Why Blame Floyd For Being Smart About Business?

[Kel]

Agreed!!! I am not bothered that he is just in it for the money because everybody is but what's sickening is him stating he is still the best without having fought the top 5 welters out there. Shame on him when a smaller man than him actually fights Shane and Cotto first.

Really?? Please tell me which smaller man is stepping up to fight Shane because I don't see one. Also don't believe Cotto has yet signed to fight anyone, & I doubt he will be fighting any smaller guys at 147.

Shane is trying to get a Pacquiao fight as is Miguel Cotto and his promoter bob arum. Why isn't anyone bashing Shane or Cotto?

Because its easier to hate Floyd. And I'm pretty sure if it was Judah that hit Clottey in the back of the head or that it looked like he fell down because of a shove from, that no one would be defending him.

Boxing fans choose rules for who they like and do not like what they bash one fighter for they will defend the other for.

They have both been fighting each other and the rest of the best at Welterweight, neither duck anyone either so that's probably why no one is having a go at them.

[Majesty]

Really?? Please tell me which smaller man is stepping up to fight Shane because I don't see one. Also don't believe Cotto has yet signed to fight anyone, & I doubt he will be fighting any smaller guys at 147.

Shane is trying to get a Pacquiao fight as is Miguel Cotto and his promoter bob arum. Why isn't anyone bashing Shane or Cotto?

Because its easier to hate Floyd. And I'm pretty sure if it was Judah that hit Clottey in the back of the head or that it looked like he fell down because of a shove from, that no one would be defending him.

Boxing fans choose rules for who they like and do not like what they bash one fighter for they will defend the other for.

They have both been fighting each other and the rest of the best at Welterweight, neither duck anyone either so that's probably why no one is having a go at them.

Shane has fought the best at welterweight? The only person he has fought lately has been Margarito. And who has Cotto fought at welterweight? Judah? Floyd already fought him. He fought Shane, but Shane ducked Floyd when Floyd wanted to fight him and that was in Shanes prime not in the twilight of his career. And Cotto lost to Margarito whom Shane beat. meanwhile Floyd has become undisputed champ at 147 and beat Judah before Cotto even got to him he also knocked out Ricky Hatton who is the guy that people gave soo much credit to Pacquiao for beating but act like Floyd never did it. Why is it you blow up another fighters achievements when Floyd got their first and doesn't get any credit whatsoever?

[C-Lo]

Well, I don't blame him as a businessman but as a fighter he is no longer fighting the better competition. He is much like DLH was in the latter part of his career. They are now just businessmen who happen to fight. Floyd just happens to be spectacular at it. Could be the all time best but we'll never know. Thats what riles fans up. Even the ones who push for him want to have something more to cement their claim for him.

He still says he is the best mate that's why I can't stand the guy at times.

Yep. This is it.

I have no problem with a boxer being smart business-wise. It's a dangerous sport, so a fighter should try to make as much money as possible with as little risk as possible.

However, if you're going to claim that you're one of the best of all-time (as Floyd does) then you open yourself up to having your list of opponents questioned.

I have no problem with a business man who doesnm,t want to take risk but I definitely have a problem with a clown who's actions aren,t going in the same direction as his runningmouth.

Those last three comments I bolded are huge reasons why I'm losing respect for him. To be honest, I know I'm not the only poster here who used to be big Floyd fans but are gradually becoming less and less of one.

Really? You're supporting this behavior?

From a business point of view I would fight guys like Marquez for 15 mil than fight guys like Cotto, Pacman (catchweight), Mosley for a few mil more that can take away my 0 from the loss column. Mark my words it's going to be Hatton-Mayweather 2 at Wembley on HBO PPV or Khan-Mayweather at a catch weight. He'll be making over 30 mil easy for those 2 fights with PPV percentage he receives.

This is a business, point blank. Floyd has nothing to prove. 6 time champ in 5 divisions. That's his resume. He's the best pound for pound fighter of this generation. Boxing history will say that. They're not going to say anything about his opponents. They'll look at that big fat 0 next to his loss column and argue that.

How important is that big fat 0? Take Rocky Marciano for example, fight fans are still saying that he would beat a prime Ali and that he kicked Joe Louis ass and beat up Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, and Archie Moore. And that he is the greatest heavyweight champion ever or arguing that. But what they don't see was that everyone of these boxing greats were well past their primes. Only hardcore fans see that. Casual sports and fight fans just know that Joe Louis got his ass kicked but they didn't know that Joe Louis was basically shot with no handspeed, accuracy, endurance, quick reflexes that he lost at age 37. Even boxing historians hardly mentioned that. They just say Marciano kicked his ass and knocked him through the ropes.

