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    Default Re: B. J. Flores' comments on Wlad yesterday

    Quote Originally Posted by amat View Post
    JT, how can you say this as a Floyd fan? I mean, I'm a Mayweather fan too and no Wlad fan, but Mayweather has at times been just as cautious as Wlad and Wlad at times has poured it on just as much as Mayweather ever has.
    One. Mayweather rarely towers over his foes with a weight and massive reach advantage.

    Two. Mayweather is not a knockout puncher

    Three. Mayweather fights with a counter punching style not just because he doesn't have the power to stand and bang with someone but because of his fragile hands. Mayweather has reason to be cautious because he isn't the biggest or hardest punching guy in there, he often isn't the bigger guy in the ring, and everyone he fights is basically more often then not the same size as him or bigger.


    Wladimer has height, reach, youth, athleticism, speed and power over EVERY heavyweight he faces so what does he have to be cautious about?
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    Default Re: B. J. Flores' comments on Wlad yesterday

    He's fighting smart Majesty.

    Riddle me this, if Wladimir fought more the style that he did Saturday vs Corrie Sanders or Lamon Brewster would he have a better or worse chance of winning a fight?

    If Wladimir threw caution to the wind and went out there "guns a blazin" how many fights could he win and how many could he lose??

    Wladimir isn't fighting the way he is because that's the way people want to see it he's fighting the way that is best suited for him and his physical/mental attributes and this is why he is so dominant.

    Would Kareem Abdul-Jabaar been as dominant without the sky hook? Would Shaq have been as great without using his natural physical attributes? Would Floyd Mayweather be great if he didn't use any defense?? Would Babe Ruth have been great if you told him to ONLY hit for average

    Wlad is just using his physical advantages AND his mind to overcome his opponents he's a very gifted athlete and smart fighter.

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    Default Re: B. J. Flores' comments on Wlad yesterday

    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by amat View Post
    JT, how can you say this as a Floyd fan? I mean, I'm a Mayweather fan too and no Wlad fan, but Mayweather has at times been just as cautious as Wlad and Wlad at times has poured it on just as much as Mayweather ever has.
    One. Mayweather rarely towers over his foes with a weight and massive reach advantage.

    Two. Mayweather is not a knockout puncher

    Three. Mayweather fights with a counter punching style not just because he doesn't have the power to stand and bang with someone but because of his fragile hands. Mayweather has reason to be cautious because he isn't the biggest or hardest punching guy in there, he often isn't the bigger guy in the ring, and everyone he fights is basically more often then not the same size as him or bigger.


    Wladimer has height, reach, youth, athleticism, speed and power over EVERY heavyweight he faces so what does he have to be cautious about?
    BOOYEA! Game set, match Amat! Majesty couldnt have said it any better.

    I addressed this already in an earlier post, if Wlad was in a lower weight his style would be great if he was a welter or middle, since the physical advantages arent as dramatic.

    Lyle I have no problem with Wlad starting a fight Jabbing and 1-2 for a few rounds, since I agree it's absolute presicion and a thing of beauty and I am a fan of that brand of fighting.

    BUT

    My only issue with Wlad is when its obvious early that he has stifled the guy with a jab, hammered him with a few rights and has them on the backfoot he dosent go for the kill when there is blood in the water, no bodywork, no hooks no killer instinct just repetitive jabs. No one is advocating a Tyson approach were he runs out in the middle of the ring and blitzes his opponent. He would be more appealing if he put his foot on the gas when its obvious his fights could be over in 3-4 rounds instead of 8-9.

    I'll even venture a guess and say Wlad hasnt lost a round in a fight since Peter dropped him 3 times back in 05. Bottomline is Wlad should shift gears faster against guys that he clearly outguns and is dominating.

    Thats why I am not a fan of his, I believe his chin and mental state is that fragile that he wont try to finish guys like Chageav, Rahman, Byrd, Imbragimov

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    Default Re: B. J. Flores' comments on Wlad yesterday

    Quote Originally Posted by JT Rock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by amat View Post
    JT, how can you say this as a Floyd fan? I mean, I'm a Mayweather fan too and no Wlad fan, but Mayweather has at times been just as cautious as Wlad and Wlad at times has poured it on just as much as Mayweather ever has.
    One. Mayweather rarely towers over his foes with a weight and massive reach advantage.

    Two. Mayweather is not a knockout puncher

    Three. Mayweather fights with a counter punching style not just because he doesn't have the power to stand and bang with someone but because of his fragile hands. Mayweather has reason to be cautious because he isn't the biggest or hardest punching guy in there, he often isn't the bigger guy in the ring, and everyone he fights is basically more often then not the same size as him or bigger.


    Wladimer has height, reach, youth, athleticism, speed and power over EVERY heavyweight he faces so what does he have to be cautious about?
    BOOYEA! Game set, match Amat! Majesty couldnt have said it any better.

    I addressed this already in an earlier post, if Wlad was in a lower weight his style would be great if he was a welter or middle, since the physical advantages arent as dramatic.

