Can one really be ranked P4P when you demand catch weights?

[Kev]

catchweights have nothing to do with p4p rankings.

I have no problem with fighters that agree with each other fighting at whatever weight. As brought up before my only problem is the title that's on the line.

Have always thought the p4p a media frenzy...a tag line for quick consumption that is extremly subjective.A dominate and defending fighter meeting his biggest challenges in a given division is what we need. Shite....people focus on a catchweight prior to a bout but how about the actual "unofficial' weight of each fighter once the bell rings.A catchweight too and fro.

Why does it really matter what weight the fight is at, what belt is on the line, what division (or not) that the fight is being held?

What's important is that the best fight each other.

If Manny were to fight Floyd, Shane or Miguel at a catchweight I don't care less. All I care about is that they fight at the best weight that will give us the best fight!

If Manny is too small at 147 let them fight at 143, I don't care if he's fighting for a world title really, it doesn't make the fight any less important, or more importantly entertaining, and that ultimately is all I care about.

[JonesJrMayweather]

catchweights have nothing to do with p4p rankings.

I have no problem with fighters that agree with each other fighting at whatever weight. As brought up before my only problem is the title that's on the line.

Have always thought the p4p a media frenzy...a tag line for quick consumption that is extremly subjective.A dominate and defending fighter meeting his biggest challenges in a given division is what we need. Shite....people focus on a catchweight prior to a bout but how about the actual "unofficial' weight of each fighter once the bell rings.A catchweight too and fro.

Why does it really matter what weight the fight is at, what belt is on the line, what division (or not) that the fight is being held?

What's important is that the best fight each other.

If Manny were to fight Floyd, Shane or Miguel at a catchweight I don't care less. All I care about is that they fight at the best weight that will give us the best fight!

If Manny is too small at 147 let them fight at 143, I don't care if he's fighting for a world title really, it doesn't make the fight any less important, or more importantly entertaining, and that ultimately is all I care about.

I agree that the best fights should be made, but if 143 is too light for the bigger guys then what?

[generalbulldog]

I admit I did complained when I thought the titles were on the line for the catchweight,but thinking about it now people like Bilbo has a point. I just want to see great fighters fight. So a healthy weight for both at a catch weight is fine.

I mean did anyone really complain when JCC fought Whitaker at a catchweight? Or how about Hopkins and Oscar DLH? How about Pavlik-Hopkins?

In this day and age when there are so many championships per division, it really doesn't matter anymore about a title. It just lost it's luster with so many champions per division.

[brucelee]

I admit I did complained when I thought the titles were on the line for the catchweight,but thinking about it now people like Bilbo has a point. I just want to see great fighters fight. So a healthy weight for both at a catch weight is fine.

I mean did anyone really complain when JCC fought Whitaker at a catchweight? Or how about Hopkins and Oscar DLH? How about Pavlik-Hopkins?

In this day and age when there are so many championships per division, it really doesn't matter anymore about a title. It just lost it's luster with so many champions per division.

well said. nice point.

[Kev]

Have always thought the p4p a media frenzy...a tag line for quick consumption that is extremly subjective.A dominate and defending fighter meeting his biggest challenges in a given division is what we need. Shite....people focus on a catchweight prior to a bout but how about the actual "unofficial' weight of each fighter once the bell rings.A catchweight too and fro.

Why does it really matter what weight the fight is at, what belt is on the line, what division (or not) that the fight is being held?

What's important is that the best fight each other.

If Manny were to fight Floyd, Shane or Miguel at a catchweight I don't care less. All I care about is that they fight at the best weight that will give us the best fight!

If Manny is too small at 147 let them fight at 143, I don't care if he's fighting for a world title really, it doesn't make the fight any less important, or more importantly entertaining, and that ultimately is all I care about.

I agree that the best fights should be made, but if 143 is too light for the bigger guys then what?

Well obviously if they feel that is too light they don't agree to fight there! It's all about increasing options. If Manny feels he's at too much of a disadvantage to fight guys like Cotto and Mosely at 147 lbs then the fight ain't going to happen.

BUT if there is the possibility of the two fighters negotiating an agreed weight between themselves the chances of the fight happening are greatly increased!

I can understand the argument that fighting in a proper weight class is the ideal but why on earth would anyone put the importance of fighters sticking to weight classes above the fights happening in the first place, as I said before it's such a ridiculous mindset!

In all seriousness if the fights can't happen at 147 lbs because Manny feels he's too disadvantaged are some of you guys saying you would rather not have the fight at all then let the fighters agree a weight suitable to both so the fight can happen

If any of you really value the importance of fighting in strict weight classes over the importance of the best fights being made at all I put it to you in the nicest possible way that you are freaking nuts!

[JonesJrMayweather]

Why does it really matter what weight the fight is at, what belt is on the line, what division (or not) that the fight is being held?

What's important is that the best fight each other.

If Manny were to fight Floyd, Shane or Miguel at a catchweight I don't care less. All I care about is that they fight at the best weight that will give us the best fight!

If Manny is too small at 147 let them fight at 143, I don't care if he's fighting for a world title really, it doesn't make the fight any less important, or more importantly entertaining, and that ultimately is all I care about.

I agree that the best fights should be made, but if 143 is too light for the bigger guys then what?

Well obviously if they feel that is too light they don't agree to fight there! It's all about increasing options. If Manny feels he's at too much of a disadvantage to fight guys like Cotto and Mosely at 147 lbs then the fight ain't going to happen.

BUT if there is the possibility of the two fighters negotiating an agreed weight between themselves the chances of the fight happening are greatly increased!