That's how important that big fat 0 is. It forms a different perception. All Money Floyd has to do is take fights like Marquez an blown up featherweight kicked his ass and say I beat an all time great that gave the other p4p champion of that era all kinds of trouble. Ain't no one going to argue that 20 years from now. They will just look at the big fat 0 and the 6 time champ in 5 classes.

I have to disagree here. 20 years from now people will say the same thing they are saying now. We all know he's an amazing fighter, one of the best ever! But he chose not to take the best fights or biggest tests out there.

It hasn't been that long and people are already criticizing Roy Jones now for not having a hard enough record. Maybe general fans will see him as an almighty undefeated fighter, but real boxing fans will remember how we felt at this day and time.

I've said this before but I totally agree with you when it comes to Floyd being a good businessman. He takes the least amount of risk for the most amount of money. But "boxing" fans want to see the best fight the best and Floyd isn't doing that

Floyd will eventually realize that he is now a garbage. He'll always be known as a guy who avoided threatening opponents in his league to keep his record and untarnished.

Genero Hernandez, Angel Manfreddy, Unbeaten Diego Corrales, an dangerous opponent in Zab Judah, giving up significant weight advantages to his opponents on fight night like Delahoya, Baldomir, etc. Also was the first to KO Hatton.

Whereas Manny beats over the hill fighters like Morales 2 that lost to Raheem. An MAB that was in so many wars already. Beating an weight drain Delahoya, beatin up on Hatton which Floyd already did. And Floyd's numbers for the same 2 opponents are significantly better tahn Mannys. Floyd don't fight weight drain opponents and that's a fact.

Not to mention the most physically gifted fighter since Roy Jones and the best defensive fighter in the game. The way Manny fights and takes so many hits to the head, he's going to wind up like Freddie Roach.

And another thing, Floyd doesn't get KO by bum fighters named Torrecampo or however you spell it.

Quinto's post is a bit out there. Everyone knows Floyd is a SICK fighter! That's just ignorance. Sorry but that's just hater talk.

Bulldog, again, you gotta look at it from another perspective. I can easily say these things about Floyd's resume. Judah was always a mentally weak fighter, De La Hoya always blew the big fights, Corrales was a chinny fighter, Baldomir was just a journeyman, Hatton was a smaller man, ETC. Do I believe those things? No, but if you're nit picking someone, I can easily say them.

Pac on the other hand fought first-ballot hall of famers and arguably the best Mexican fighters ever in Morales, Barrera, and Marquez, he also beat the much bigger man in Oscar De La Hoya, and the lineal light welterweight Champion in Hatton, who was also undefeated at the weight class. Was it as simple as that? No! But if you want to make someone sound like a God, you can also do that.

Each one of the statements about Manny and Floyd's opposition are true. You can make someone look incredibly good or bad, all depending on your mindset. But all-in-all to not give either man respect of credit just shows the utmost ignorance.

AND about your Torrencampo comment, that's just ignorance man. People who bring up Pac's early two losses to compare to his abilities now are easily haters.

AND on another one of your comments about Pac fighting Shane or Cotto under the welterweight limit for their titles, when were their titles ever brought up in negotiations? There are catchweights but titles won't be on the line unless it's fought at 147.

[C-Lo]

I just looked at your started threads bulldog, and you seem to be trying to work people up and have hidden agendas. You remind me a lot of another poster who was just recently banned here. The only difference was one was a Pac worshipper and you are the polar opposite.

I just thought it was funny about the similarities of your threads.

[generalbulldog]

I have to disagree here. 20 years from now people will say the same thing they are saying now. We all know he's an amazing fighter, one of the best ever! But he chose not to take the best fights or biggest tests out there.

Pacman fans wants to disregard Floyd having only 16 or 17 fights when he was still very green in fighting Genaro Hernandez and after that Angel Manfreddy when he was just 21 and turned pro in just 2 years! Nor do they want to remember about the Undefeated Chico Corrales who was favored to beat Floyd. Not surprising isn't it when they say he hasn't taken the best fights out there when he was putting it all on the line just being on HBO and not mega Pay Per View Events in his early career, with the exception of the Corrales fight.

It hasn't been that long and people are already criticizing Roy Jones now for not having a hard enough record. Maybe general fans will see him as an almighty undefeated fighter, but real boxing fans will remember how we felt at this day and time.

Who are the people that are criticizing Roy Jones Career? IMO it's the same people that criticize the careers of Pernell Whittaker, Julio Cesar Chavez, etc. I sure wonder what's the connection there?

