B. J. Flores' comments on Wlad yesterday

[JT Rock]

Everyone fails to recognize what Spicoli has said already. Wlad has a definitive comfort zone, when it is compromised he unravels. His only adjustment is to hold like he was clinging to a life preserver.

Those guys I mentioned came to fight.

Tyson
Lewis
Holyfield
Bowe
Moorer

Those guys were tough, had heart and a fighting spirit. The problem with the heavyweight division is, European fighters for the most part need to read there opposition from a comfort level and a distance.(Quote from Emmanuel Steward on how Ricky Hattons style was made to beat Tszyu)

Now when you look at the influx of European fighters that are in the Heavyweight division Chagaev, Imbragimov, Povetkin, Wlad Klitschko etc. They are good Boxers NOT GOOD FIGHTERS. Wlad being so big and enjoying a size advantage those guys cant outbox him. Yet they wouldnt try to press and push him and unravel him they try to box from the outside and they get picked off.

The guy that beats Wlad wont be a guy that out boxes him, its a guy who jumps in and presses and fights. Thats why fighters like David Haye and Chris Arreola are such intriguing matchups.

There going to try and fight and impose there will, there not safety 1st guys there the kind of exciting fighters that we come to enjoy from our Heavyweight Champion of the world. Its unimagineable to think a 6'7 240lb carved out of a statue physique who hits like a mule dosent finish a guy who he clearly out guns by a longshot, he dosent even try.

If Wlad was a Welterweight or Middle etc, than his style would be great, but he's the damn recognized HeavyWeight Champ of the world for Chrisesakes TRY TO FRIGGIN FIGHT!!!

Wlad hasnt even had a career defining fight that galvanizes his legacy.

[holmcall]

The Klit-Chageav fight went according to script. No surprises
whatsoever. The thing that makes a Haye fight potentially intriguing is that Haye will take more risks. While that may likely put him in harm's way and get him chilled, it still will make for a more exciting fight. And if Haye
can somehow get Wlad to take some risks (which is not his wont), he just might have a chance to land that explosive right hand. All in all, a more fan-friendly affair.

[The Fightfan]

Everyone fails to recognize what Spicoli has said already. Wlad has a definitive comfort zone, when it is compromised he unravels. His only adjustment is to hold like he was clinging to a life preserver.

Those guys I mentioned came to fight.

Tyson
Lewis
Holyfield
Bowe
Moorer

Those guys were tough, had heart and a fighting spirit. The problem with the heavyweight division is, European fighters for the most part need to read there opposition from a comfort level and a distance.(Quote from Emmanuel Steward on how Ricky Hattons style was made to beat Tszyu)

Now when you look at the influx of European fighters that are in the Heavyweight division Chagaev, Imbragimov, Povetkin, Wlad Klitschko etc. They are good Boxers NOT GOOD FIGHTERS. Wlad being so big and enjoying a size advantage those guys cant outbox him. Yet they wouldnt try to press and push him and unravel him they try to box from the outside and they get picked off.

The guy that beats Wlad wont be a guy that out boxes him, its a guy who jumps in and presses and fights. Thats why fighters like David Haye and Chris Arreola are such intriguing matchups.

There going to try and fight and impose there will, there not safety 1st guys there the kind of exciting fighters that we come to enjoy from our Heavyweight Champion of the world. Its unimagineable to think a 6'7 240lb carved out of a statue physique who hits like a mule dosent finish a guy who he clearly out guns by a longshot, he dosent even try.

If Wlad was a Welterweight or Middle etc, than his style would be great, but he's the damn recognized HeavyWeight Champ of the world for Chrisesakes TRY TO FRIGGIN FIGHT!!!

Wlad hasnt even had a career defining fight that galvanizes his legacy.

Good post for the most part but I do ask about the fighter's who have jumped in and fought him, you mean too tell not one of them has already try this without Wlad knocking the shit out of them. Thing is yes maybe there would be fighter's who jump in like Haye or Arreola but it's the fact that the would be hit so cleanly and hard as hell they will basically unravel themselves saying "holy fuck I'd better not do that again" alas making their style and the fight reverert back to a "boring ass" Wlad controlled fight.