I can understand the argument that fighting in a proper weight class is the ideal but why on earth would anyone put the importance of fighters sticking to weight classes above the fights happening in the first place, as I said before it's such a ridiculous mindset!

In all seriousness if the fights can't happen at 147 lbs because Manny feels he's too disadvantaged are some of you guys saying you would rather not have the fight at all then let the fighters agree a weight suitable to both so the fight can happen

If any of you really value the importance of fighting in strict weight classes over the importance of the best fights being made at all I put it to you in the nicest possible way that you are freaking nuts!

I'm just not up for watching another pac v delahoya..that was some bullshit and if there's a chance that any of the welters could come in looking like that then I'd rather manny stick to 140 or below and the WW's fight each other...there are still good and better fights to be made at WW without manny..so

[Kev]

I agree that the best fights should be made, but if 143 is too light for the bigger guys then what?

Well obviously if they feel that is too light they don't agree to fight there! It's all about increasing options. If Manny feels he's at too much of a disadvantage to fight guys like Cotto and Mosely at 147 lbs then the fight ain't going to happen.

BUT if there is the possibility of the two fighters negotiating an agreed weight between themselves the chances of the fight happening are greatly increased!

I can understand the argument that fighting in a proper weight class is the ideal but why on earth would anyone put the importance of fighters sticking to weight classes above the fights happening in the first place, as I said before it's such a ridiculous mindset!

In all seriousness if the fights can't happen at 147 lbs because Manny feels he's too disadvantaged are some of you guys saying you would rather not have the fight at all then let the fighters agree a weight suitable to both so the fight can happen

If any of you really value the importance of fighting in strict weight classes over the importance of the best fights being made at all I put it to you in the nicest possible way that you are freaking nuts!

I'm just not up for watching another pac v delahoya..that was some bullshit and if there's a chance that any of the welters could come in looking like that then I'd rather manny stick to 140 or below and the WW's fight each other...there are still good and better fights to be made at WW without manny..so

Asking Cotto to give up 4 maybe even just 3 lbs is hardly another De La Hoya. Oscar came down an entire weight class that he hadn't fought in for 8 years! In fact he didn't even go down to 147, he weighed in at 142!!

Cotto was fighting at 140 only 3 years ago and being 7 years younger than Oscar doesn't have the slowed metabolism that Oscar has.

It's no way comparable, not even close.

[Pavlik]

IMHO if PAC was not succesful in destroying both ODLH and Hatton this catchweight topics will not even be brought up. Obviously alot of people is threatened by PAC. Give the guy a break he will lose too, sometime.

[Kev]

IMHO if PAC was not succesful in destroying both ODLH and Hatton this catchweight topics will not even be brought up. Obviously alot of people is threatened by PAC. Give the guy a break he will lose too, sometime.

Good point and Oscar Pac wasn't even a catchweight fight! They fought at 147 lbs, a legit weight class.

A catchweight would have been between 147 and 154 and better for Oscar and for fightfans

[Taeth]

This thread is so stupid Manny isn't too small for 147, and he will prove that when he beats Miguel Cotto, the best WW in the world, at 147.

[JonesJrMayweather]

This thread is so stupid Manny isn't too small for 147, and he will prove that when he beats Miguel Cotto, the best WW in the world, at 147.

how's he going to do that by fight at 144?

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

This thread is so stupid Manny isn't too small for 147, and he will prove that when he beats Miguel Cotto, the best WW in the world, at 147.

You know what? Your probably right!

Good luck to him..
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Bilbo's Mom?1 WTF?! LMAO!!!

[Spicoli]

catchweights have nothing to do with p4p rankings.

I have no problem with fighters that agree with each other fighting at whatever weight. As brought up before my only problem is the title that's on the line.

Have always thought the p4p a media frenzy...a tag line for quick consumption that is extremely subjective.A dominate and defending fighter meeting his biggest challenges in a given division is what we need. Shite....people focus on a catch weight prior to a bout but how about the actual "unofficial' weight of each fighter once the bell rings.A catch weight too and fro.

Why does it really matter what weight the fight is at, what belt is on the line, what division (or not) that the fight is being held?

What's important is that the best fight each other.

If Manny were to fight Floyd, Shane or Miguel at a catch weight I don't care less. All I care about is that they fight at the best weight that will give us the best fight!

If Manny is too small at 147 let them fight at 143, I don't care if he's fighting for a world title really, it doesn't make the fight any less important, or more importantly entertaining, and that ultimately is all I care about.

Thats where I differ on exactly what the best fight possible is exactly.I think we are getting way to caught up in the rush and the almost manufacturing of 'the best fighting the best' boosted by the mythical p4p throne.History is littered with guys meeting outside of their 'natural' weight classes but as of late it is overdone and almost has a circus type of feel.The haggling and splitting hairs over the current catch weight BS.If it is that much of a parlor game and problem for camps/fighters to agree....it may just be an indicator that some proposed fights are not meant to be....or simply that the warranted concerns are not worth it to some fighters.I'm a firm believer in guys taking care of the legitimate threats within a respected weight range in division first and foremost.Years later if you want to be called the best middleweight etc.....you had better of contested with the best to be found in the era prior to division leaping for mega-ultra-super-dooper name attractions.

I'll take the bait as coincidentally the name missing from Mannys proposed threats you mentioned is that of the man who has given him his toughest scraps and his most heated rival recently...Marquez.I might be in the minority...but that is the fight that needs to happen if its close competitive fan friendly and entertaining matches that I'm looking for.Far more than a Oscar/Pacquioa fight and I believe far more than a Marquez/Mayweather fight.