I've said this before but I totally agree with you when it comes to Floyd being a good businessman. He takes the least amount of risk for the most amount of money. But "boxing" fans want to see the best fight the best and Floyd isn't doing that

Yeah Floyd wasn't taking any risks fighting for a few grand taking on Genaro Hernandez with only 16 or 17 fights in his career and right after that Angel Manfreddy at a very green stage and at 21 years old no less.

Each one of the statements about Manny and Floyd's opposition are true. You can make someone look incredibly good or bad, all depending on your mindset. But all-in-all to not give either man respect of credit just shows the utmost ignorance.

Yeah and you're comment about Floyd just taking the best money fights out there without risk wasn't ignorance right?

AND about your Torrencampo comment, that's just ignorance man. People who bring up Pac's early two losses to compare to his abilities now are easily haters.

Here's the difference in talent between Manny and Floyd. Floyd was an world champion and had fought 2 very dangerous opponents before he had even 19 fights. Manny was getting knocked out at the same stage. And both were still very green in their early careers.

AND on another one of your comments about Pac fighting Shane or Cotto under the welterweight limit for their titles, when were their titles ever brought up in negotiations? There are catchweights but titles won't be on the line unless it's fought at 147.

Who knows maybe Manny will pull a Leonard-Lalonde catchweight to fight for a world title or another example would be Oscar-Hopkins fight. I wouldn't rule it out.

I just looked at your started threads bulldog, and you seem to be trying to work people up and have hidden agendas. You remind me a lot of another poster who was just recently banned here. The only difference was one was a Pac worshipper and you are the polar opposite.
I just thought it was funny about the similarities of your threads.

I remember starting a catch weight thread and a thread about bringing back fight night weigh ins but I guess the fans of Manny thought I was insulting him. Just like this thread is about Floyd and I only mentioned Manny's name in that he doesn't have to fight him or Cotto or anyone else but make as much money as possible and split. But the fans of Manny came in and said Floyd has no skills and fought bums all his life. And let's be honest now, since Floyd is considered to be still the default p4p champ Pac fans have to come into every thread that has Floyds name to call him a bum. This thread was about him being smart and selective who he fights now in the latter stages of his career. But I guess Pac fans don't want to look at fights with David Diaz as being cherry picking right? But I sure wonder why they do it to Floyd.

[C-Lo]

I never criticized Floyd's early career. I don't like what he's been doing lately, but his road to the top was a difficult one. I thought he was exciting to watch and fought the dangerous fighters. When I was nit-picking his wins I was making an example of how you can make anyone sounds less than they are. I didn't mean those things, again, just making an example.

You should've been here for the Jones vs Calzaghe fight. That's when people criticized his resume. Again, I'm not holding anything against him, just another example.

You said to me, "Yeah and you're comment about Floyd just taking the best money fights out there without risk wasn't ignorance right?" Ignorance?! C'mon man, Floyd said it himself with his interview with Brian Kenny, he doesn't fight for bragging rights, he's fighting for money.

The whole catchweight for the welterweight title, if it happens that way, I won't give it much respect because I believe if Pac wants that welterweight title he should fight at 147. Until that becomes an issue, don't bring it up.

And when did I ever call Floyd a bum?! I've said it before and I'll say it again, you're labeling the wrong guy as a "Pacfan." I used to be a Floyd fan, so if you don't think I see it from both ends of the argument then you are way off. I'm just pointing out that you're looking at the two with tunnel vision in favor of Floyd.

[Gandalf]

I don't care if Floyd is smart about business. As a boxing fan all I really care about is that quality matchups are made between fighters and it can't be denied that Floyd has been cherrypicking a fair bit in recent years. We shouldn't be spoonfed mismatches just because the advantaged fighter thinks they can get away with it. And Floyd does try it, and he does get away with it. He's a poof and should fight a proper WW.

[Kel]

Shane is trying to get a Pacquiao fight as is Miguel Cotto and his promoter bob arum. Why isn't anyone bashing Shane or Cotto?

Because its easier to hate Floyd. And I'm pretty sure if it was Judah that hit Clottey in the back of the head or that it looked like he fell down because of a shove from, that no one would be defending him.

Boxing fans choose rules for who they like and do not like what they bash one fighter for they will defend the other for.

They have both been fighting each other and the rest of the best at Welterweight, neither duck anyone either so that's probably why no one is having a go at them.

