Great Technical Boxers Limited by Mentality

[jon09]

Hi my friend Donny , good to see you , i hopes everything is well with you and your family too ..............

Well what about Hazem Hamed when was defeated by Marcos Antonio Barrera , he never returned back to fight , probably MAB frustrated him in some way i guess..................

I really liked that fight and i enjoyed...............

Macho!
Great to see you my friend!
Everything is good here, how are you?


Yeah Naseem Hamed certainly is one, once he lost his aura of invincibility I think it shattered his own drive and self belief.

Truely great to see you again mi pana.

Same happened i the same weight class to Koko from Hungary undefeated for 20 plus then ko'ed lost his world title and never even tried again once.

Tua wasnt great technically as such but always dissapointed me, recon he could of been so much more if he hadn't got so lazy with his training.

Tua is a good 1 the Lennox loss screwed him up pretty badly.

[Andre]

Actually the thread title is tailor made for A Mundine.

[El Kabong]

I didn't read all the posts but Andrew Golota should be the posterboy of this thread

[piye]

Joshua Clottey?? not a finisher...

To a larger degree Quartey, he was similar to Clottey, but he had that great jab and power.
Here are guys for me

Potentially Gamboa: IMO a better athletic version of Meldrick Taylor, but his cockiness could be the death of him. He does things so effortlessly sometimes, and other times he gets caught.
Andre Berto: another top tier athlete who is tough, can box, and he wants to be exciting, but I think he has a hard time trying to integrate excitement and boxing and he leaves himself wide open for counter punches.
Roy Jones Jr: not because of anything he did in the ring, but because of what fights didn't end up getting made, I know they weren't 100% his fault, but as PAcquiao is showing the big fights can be made if you are really eager to fight guys. I think his fear of a serious injury led him away from the biggest fights in his prime.
Ali and Lennox Lewis: didn't train as hard as they could have for many of their fights.
Wilfredo Benitez: he trained like 2 weeks in total for both the HEarns and Leonard fight, I am not sure if he wanted an excuse or honestly didn't care, but I think he never gave his best effort leading up to the fight.
Mike Tysonbvious reasons
Zab Judah: obvious reasons
Juan Guzman: poor manager? Lost his opportunity by not making weight for a very important fight because he stayed at 130 way too long.
Michael Nunn and Whiatker: could have had longer careers had they kept clean.

A few ATG fighters have been mentioned Roy, Tyson, Holyfield and I cannot agree with this out of thousands of fighters that exist in the world to become undisputed or P4P no way did you underachieve.

[SaltyBacon]

jhonny tapia all the promblems he had outside of the ring

[holmcall]

Dominick Guinn

[SweetPea]

Ricky Hatton
The most frustrating fighter of the past decade for me. Squandered raw talent, physicality and a hell of a lot of work with his lifestyle between fights, despite endless advice from trainers, fighters, the media, his fanbase.....

Ricky Hatton is not a great technical boxer. He's a guy with above average speed, but not a ton of skill, who made the most with what he had. If Ricky Hatton had been born in say... Ghana, and didn't have the big marketable fanbase that he got in the UK, he never would have been considered an elite fighter at any point in his career.

(On this board, I'm sure this post is going to go over about as well as a fart at church).

[amat]

Ike has he been mentioned? Ibeabuchi not Quartey, that's one that sticks out. A good solid fighter who had a legit two hand attack which is more then you can say for a lot of one dimensional heavyweights of today.

I don't really agree with the Taylor one, moreover I don't agree with the notion that he should have done something else in the 12th round. I think he fought a GREAT fight, a fight that would have propelled him to superstardom and ATG status if he won and that's because of the way he fought the first 11 rounds. Everyone knew Taylor had the ability to outbox Chavez, the statement was made when he outfought Chavez on the inside. And that's how he won all those rounds that gave him that perceived lead (I don't remember how the cards shook out.) Hindsight is 20/20, Taylor could have bounced around, not given Chavez a target and then leave it in the hands of judges who you never know what you are getting in their cards. Plus, he could have knocked Chavez out. With the accumalation of punches you could see that was a possibility as early as the 8th round. I find it more admirable then I do boneheaded. The ending to that fight and to Meldrick Taylor's career as a whole is tragic but I don't think he was limited in the way Golota, Bowe, Judah or Tyson are, by their own mentality. The Philly fighter mentality he always gets branded with isn't neccasarily a bad thing, we would have loved him for it just like everyone loved Holyfield at that time for being so willing to fight.

That's my stance on Taylor.

Another Taylor fits this bill, Jermain Taylor who had his career rolling with two wins over Hopkins and a draw with Wright who were concievably the two toughest possible fights for him to ever take and he emerged through them with his title. But it just seems like they both made him think to much in the ring because like OumaFan pointed out in the Froch fight, he fights with so much nervous energy it's visible. He's never settled, he always looks ancy and never smooth. He fought really calm against Lacy only getting into trouble once otherwise fighting smart with great activity, looked good but not against Froch not even in the first 11 rounds did he look all that great.

De La Hoya comes to mind just because of how many times he simply made the wrong tactical decision in a fight which eventually cost him or should have cost him on numerous occasions.

[Andre]

Ricky Hatton
The most frustrating fighter of the past decade for me. Squandered raw talent, physicality and a hell of a lot of work with his lifestyle between fights, despite endless advice from trainers, fighters, the media, his fanbase.....

Ricky Hatton is not a great technical boxer. He's a guy with above average speed, but not a ton of skill, who made the most with what he had. If Ricky Hatton had been born in say... Ghana, and didn't have the big marketable fanbase that he got in the UK, he never would have been considered an elite fighter at any point in his career.

