Insights on the PAC-COTTO Catchweight match

[generalbulldog]

Well, the 7 weight class thing is not what people play it out to be. Pac started pro at the age of 15 years old. So naturally most people are going to grow a significant range from 15 years old to 30 years old. From 16-30 years old I won amateur tournaments from 106lbs. to 147lbs.in every weight class between. If I would've been a bigger guy then that many weight classes couldn't have been possible. At the lighter weight classes in the pros its even more possible because they are only 3 to 4 pounds apart. Pac won titles from 112 to 140. Thats only 28 pounds from being a teenager to being in your 30s. People are looking at the weight classes instead of seeing the fact that it is only 28 pounds. Many fighters have done that. If all the upper weight classes were separated by even 3 to 7 lbs. then RJJ and others would've been a 10 weight class champ. Pac fought from 105-147. There are 11 weight classes in that 41 pound difference. Fighters don't make the weight classes or their genes. Only small guys can fight in that many weight classes because of the format. I think Pac is the best fighter in the world right now but what people are getting riled up about is that if you want to win a welterweight title then it should be at 147. How fair is it to have Mosley, Cotto, or a Williams come below 147 and still put their welterweight title on the line? Its a farce. And believe me on this...when you are cutting weight tooth and nail every little last ounce hurts. 2lbs. will be a factor against Cotto, a guy who barely makes 147. If it wasn't a factor then why would Roach be adamant about the catchweight? He fought DLH at 147 with huge success. But Roach knows DLH was not effective at welterweight and Cotto and Mosley are. Roach said clearly that he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except PBF. So the weight drain is the factor Roach is trying to implement. Lets be real about that and less people will keep arguing this obvious move. Like I said, Pac is the best and so is Roach but call it what it is. They want the bigger names but not the bigger guy.

This is one lameass post. I'm pretty sure everyone around here knows I'm not a Pac fan but this post at first you suggested like a few pounds isn't that much of a difference in the lower weight classes and then near the end of the post you're saying 2 pounds is too much for Cotto. I've heard that there are no titles on the line, if so then I have no problem with it being at a catch weight. If Cotto was 146 for the Clottey fight, he can make 144 which imo is fair to both sides.

No one complained about the Hopkins-Pavlik fight being at a catchweight right? Because that wasn't for a title.

Maybe its lame because you misunderstood. I am a Pac fan but I keep it factual. I never said a few pounds in the lower weights weren't anything. Nice try. A few pounds is a big difference and I stand by that. You've obviously never cut weight before. Hell, in the lower weight classes even the weight classes themselves are separated by a few pounds. If a few pounds is nothing then why is Roach and Pac adamant about the catchweight? What I also said was if the fight is going to be for Pac's so called 7th weight class title then it needs to be at welterweight, 147. Otherwise it is just a fight just like Hopkins/Pavlik.

Let's dissect your previous post.

Well, the 7 weight class thing is not what people play it out to be.

At the lighter weight classes in the pros its even more possible because they are only 3 to 4 pounds apart.

Pac won titles from 112 to 140. Thats only 28 pounds from being a teenager to being in your 30s. People are looking at the weight classes instead of seeing the fact that it is only 28 pounds.

You didn't say it straight out, but you're implying that the lower weight classes since it being only 3-4 pounds apart is easy for anyone to do what Pacman did. You keep on bringing up it's only 28 pounds apart in so many weight divisions. As if it being such an easy thing, because the lower weight divisions are only a few pounds apart. Nice try in trying to back track.

You are basically saying since the lower weight classes are only a few pounds apart it doesn't really matter and is very easy to do. I mean it's only 28 pounds right? You keep on saying 28 pounds is easy. But then bring up Cotto is at an unfair disadvantage because he has to shed 2 pounds.

That's why it's lame. It's inconsistent as hell.

[blegit]

This is one lameass post. I'm pretty sure everyone around here knows I'm not a Pac fan but this post at first you suggested like a few pounds isn't that much of a difference in the lower weight classes and then near the end of the post you're saying 2 pounds is too much for Cotto. I've heard that there are no titles on the line, if so then I have no problem with it being at a catch weight. If Cotto was 146 for the Clottey fight, he can make 144 which imo is fair to both sides.

No one complained about the Hopkins-Pavlik fight being at a catchweight right? Because that wasn't for a title.

Maybe its lame because you misunderstood. I am a Pac fan but I keep it factual. I never said a few pounds in the lower weights weren't anything. Nice try. A few pounds is a big difference and I stand by that. You've obviously never cut weight before. Hell, in the lower weight classes even the weight classes themselves are separated by a few pounds. If a few pounds is nothing then why is Roach and Pac adamant about the catchweight? What I also said was if the fight is going to be for Pac's so called 7th weight class title then it needs to be at welterweight, 147. Otherwise it is just a fight just like Hopkins/Pavlik.

Let's dissect your previous post.

At the lighter weight classes in the pros its even more possible because they are only 3 to 4 pounds apart.

Pac won titles from 112 to 140. Thats only 28 pounds from being a teenager to being in your 30s. People are looking at the weight classes instead of seeing the fact that it is only 28 pounds.

You didn't say it straight out, but you're implying that the lower weight classes since it being only 3-4 pounds apart is easy for anyone to do what Pacman did. You keep on bringing up it's only 28 pounds apart in so many weight divisions. As if it being such an easy thing, because the lower weight divisions are only a few pounds apart. Nice try in trying to back track.

You are basically saying since the lower weight classes are only a few pounds apart it doesn't really matter and is very easy to do. I mean it's only 28 pounds right? You keep on saying 28 pounds is easy. But then bring up Cotto is at an unfair disadvantage because he has to shed 2 pounds.

That's why it's lame. It's inconsistent as hell.

Here is what you're not understanding. Relativity! Pac is not leaping 28 pounds all at once it was over a period of 15 years. Thats what makes the 28 not a lot. Less than 2 pounds gain a year. 28 pounds is a lot by itself but when only 28 pounds separates an entire 8 different weight classes it is not a lot! Come on kid, I know you don't want to be wrong but I fought in every weight class from 106 to 147 and going up is a lot easier than going down. If you ever cut weight then you would know if you are having trouble making 147 then 144 or 145 will be hell. That is when 2 or 3 pounds becomes a lot. Relativity! Roach knows this he's the best trainer in the world.

[blegit]

A couple of pounds are a lot when you're dealing with certain people who are full blown at their weight class. That is why Roach is adamant about the catchweight with Cotto and Mosley. I'm the only Pac fan recognizing this and looking at it the other way. People are saying the few pounds aren't a factor or an excuse. Roach said he is willing to go there for PBF then where is this willingness to go to 147 for Mosley or Cotto? ANSWER: Cotto and Mosley are much more effective at 147 then 144.