Shane has fought the best at welterweight? The only person he has fought lately has been Margarito. And who has Cotto fought at welterweight? Judah? Floyd already fought him. He fought Shane, but Shane ducked Floyd when Floyd wanted to fight him and that was in Shanes prime not in the twilight of his career. And Cotto lost to Margarito whom Shane beat. meanwhile Floyd has become undisputed champ at 147 and beat Judah before Cotto even got to him he also knocked out Ricky Hatton who is the guy that people gave soo much credit to Pacquiao for beating but act like Floyd never did it. Why is it you blow up another fighters achievements when Floyd got their first and doesn't get any credit whatsoever?

Well Floyd said in a recent interview that Shane has losses so he does not want to fight him. Did he call Shane out saying a bunch of names after a fight? He did that with Tszyu too and plenty more besides.

Baldomir had 9 losses(but that's ok), he beat a shot to fuck Gatti (who Floyd beat to get the WBC) and even beat Zab before Floyd did lol. Floyd bored the pants of everyone to the pont they started leaving early by outpointing him for 12 rounds. Undisputed 147 champ in the weakest possible scenario.


I know Floyd beat Judah about a year before Cotto but Cotto stopped him. But then again that means nothing as Tszyu did him in two rounds when he was in his absolute prime.

No one can ever convince me Floyd has done great things above 140 because he just ain't.

[Majesty]

Baldomir had 9 losses(but that's ok), he beat a shot to fuck Gatti (who Floyd beat to get the WBC) and even beat Zab before Floyd did lol. Floyd bored the pants of everyone to the pont they started leaving early by outpointing him for 12 rounds. Undisputed 147 champ in the weakest possible scenario.

you're hating. why are you blaming Baldomir? Judah is the guy that lost the titles to him. Floyd still fought Judah and saw it as a harder fight and people bashed him for title picking and not fighting the guy who beat Judah. So then Floyd beats Baldomir and people bitch and say he wasn't anyone that he didn't beat the guy that stopped Kostya Tszyu, so then he fought and knocked out Hatton and people still wanna complain. Whether you like it or not he beat the best at 147 which many thought was Judah at the time and he beat the Undisputed Champ at 147 in Baldomir and whether you like it or not or who was there he did it. It's not Floyd fault that Zab lost and Baldomir had 9 losses.

I know Floyd beat Judah about a year before Cotto but Cotto stopped him. But then again that means nothing as Tszyu did him in two rounds when he was in his absolute prime.

Boxing is about styles, Floyd doesn't have the power of Cotto nor the style and he didn't have to low blow Judah twice either in the first two rounds. But this he beat the guy faster really has no hold, if you are a power puncher and someone is a counter puncher you should be able to knockout the guy faster, its not rocket science.

No one can ever convince me Floyd has done great things above 140 because he just ain't.

Sounds like a personal problem. He has, whether you want to admit it or not.

[Kel]

Baldomir had 9 losses(but that's ok), he beat a shot to fuck Gatti (who Floyd beat to get the WBC) and even beat Zab before Floyd did lol. Floyd bored the pants of everyone to the pont they started leaving early by outpointing him for 12 rounds. Undisputed 147 champ in the weakest possible scenario.

you're hating. why are you blaming Baldomir? Judah is the guy that lost the titles to him. Floyd still fought Judah and saw it as a harder fight and people bashed him for title picking and not fighting the guy who beat Judah. So then Floyd beats Baldomir and people bitch and say he wasn't anyone that he didn't beat the guy that stopped Kostya Tszyu, so then he fought and knocked out Hatton and people still wanna complain. Whether you like it or not he beat the best at 147 which many thought was Judah at the time and he beat the Undisputed Champ at 147 in Baldomir and whether you like it or not or who was there he did it. It's not Floyd fault that Zab lost and Baldomir had 9 losses.

I know Floyd beat Judah about a year before Cotto but Cotto stopped him. But then again that means nothing as Tszyu did him in two rounds when he was in his absolute prime.

Boxing is about styles, Floyd doesn't have the power of Cotto nor the style and he didn't have to low blow Judah twice either in the first two rounds. But this he beat the guy faster really has no hold, if you are a power puncher and someone is a counter puncher you should be able to knockout the guy faster, its not rocket science.

No one can ever convince me Floyd has done great things above 140 because he just ain't.

Sounds like a personal problem. He has, whether you want to admit it or not.

No personal problem or hating the guy is just a wanker. You watch these and tell me he ain't a complete twat living in some dreamworld.