    Lyle I have no problem with Wlad starting a fight Jabbing and 1-2 for a few rounds, since I agree it's absolute presicion and a thing of beauty and I am a fan of that brand of fighting.

    BUT

    My only issue with Wlad is when its obvious early that he has stifled the guy with a jab, hammered him with a few rights and has them on the backfoot he dosent go for the kill when there is blood in the water, no bodywork, no hooks no killer instinct just repetitive jabs. No one is advocating a Tyson approach were he runs out in the middle of the ring and blitzes his opponent. He would be more appealing if he put his foot on the gas when its obvious his fights could be over in 3-4 rounds instead of 8-9.

    I'll even venture a guess and say Wlad hasnt lost a round in a fight since Peter dropped him 3 times back in 05. Bottomline is Wlad should shift gears faster against guys that he clearly outguns and is dominating.

    Thats why I am not a fan of his, I believe his chin and mental state is that fragile that he wont try to finish guys like Chageav, Rahman, Byrd, Imbragimov

    Since when is the name of the game finishing a guy? And btw, he finished every single one of those you mentioned except Ibragimov, so what you are talking about? Really, he may not have poured it on for you enough but he definitely poured it on enough for all those guys who were actually in the ring against him. And as far as I'm concerned that's what matters.

    I am no Wlad fan, I actually consider him one dimensional and I loathed his performance in the Ibragimov fight with all the holding. But the Wlad that faced Chagaev was an improved product who did almost no holding and when he had the opportunity to fire the right hand, he did. It wasn't perfect, could have been more punches but he punished the guy and never really gave the guy an opportunity to win. I'm sorry for not finding as many flaws in a performance where the opponent probably didn't land more then 10 clean punches the entire fight as others. The nitpicking is at an all time high here.

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    Default Re: B. J. Flores' comments on Wlad yesterday

    Quote Originally Posted by amat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JT Rock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post

    One. Mayweather rarely towers over his foes with a weight and massive reach advantage.

    Two. Mayweather is not a knockout puncher

    Three. Mayweather fights with a counter punching style not just because he doesn't have the power to stand and bang with someone but because of his fragile hands. Mayweather has reason to be cautious because he isn't the biggest or hardest punching guy in there, he often isn't the bigger guy in the ring, and everyone he fights is basically more often then not the same size as him or bigger.


    Wladimer has height, reach, youth, athleticism, speed and power over EVERY heavyweight he faces so what does he have to be cautious about?
    BOOYEA! Game set, match Amat! Majesty couldnt have said it any better.

    I addressed this already in an earlier post, if Wlad was in a lower weight his style would be great if he was a welter or middle, since the physical advantages arent as dramatic.

    Lyle I have no problem with Wlad starting a fight Jabbing and 1-2 for a few rounds, since I agree it's absolute presicion and a thing of beauty and I am a fan of that brand of fighting.

    BUT

    My only issue with Wlad is when its obvious early that he has stifled the guy with a jab, hammered him with a few rights and has them on the backfoot he dosent go for the kill when there is blood in the water, no bodywork, no hooks no killer instinct just repetitive jabs. No one is advocating a Tyson approach were he runs out in the middle of the ring and blitzes his opponent. He would be more appealing if he put his foot on the gas when its obvious his fights could be over in 3-4 rounds instead of 8-9.

    I'll even venture a guess and say Wlad hasnt lost a round in a fight since Peter dropped him 3 times back in 05. Bottomline is Wlad should shift gears faster against guys that he clearly outguns and is dominating.

    Thats why I am not a fan of his, I believe his chin and mental state is that fragile that he wont try to finish guys like Chageav, Rahman, Byrd, Imbragimov

    Since when is the name of the game finishing a guy? And btw, he finished every single one of those you mentioned except Ibragimov, so what you are talking about? Really, he may not have poured it on for you enough but he definitely poured it on enough for all those guys who were actually in the ring against him. And as far as I'm concerned that's what matters.

    I am no Wlad fan, I actually consider him one dimensional and I loathed his performance in the Ibragimov fight with all the holding. But the Wlad that faced Chagaev was an improved product who did almost no holding and when he had the opportunity to fire the right hand, he did. It wasn't perfect, could have been more punches but he punished the guy and never really gave the guy an opportunity to win. I'm sorry for not finding as many flaws in a performance where the opponent probably didn't land more then 10 clean punches the entire fight as others. The nitpicking is at an all time high here.
    Finishing a guy that is there for the taking, is what people come to expect in a Heavyweight Champ and you know that.

    Its no secret that the majority grow tired of Wlads cautious approach when he is more than capable of putting guys away 3-4 rounds earlier if he opened up a bit, like already mentioned he enjoys dramatic differences in power, height and weight 99% of the time.

    Yes he's winning and thats what counts at the end of the day, but most fans grow weary and restless of the Jabaholic.

    Quick question, when was the last time Wlad fought on a US PPV telecast? I know we arent the only boxing fans in the world and he is popular in europe but can you answer that?

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