the heavyweight division watchable. He has people in front of him he can steamroll yet he never presses the issue because he is afraid of getting knocked out again. Wladimer's playing hide and seek with himself but no one's it.

Wladimer is limited by his mentality from being knocked out, he is now a tentative cautious fighter that makes the heavyweight division boring, if he was never knocked out he'd never learned anything new and became a better fighter. Yet he became a better fighter and still fights like he has the world to be afraid of in the ring. He is the definition of a fighter with great skill but limited by his mentality to pull the trigger. It doesnt mean he loses all the time. But it does mean he is a great technical boxer limited by his mentality.

The problem with Wladimer that i thought you'd understand right now is not his execution of hit and not get hit. It's called not taking advantages of all your skills to blast someone out rather then let them stay around.

Like I said before the mentality of "I have all the punches in the world but i wont use them until someone hurts me" is a pretty stupid way of thinking. Use them all the time to make sure they don't hurt you, don't pick and choose when you wanna use them just cause you can. It says enough about his talent that he can get away with it right now in his career but it also speaks for how weak the division is. You have all the punches in the world you use them and win the fight, you don't perform down to what your opponent is doing and do just enough above that to win a fight. That's stupid. All other fighters that perform down to the level of their opposition but still win get hell but people want to exempt Wladimer. Why?:

I'm very aware about Boxing being hit and not get hit, hell Im the guy who made the Larry Merchant vid because he hated on a fighter in Chris Byrd who HAD to fight defensively.

But there is a difference between the style you HAVE to fight and the style you decide to fight. Wladimer doesn't have to fight like he doesn't have speed power ability over everyone else. Wladimer has won a fight in two rounds using one hand yet people try to act like if he didn't use the strategy of jab, grab and right hand that he would get knocked out and he is a much better fighter then that. He just doesnt show it because mentally he is still scarred from getting knocked out. Too many what if's in his head that you'd think would have been gone after the Peter fight. They aren't. Do to me, Wladimer is a great technical boxer limited by mentality