Go to one minute and listen to this prat.
YouTube - Floyd Mayweather: "I'm Still Retired" (300 million liquid)

YouTube - **EXCLUSIVE**FLOYD MAYWEATHER SPEAKS ON PACMAN AND HIS FUTURE IN BOXING!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kXwJ...eature=relatedWatch this lol

Sorry all the videos are fucked up I'm shit at using them.

[C-Lo]

That last video at the bottom, when Kenny was talking to Floyd about fighting Zab, Floyd could actually use that interview against him. Kenny talked about why not fight Ricky Hatton and Carlos Baldomir? If I were Floyd I would be like, "remember when you said fight Baldomir and Hatton, look what happened!"

[JonesJrMayweather]

Shane is trying to get a Pacquiao fight as is Miguel Cotto and his promoter bob arum. Why isn't anyone bashing Shane or Cotto?

Because its easier to hate Floyd. And I'm pretty sure if it was Judah that hit Clottey in the back of the head or that it looked like he fell down because of a shove from, that no one would be defending him.

Boxing fans choose rules for who they like and do not like what they bash one fighter for they will defend the other for.

They have both been fighting each other and the rest of the best at Welterweight, neither duck anyone either so that's probably why no one is having a go at them.

Shane has fought the best at welterweight? The only person he has fought lately has been Margarito. And who has Cotto fought at welterweight? Judah? Floyd already fought him. He fought Shane, but Shane ducked Floyd when Floyd wanted to fight him and that was in Shanes prime not in the twilight of his career. And Cotto lost to Margarito whom Shane beat. meanwhile Floyd has become undisputed champ at 147 and beat Judah before Cotto even got to him he also knocked out Ricky Hatton who is the guy that people gave soo much credit to Pacquiao for beating but act like Floyd never did it. Why is it you blow up another fighters achievements when Floyd got their first and doesn't get any credit whatsoever?

shane's career at WW...early there was ODLH,FORREST,DIAZ RIVERA, then after a stint at 154 he came back and fought Collazo,cotto,margarito then he was signed to fight judah, but judah magically "cut" his hand and got out of the fight but fought clottey a month later.

shane won't get criticized because he just destroyed "the most feared man at WW"..not to mention he's already proved that he his willing to fight anyone. Point is, floyd can do 15mil fighting shane in LA.

then floyd's comment about why he's fighting JMM was "Marquez is the one that called me out?"....Shane has been calling him out why not fight him?

[sanchez786]

I'll echo what many have said but will make it short and simple:

Cotto, Mosley, Williams, Margarito....fight any of these and Floyd will rightfully cement his legacy...until then, PBF should STFU!

Here is a word for word quote from Mayweather:

"We're not fighting to see who the best is"

O'rly?

[Mar]

The jealousy and hating is just silly. You are online looking up floyd.....he aint looking up you. And that when you get down to it is the reason he's hated. You guys talk more about this one guy you hate so much than you do your own favorite fighters. This guy is playing us all...yes me included since i buy the fights and stuff as well. All the hate does is make the guy richer so he throws more bs in your face we run and talk about it as he sits at home checks his bank accts and laughs. Broke or not now the guy has probably spent and lost more money than any of us here will probably even make. This division is supposidly so full of talent and deep so why suck the cack of a guy who isn't even champ. He does all this crap cause before he did he was just another good boxer, now look his name shows up here every other thread. But yea ....we're showin him !! Lol !! I like the guy everyone knows i do......just as much as any other guy but damn there has got to be more to boxing than just floyd mayweather jr . Enough already.

[Kel]

The jealousy and hating is just silly. You are online looking up floyd.....he aint looking up you. And that when you get down to it is the reason he's hated. You guys talk more about this one guy you hate so much than you do your own favorite fighters. This guy is playing us all...yes me included since i buy the fights and stuff as well. All the hate does is make the guy richer so he throws more bs in your face we run and talk about it as he sits at home checks his bank accts and laughs. Broke or not now the guy has probably spent and lost more money than any of us here will probably even make. This division is supposidly so full of talent and deep so why suck the cack of a guy who isn't even champ. He does all this crap cause before he did he was just another good boxer, now look his name shows up here every other thread. But yea ....we're showin him !! Lol !! I like the guy everyone knows i do......just as much as any other guy but damn there has got to be more to boxing than just floyd mayweather jr . Enough already.

I'm just replying to the thread as it's all about Floyd. I'm not going out of my way to bash him trust me, he has all the talent you could ever wish for but he ain't done shit with it lately. He could probably beat any Welter out there and make a mint and most importantly have something to shout about that's actually true. He thinks he is the best fighter ever he has said it many a time but he isn't......he could have been though, that's the saddest thing about it.