Yes or No Poll regarding Catchweights

[paddy448]

I voted YES. But it should be a non-title.

i agree

[Pavlik]

If DelaHoya and Hopkins fought for the Middleweight championship at 158 lbs. instead of 160 pound limit then why can't Pacquiao-Cotto fight in a catchweight?

[generalbulldog]

If DelaHoya and Hopkins fought for the Middleweight championship at 158 lbs. instead of 160 pound limit then why can't Pacquiao-Cotto fight in a catchweight?

Because besides Pacman fans no one likes Pacman. And the reason is their fans.

Of course this also applies to other fighter's fan base too. But that's the reason, a lot of people hate Pacman because of his fans so it's not okay for him to fight at a catchweight but other guys have.

You guys can blame yourself for it. Although a lot of boxing fans don't like Hatton and Khan also. Another uninformed fanbase.

[ICB]

If DelaHoya and Hopkins fought for the Middleweight championship at 158 lbs. instead of 160 pound limit then why can't Pacquiao-Cotto fight in a catchweight?

Because besides Pacman fans no one likes Pacman. And the reason is their fans.

Of course this also applies to other fighter's fan base too. But that's the reason, a lot of people hate Pacman because of his fans so it's not okay for him to fight at a catchweight but other guys have.

You guys can blame yourself for it. Although a lot of boxing fans don't like Hatton and Khan also. Another uninformed fanbase.

Well i like and respect Manny Pacquiao, even though im a fan of JMM. I still admire the amount of balls Manny Pacquiao is showing taking all these fights, and i love his exciting style.

I can't really understand how anyone couldn't like Manny Pacquiao, obviously alot of his fans are going to go. Over the top because they haven't really got alot of sporting greats at the moment.

And thats no disrespect to the Filipino people, by the way and im no expert on your country. So if im wrong please tell me but thats what i think anyway.

So i now i've just learnt to excuse some of his fans, and just enjoy what a great fighter we have at the moment. I mean the amount of titles he's won at all those weightclasses is incredible.

You may not see a fighter like this for years or maybe even decades to come, so enjoy it while your in this era. And don't be silly enough to let the fans spoil your enjoyment for a fighter.

[Gandalf]

I voted no because I really don't see the point in catch weights. We have a perfectly good system in place. If a fighter cannot fight at 147 then just clean up at 140. I find the example of Pac possibly fighting Cotto at 143/144 so cynical and just don't think that type of thing adds anything to the sport.In that case I would prefer the fight not to happen and for Pac to chase smaller purses at 140 instead. Now if he was willing go up to the next weight properly then that would be cool, but if he can't do that then I don't see the point.

[CGM]

I'd say if they want to call it a title fight, then don't have the catchweight. If PAC is saying he can't compete at welterweight so he needs a catchweight, then he has no business fighting for a welterweight title. And this so called record he sets by being in a champ in another division really won't have much meaning. I suppose a catchweight is ok if they call it a non-title fight, except I don't think it is good for the sport to have a champion fight a non-title fight. Problem is imo that a fighter demanding a catchweight usually indicates they think they are bigger than the sport, and that's never a good thing.

So I say no.

[generalbulldog]

If DelaHoya and Hopkins fought for the Middleweight championship at 158 lbs. instead of 160 pound limit then why can't Pacquiao-Cotto fight in a catchweight?

Because besides Pacman fans no one likes Pacman. And the reason is their fans.

Of course this also applies to other fighter's fan base too. But that's the reason, a lot of people hate Pacman because of his fans so it's not okay for him to fight at a catchweight but other guys have.

You guys can blame yourself for it. Although a lot of boxing fans don't like Hatton and Khan also. Another uninformed fanbase.

Well i like and respect Manny Pacquiao, even though im a fan of JMM. I still admire the amount of balls Manny Pacquiao is showing taking all these fights, and i love his exciting style.

I can't really understand how anyone couldn't like Manny Pacquiao, obviously alot of his fans are going to go. Over the top because they haven't really got alot of sporting greats at the moment.

And thats no disrespect to the Filipino people, by the way and im no expert on your country. So if im wrong please tell me but thats what i think anyway.

So i now i've just learnt to excuse some of his fans, and just enjoy what a great fighter we have at the moment. I mean the amount of titles he's won at all those weightclasses is incredible.

You may not see a fighter like this for years or maybe even decades to come, so enjoy it while your in this era. And don't be silly enough to let the fans spoil your enjoyment for a fighter.

The Manny Pacquiaos aren't really that rare in my opinion. We tend to have a few in every decade of the sport. Roy Jones started his career at 154 and then went on to win every title in his division including one of the alphabet HW titles. Oscar won titles starting at 130 all the way to 160. Floyd won titles at 130 all the way to 154. Duran won titles as a LW all the way to middleweight.