[JT Rock]

Everyone fails to recognize what Spicoli has said already. Wlad has a definitive comfort zone, when it is compromised he unravels. His only adjustment is to hold like he was clinging to a life preserver.

Those guys I mentioned came to fight.

Tyson
Lewis
Holyfield
Bowe
Moorer

Those guys were tough, had heart and a fighting spirit. The problem with the heavyweight division is, European fighters for the most part need to read there opposition from a comfort level and a distance.(Quote from Emmanuel Steward on how Ricky Hattons style was made to beat Tszyu)

Now when you look at the influx of European fighters that are in the Heavyweight division Chagaev, Imbragimov, Povetkin, Wlad Klitschko etc. They are good Boxers NOT GOOD FIGHTERS. Wlad being so big and enjoying a size advantage those guys cant outbox him. Yet they wouldnt try to press and push him and unravel him they try to box from the outside and they get picked off.

The guy that beats Wlad wont be a guy that out boxes him, its a guy who jumps in and presses and fights. Thats why fighters like David Haye and Chris Arreola are such intriguing matchups.

There going to try and fight and impose there will, there not safety 1st guys there the kind of exciting fighters that we come to enjoy from our Heavyweight Champion of the world. Its unimagineable to think a 6'7 240lb carved out of a statue physique who hits like a mule dosent finish a guy who he clearly out guns by a longshot, he dosent even try.

If Wlad was a Welterweight or Middle etc, than his style would be great, but he's the damn recognized HeavyWeight Champ of the world for Chrisesakes TRY TO FRIGGIN FIGHT!!!

Wlad hasnt even had a career defining fight that galvanizes his legacy.

Good post for the most part but I do ask about the fighter's who have jumped in and fought him, you mean too tell not one of them has already try this without Wlad knocking the shit out of them. Thing is yes maybe there would be fighter's who jump in like Haye or Arreola but it's the fact that the would be hit so cleanly and hard as hell they will basically unravel themselves saying "holy fuck I'd better not do that again" alas making their style and the fight reverert back to a "boring ass" Wlad controlled fight.

The point is the same as Sanders and Brewster. They sold out because they knew Wlad would unravel because of his chin and he did and will.

[The Fightfan]

Everyone fails to recognize what Spicoli has said already. Wlad has a definitive comfort zone, when it is compromised he unravels. His only adjustment is to hold like he was clinging to a life preserver.

Those guys I mentioned came to fight.

Tyson
Lewis
Holyfield
Bowe
Moorer

Those guys were tough, had heart and a fighting spirit. The problem with the heavyweight division is, European fighters for the most part need to read there opposition from a comfort level and a distance.(Quote from Emmanuel Steward on how Ricky Hattons style was made to beat Tszyu)

Now when you look at the influx of European fighters that are in the Heavyweight division Chagaev, Imbragimov, Povetkin, Wlad Klitschko etc. They are good Boxers NOT GOOD FIGHTERS. Wlad being so big and enjoying a size advantage those guys cant outbox him. Yet they wouldnt try to press and push him and unravel him they try to box from the outside and they get picked off.

The guy that beats Wlad wont be a guy that out boxes him, its a guy who jumps in and presses and fights. Thats why fighters like David Haye and Chris Arreola are such intriguing matchups.

There going to try and fight and impose there will, there not safety 1st guys there the kind of exciting fighters that we come to enjoy from our Heavyweight Champion of the world. Its unimagineable to think a 6'7 240lb carved out of a statue physique who hits like a mule dosent finish a guy who he clearly out guns by a longshot, he dosent even try.

If Wlad was a Welterweight or Middle etc, than his style would be great, but he's the damn recognized HeavyWeight Champ of the world for Chrisesakes TRY TO FRIGGIN FIGHT!!!

Wlad hasnt even had a career defining fight that galvanizes his legacy.

Good post for the most part but I do ask about the fighter's who have jumped in and fought him, you mean too tell not one of them has already try this without Wlad knocking the shit out of them. Thing is yes maybe there would be fighter's who jump in like Haye or Arreola but it's the fact that the would be hit so cleanly and hard as hell they will basically unravel themselves saying "holy fuck I'd better not do that again" alas making their style and the fight reverert back to a "boring ass" Wlad controlled fight.