(On this board, I'm sure this post is going to go over about as well as a fart at church).

Pew.

[mad_takamura]

Clottey, Toney, Guzman. A guy like Viloria's maybe not a great technical boxer but he's a poster boy for mentality problems, at least until Solis.

I always thought Judah's unreached potential was a bit overdone. His skills and technical ability were always overrated IMO. He was never nearly as talented and skilled as say a Guzman.

yep. viloria's recent trainer roberto garcia was asked, prior to his fight with solis, what will they improve in preparation for their fight with solis? he said nothing. in fact he said viloria got all the tools to be world champ again and is impressed by his boxing skills. what viloria lacks, he said, was motivation and focus. that means there's a lot of things going on to his head that's why he lost all those title fights from sosa and romero. it turns out garcia was right: it's all about the "ghost" in the head.

[Majesty]

Wladimer Klitschko

[donnydarkoIRL]

Ricky Hatton is not a great technical boxer. He's a guy with above average speed, but not a ton of skill, who made the most with what he had. If Ricky Hatton had been born in say... Ghana, and didn't have the big marketable fanbase that he got in the UK, he never would have been considered an elite fighter at any point in his career.

(On this board, I'm sure this post is going to go over about as well as a fart at church).

Ricky is a complete natural...
Given the correct guidance and had he applied his own mind to the technical aspects of the game he could have been gifted.

Thwe man was a special athlete, but he was limited by his mentality which drove him to burrow forward with little in mind.
Is this not a fighter limited by mindset?

[ICB]

Ricky Hatton is not a great technical boxer. He's a guy with above average speed, but not a ton of skill, who made the most with what he had. If Ricky Hatton had been born in say... Ghana, and didn't have the big marketable fanbase that he got in the UK, he never would have been considered an elite fighter at any point in his career.

(On this board, I'm sure this post is going to go over about as well as a fart at church).

Ricky is a complete natural...
Given the correct guidance and had he applied his own mind to the technical aspects of the game he could have been gifted.

Thwe man was a special athlete, but he was limited by his mentality which drove him to burrow forward with little in mind.
Is this not a fighter limited by mindset?

Don't really get what your saying here, i've seen plenty of Ricky Hatton fights and he has never been a technical fighter. And your comments seem to be assumptions IMO.

He's a good athlete with good speed, but how does that equal him being a technical boxer ? and even if you do consider him to be somewhat of a technical boxer. Was he a great technical boxer really ?

Technical boxers IMO are guys like James Toney, Mike McCallum, Marlon Starling, Winky Wright, ETC.

Ricky Hatton may of not had the best mentality, but he certainly was never a technical boxer and he never could be.

Ricky Hatton in his prime could be a boxer/puncher, and he could do it very well, but again he was never a technical boxer. And in his later career he certainly wasn't either. Just mostly coming forward and swarming.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Ricky Hatton is not a great technical boxer. He's a guy with above average speed, but not a ton of skill, who made the most with what he had. If Ricky Hatton had been born in say... Ghana, and didn't have the big marketable fanbase that he got in the UK, he never would have been considered an elite fighter at any point in his career.

(On this board, I'm sure this post is going to go over about as well as a fart at church).

Ricky is a complete natural...
Given the correct guidance and had he applied his own mind to the technical aspects of the game he could have been gifted.

Thwe man was a special athlete, but he was limited by his mentality which drove him to burrow forward with little in mind.
Is this not a fighter limited by mindset?

Don't really get what your saying here, i've seen plenty of Ricky Hatton fights and he has never been a technical fighter. And your comments seem to be assumptions IMO.

He's a good athlete with good speed, but how does that equal him being a technical boxer ? and even if you do consider him to be somewhat of a technical boxer. Was he a great technical boxer really ?

Technical boxers IMO are guys like James Toney, Mike McCallum, Marlon Starling, Winky Wright, ETC.

Ricky Hatton may of not had the best mentality, but he certainly was never a technical boxer and he never could be.

Ricky Hatton in his prime could be a boxer/puncher, and he could do it very well, but again he was never a technical boxer. And in his later career he certainly wasn't either. Just mostly coming forward and swarming.

Never in any post have I stated or claimed that Ricky Hatton was a good technical boxer.
I stated that had he applied his natural athleticism to boxing as a science he could have been a far better fighter.

[El Kabong]

Wladimer Klitschko

...yeah because being THE Heavyweight Champion of the world just isn't hitting the top of your game

Mike Tyson isn't walking through that door Majesty so why don't you go watch Butterbean or something, that's what you want right A guy who will "mix it up", a guy who "takes chances"....BOXING is hit and don't get hit, it's not a fucking Toughman competition.

I look at this thread and I read "Great Technical Boxers Limited by Mentality" which to me means "guys who had some skill but because of their mindset or some mental issues they could not achieve their potential" Wladimir Klitschko is a 3 time Heavyweight champion, he's The Ring magazine Heavyweight champion, he holds the IBF and WBO belts and just dominated the #3 ranked heavyweight in the world and you think he's limited by his mentality Maybe you think he could achieve more than he has....that's fine and dandy but there's not much left for him to do other than defend his titles vs whatever the division can throw at him. Winning 53 fights and scoring 47 stoppages vs top level competition is pretty impressive. This is not about whether you appreciate Wlad's style or like watching his fights it's about guys who reached their potential and I would say Wlad has pretty much reached his potential and therefore wouldn't belong on this list....meanwhile someone like Michael Grant WOULD be on this list.