Pacman has a good career, but nothing unique.

[Nameless]

I am for catch weight over some conditions; First, a catch weight must be a catch weight, not a stupid trap to take significant advantage over a named opponent. Second, a fighter should not make a career fighting catch weights, it should be something occasional to allow some interesting events to happen. When these things are over abused or when it privileges a boxer too much, it losts all its sense.

[ICB]

Because besides Pacman fans no one likes Pacman. And the reason is their fans.

Of course this also applies to other fighter's fan base too. But that's the reason, a lot of people hate Pacman because of his fans so it's not okay for him to fight at a catchweight but other guys have.

You guys can blame yourself for it. Although a lot of boxing fans don't like Hatton and Khan also. Another uninformed fanbase.

Well i like and respect Manny Pacquiao, even though im a fan of JMM. I still admire the amount of balls Manny Pacquiao is showing taking all these fights, and i love his exciting style.

I can't really understand how anyone couldn't like Manny Pacquiao, obviously alot of his fans are going to go. Over the top because they haven't really got alot of sporting greats at the moment.

And thats no disrespect to the Filipino people, by the way and im no expert on your country. So if im wrong please tell me but thats what i think anyway.

So i now i've just learnt to excuse some of his fans, and just enjoy what a great fighter we have at the moment. I mean the amount of titles he's won at all those weightclasses is incredible.

You may not see a fighter like this for years or maybe even decades to come, so enjoy it while your in this era. And don't be silly enough to let the fans spoil your enjoyment for a fighter.

The Manny Pacquiaos aren't really that rare in my opinion. We tend to have a few in every decade of the sport. Roy Jones started his career at 154 and then went on to win every title in his division including one of the alphabet HW titles. Oscar won titles starting at 130 all the way to 160. Floyd won titles at 130 all the way to 154. Duran won titles as a LW all the way to middleweight.

Pacman has a good career, but nothing unique.

How many former Flyweight world champions, have gone on to compete at Welterweight ? i would say that is pretty rare because i can't think of a single boxer that has done that, that is incredible and im just glad im in this era to appreciate it.

[Bilbo's Mom]

Well i like and respect Manny Pacquiao, even though im a fan of JMM. I still admire the amount of balls Manny Pacquiao is showing taking all these fights, and i love his exciting style.

I can't really understand how anyone couldn't like Manny Pacquiao, obviously alot of his fans are going to go. Over the top because they haven't really got alot of sporting greats at the moment.

And thats no disrespect to the Filipino people, by the way and im no expert on your country. So if im wrong please tell me but thats what i think anyway.

So i now i've just learnt to excuse some of his fans, and just enjoy what a great fighter we have at the moment. I mean the amount of titles he's won at all those weightclasses is incredible.

You may not see a fighter like this for years or maybe even decades to come, so enjoy it while your in this era. And don't be silly enough to let the fans spoil your enjoyment for a fighter.

The Manny Pacquiaos aren't really that rare in my opinion. We tend to have a few in every decade of the sport. Roy Jones started his career at 154 and then went on to win every title in his division including one of the alphabet HW titles. Oscar won titles starting at 130 all the way to 160. Floyd won titles at 130 all the way to 154. Duran won titles as a LW all the way to middleweight.

Pacman has a good career, but nothing unique.

How many former Flyweight world champions, have gone on to compete at Welterweight ? i would say that is pretty rare because i can't think of a single boxer that has done that, that is incredible and im just glad im in this era to appreciate it.

Ice when Bilbo is back next week I promise as his mum to make sure he reps you for that good little post.

NO little fighter has done anything like Manny has done.

It makes me laugh that some will probably say in all seriousness that Ricardo Lopez is a better all time great than Manny with his domination of the world's smallest weight class and then moving up a single divison to win a belt at junior flyweight.

Manny has also started at 107 lbs and went on to win world titles at flyweight, bantamweight, S featherweight, Lightweight, junior welter and even ko'd a legend at welterweight but his career is 'good but not unique'

Even the great Roy Jones didn't when he moved up to heavy picked the worst paper belt holder and outpointed him, Manny went up the same number of weight classes, fought against the Ring Champ and sparked him in two rounds.

He's pretty special.

[JT Rock]

Well i like and respect Manny Pacquiao, even though im a fan of JMM. I still admire the amount of balls Manny Pacquiao is showing taking all these fights, and i love his exciting style.

I can't really understand how anyone couldn't like Manny Pacquiao, obviously alot of his fans are going to go. Over the top because they haven't really got alot of sporting greats at the moment.

