I wish Jack Johnson was alive

[El Kabong]

Oh yes blame it on the black and white video....that is lame as hell. Joe Louis' and Rocky Marciano's and Sonny Liston's fights were in black and white and Tyson said nothing of those.

Was Jack Johnson more exciting than Wladimir when he went 20 rounds without getting a KO He was big and strong and everything, but 72 wins 39 KO's in a time of 15-20 round fights. He (much like Wladimir) liked to dominate his opponents and very seldom he leveled them with 1 big punch (Wlad has done the same and recently to Ray Austin) and yet here we are singing the praises of Jack Johnson and complaining about Wladimir, instead of respecting what Wlad does in the ring.

Did I mention Haye in my last post No and the only reason I mention him right now is to point out to you that I didn't mention him in the previous post. You bringing him up again might just incite another rant

[JazMerkin]

Oh yes blame it on the black and white video....that is lame as hell. Joe Louis' and Rocky Marciano's and Sonny Liston's fights were in black and white and Tyson said nothing of those.

Was Jack Johnson more exciting than Wladimir when he went 20 rounds without getting a KO He was big and strong and everything, but 72 wins 39 KO's in a time of 15-20 round fights. He (much like Wladimir) liked to dominate his opponents and very seldom he leveled them with 1 big punch (Wlad has done the same and recently to Ray Austin) and yet here we are singing the praises of Jack Johnson and complaining about Wladimir, instead of respecting what Wlad does in the ring.

Did I mention Haye in my last post No and the only reason I mention him right now is to point out to you that I didn't mention him in the previous post. You bringing him up again might just incite another rant

Get that chip off your shoulder about Wlad, and earlier you mentioned Haye completely unneccesarily, and you've done it a number of times, it's getting irritating, I'm sure you did it in the off-topic section the other day.

The video from Johnson's time was of far poorer quality than that of Marciano and Louis where the fighters were more clear to see. I have no problem with Wlad and think he's an excellent fighter but with all the advantages he enjoys over opponents (size, athleticism, strength, technique and often speed) it would be nice to see him do just a little bit more sometimes.

[El Kabong]

We're talking about heavyweights correct? Then why would any comment about David Haye be out of bounds or off topic?

[JazMerkin]

We're talking about heavyweights correct? Then why would any comment about David Haye be out of bounds or off topic?

Because you're relentlessly mentioning him. I meant you mentioned him in the off-topic section, I'll admit some of the hype he's been getting has been ridiculous, but just don't feed into it unless you're that desperate to talk about him

[El Kabong]

But this isn't the Off Topic forum and this thread IS about heavyweight ergo wouldn't this be the place for me to post about David Haye? I mean it would be in a place where you could avoid reading about him and all.

[JazMerkin]

But this isn't the Off Topic forum and this thread IS about heavyweight ergo wouldn't this be the place for me to post about David Haye? I mean it would be in a place where you could avoid reading about him and all.

But the thing is, and I know you'll agree with this, but David Haye IS NOT the HW division. It seems we can't discuss HWs without Haye getting mentioned, often by you, and as he hasn't done enough in the division, why do we have to mention him every time any HWs get mentioned. Wlad has earnt the right to at least be discussed in context with great HWs of the past, Haye hasn't so let's leave him out of discussions about Jack Johnson

[rjj tszyu]

But this isn't the Off Topic forum and this thread IS about heavyweight ergo wouldn't this be the place for me to post about David Haye? I mean it would be in a place where you could avoid reading about him and all.

But the thing is, and I know you'll agree with this, but David Haye IS NOT the HW division. It seems we can't discuss HWs without Haye getting mentioned, often by you, and as he hasn't done enough in the division, why do we have to mention him every time any HWs get mentioned. Wlad has earnt the right to at least be discussed in context with great HWs of the past, Haye hasn't so let's leave him out of discussions about Jack Johnson

Spot on my friend. Until Haye proves his greatness by KOing Wlad lets leave him out of Jack Johnsons thread and just keep with the topic

[El Kabong]

But the thing is, and I know you'll agree with this, but David Haye IS NOT the HW division. It seems we can't discuss HWs without Haye getting mentioned, often by you, and as he hasn't done enough in the division, why do we have to mention him every time any HWs get mentioned. Wlad has earnt the right to at least be discussed in context with great HWs of the past, Haye hasn't so let's leave him out of discussions about Jack Johnson

The only reason you guys want to compare Wlad with the greats is to bitch and moan about him so if you're thinking that reading about David Haye and how much I hate him is annoying and you want me to lay off, then I'd oblige you if the people who dislike Wladimir would stop knocking him all the time.

[rjj tszyu]

We're talking about heavyweights correct? Then why would any comment about David Haye be out of bounds or off topic?

Because you're relentlessly mentioning him. I meant you mentioned him in the off-topic section, I'll admit some of the hype he's been getting has been ridiculous, but just don't feed into it unless you're that desperate to talk about him

He has a point Lyle. You seem obsessed by David Haye and his downfall, If you don't like the guy thats fair enough, I don't particuarly like Mike Tyson but I don't bring him up every other post I make and I respect that the guy was a professional athlete just like Haye and Wlad.