The point is the same as Sanders and Brewster. They sold out because they knew Wlad would unravel because of his chin and he did and will.

But you do think Wlad has changed since those fight's ? The way he is fighting now is it not protecting his chin now? Those fight's were long ago and as of now he is on a roll and from what I believe exactley what Flores was saying he looks completley relaxed and confident. I think that is the difference between Wlad now and Wlad of a few years back.

[JT Rock]

Good post for the most part but I do ask about the fighter's who have jumped in and fought him, you mean too tell not one of them has already try this without Wlad knocking the shit out of them. Thing is yes maybe there would be fighter's who jump in like Haye or Arreola but it's the fact that the would be hit so cleanly and hard as hell they will basically unravel themselves saying "holy fuck I'd better not do that again" alas making their style and the fight reverert back to a "boring ass" Wlad controlled fight.

The point is the same as Sanders and Brewster. They sold out because they knew Wlad would unravel because of his chin and he did and will.

But you do think Wlad has changed since those fight's ? The way he is fighting now is it not protecting his chin now? Those fight's were long ago and as of now he is on a roll and from what I believe exactley what Flores was saying he looks completley relaxed and confident. I think that is the difference between Wlad now and Wlad of a few years back.

yea but no matter what you cant change your chin, you have one or you dont. he is confident because the fights are all the way he dictates the pace. Wlad's opponents try to out box him, they stay at the end of his jab and are dumb enough to circle to his right hand and boom, wash rinse and repeat. When Wlad fights a live body and a banger then we'll see how confident he is.

[El Kabong]

yea but no matter what you cant change your chin, you have one or you dont. he is confident because the fights are all the way he dictates the pace. Wlad's opponents try to out box him, they stay at the end of his jab and are dumb enough to circle to his right hand and boom, wash rinse and repeat. When Wlad fights a live body and a banger then we'll see how confident he is.

If you don't get hit then that really voids the whole chin issue then doesn't it

Brewster and Sanders "sold out"...well Corrie did it because he knew he had to get to him within the first couple of rounds or Corrie would be gased. Lamon did it out of dumbass luck...he let Wlad smash his face for 5 rounds until he tired himself out. Wlad fought Brewster again and look what happened, Wlad paced himself and Brewster got destroyed...if Wlad fought even a PRIME Corrie Sanders right now he'd have no issue with him he has probably fought and beaten more heavyweight southpaws (for title fights) than any other heavyweight champion in history and all that just since the loss to Corrie Sanders...none of them really bothered him and it's not because they were worse than Sanders it's because Wlad learned from his mistakes....some people are able to adapt and Wlad has done that. Ruslan Chagaev landed 1 meaningful punch on Wladimir.....1 and it didn't even phase him.

Wlad's CHIN isn't the issue it's how he deals with being hit...he has never been KO'd the way Hatton got KO'd by Pacquiao he has only been knocked down, he's always recovered decently, in the Sanders and Brewster fights he took some pretty damn big bombs and either took them standing up or got right back up after getting knocked down....Wlad just didn't know how to deal with fighting once his bell has been rung and NOW he just ties the guys up and viola he hasn't had trouble since then

[amat]

JT, how can you say this as a Floyd fan? I mean, I'm a Mayweather fan too and no Wlad fan, but Mayweather has at times been just as cautious as Wlad and Wlad at times has poured it on just as much as Mayweather ever has.

Also Holmcall, I disagree. While I found the other guy annoying, I thought B.J. did a great job commentating I was very impressed. I don't think he was calling the fight exciting but with more action then what might have been expected after the Sultan Ibragimov farce. There was greater skill there and I"m sure as a fighter, that's what B.J. was excited by. So just because you weren't seeing a great competitive battle or a great fight but good skills from a good heavyweight on display who executed his gameplan to perfection.

When things started getting repetitive he put the onus on Wlad to finish the fight, he started talking about the importance of a good finish at the very start of the 5th round. He also wanted more then the 1,2 and thought Wlad should have used his left hook more especially following the right hands that were landing to put some punches together. So it wasn't as if he didn't offer any critique.

I really didn't see him blowing smoke like others (on other boards too) did.