And thats no disrespect to the Filipino people, by the way and im no expert on your country. So if im wrong please tell me but thats what i think anyway.

So i now i've just learnt to excuse some of his fans, and just enjoy what a great fighter we have at the moment. I mean the amount of titles he's won at all those weightclasses is incredible.

You may not see a fighter like this for years or maybe even decades to come, so enjoy it while your in this era. And don't be silly enough to let the fans spoil your enjoyment for a fighter.

The Manny Pacquiaos aren't really that rare in my opinion. We tend to have a few in every decade of the sport. Roy Jones started his career at 154 and then went on to win every title in his division including one of the alphabet HW titles. Oscar won titles starting at 130 all the way to 160. Floyd won titles at 130 all the way to 154. Duran won titles as a LW all the way to middleweight.

Pacman has a good career, but nothing unique.

How many former Flyweight world champions, have gone on to compete at Welterweight ? i would say that is pretty rare because i can't think of a single boxer that has done that, that is incredible and im just glad im in this era to appreciate it.

Didnt SRR start at Welter and below and was competing at 175? doing quite well until he wilted in the heat

[JT Rock]

I dont mind if its a rare occasion...

Most are growing quite weary of Manny "Pander for Catchweight' Pacquiao

If you wanna fight the best in the higher weight class than fight that fighter were he is strongest, he's already making a living at that weight and is flourishing. If not than stay in your own weight class.

It's really quite simple.. The rigors an bigger guy has to go thru to boil down in weight leaves him drained and not as vibrant or 100% The guy moving up can diet better and not deprive himself of the substance and fortitude his body needs to operate at optimal level. There is no abuse of dehydrate, steam rooms, no water. Etc

Like I said an occasional Catchweight is fine but when a fighter and his trainer are trying to blatantly cheat history by chooching a 7th title from a weaken drained fighter is pathetic and exhausting

[generalbulldog]

I dont mind if its a rare occasion...

Most are growing quite weary of Manny "Pander for Catchweight' Pacquiao

If you wanna fight the best in the higher weight class than fight that fighter were he is strongest, he's already making a living at that weight and is flourishing. If not than stay in your own weight class.

It's really quite simple.. The rigors an bigger guy has to go thru to boil down in weight leaves him drained and not as vibrant or 100% The guy moving up can diet better and not deprive himself of the substance and fortitude his body needs to operate at optimal level. There is no abuse of dehydrate, steam rooms, no water. Etc

Like I said an occasional Catchweight is fine but when a fighter and his trainer are trying to blatantly cheat history by chooching a 7th title from a weaken drained fighter is pathetic and exhausting

I'm pretty sure all of the members here pretty much know that I'm not a Pacman fan. But when did he ever fought at a catch weight? The Oscar fight? That was at a 147 pound limit. Oscar and Pacman was 3 weight classes apart. So they met at the welterweight limit. I don't think it's reasonable to expect a guy to jump 3 weight classes. No boxing fan would want any fighter to jump from 135 to 154 for a mega fight, for it would be too one sided of a fight.

[JT Rock]

I dont mind if its a rare occasion...

Most are growing quite weary of Manny "Pander for Catchweight' Pacquiao

If you wanna fight the best in the higher weight class than fight that fighter were he is strongest, he's already making a living at that weight and is flourishing. If not than stay in your own weight class.

It's really quite simple.. The rigors an bigger guy has to go thru to boil down in weight leaves him drained and not as vibrant or 100% The guy moving up can diet better and not deprive himself of the substance and fortitude his body needs to operate at optimal level. There is no abuse of dehydrate, steam rooms, no water. Etc

Like I said an occasional Catchweight is fine but when a fighter and his trainer are trying to blatantly cheat history by chooching a 7th title from a weaken drained fighter is pathetic and exhausting

I'm pretty sure all of the members here pretty much know that I'm not a Pacman fan. But when did he ever fought at a catch weight? The Oscar fight? That was at a 147 pound limit. Oscar and Pacman was 3 weight classes apart. So they met at the welterweight limit. I don't think it's reasonable to expect a guy to jump 3 weight classes. No boxing fan would want any fighter to jump from 135 to 154 for a mega fight, for it would be too one sided of a fight.

UH No, I'm talking about Pac and Roach wanting Cotto and Mosely at catchweight or no fight.. DLH was fine at 147 but not those guys

Roach said he would fight Floyd at 147, how come not the rest

He already stated he wouldnt let pac fight at a weight disadvantage... then why try to call out a Welter then?

[The Congressman]

I don't remember Pac or Roach calling out anyone after the Hatton. I think it's the other way around. These bigger guys are whoring out for Pac and would fight Pac at catchweight because of the money.