Yes or No Poll regarding Catchweights

[Pavlik]

If DelaHoya and Hopkins fought for the Middleweight championship at 158 lbs. instead of 160 pound limit then why can't Pacquiao-Cotto fight in a catchweight?

[generalbulldog]

If DelaHoya and Hopkins fought for the Middleweight championship at 158 lbs. instead of 160 pound limit then why can't Pacquiao-Cotto fight in a catchweight?

Because besides Pacman fans no one likes Pacman. And the reason is their fans.

Of course this also applies to other fighter's fan base too. But that's the reason, a lot of people hate Pacman because of his fans so it's not okay for him to fight at a catchweight but other guys have.

You guys can blame yourself for it. Although a lot of boxing fans don't like Hatton and Khan also. Another uninformed fanbase.

[ICB]

If DelaHoya and Hopkins fought for the Middleweight championship at 158 lbs. instead of 160 pound limit then why can't Pacquiao-Cotto fight in a catchweight?

Because besides Pacman fans no one likes Pacman. And the reason is their fans.

Of course this also applies to other fighter's fan base too. But that's the reason, a lot of people hate Pacman because of his fans so it's not okay for him to fight at a catchweight but other guys have.

You guys can blame yourself for it. Although a lot of boxing fans don't like Hatton and Khan also. Another uninformed fanbase.

Well i like and respect Manny Pacquiao, even though im a fan of JMM. I still admire the amount of balls Manny Pacquiao is showing taking all these fights, and i love his exciting style.

I can't really understand how anyone couldn't like Manny Pacquiao, obviously alot of his fans are going to go. Over the top because they haven't really got alot of sporting greats at the moment.

And thats no disrespect to the Filipino people, by the way and im no expert on your country. So if im wrong please tell me but thats what i think anyway.

So i now i've just learnt to excuse some of his fans, and just enjoy what a great fighter we have at the moment. I mean the amount of titles he's won at all those weightclasses is incredible.

You may not see a fighter like this for years or maybe even decades to come, so enjoy it while your in this era. And don't be silly enough to let the fans spoil your enjoyment for a fighter.

[Gandalf]

I voted no because I really don't see the point in catch weights. We have a perfectly good system in place. If a fighter cannot fight at 147 then just clean up at 140. I find the example of Pac possibly fighting Cotto at 143/144 so cynical and just don't think that type of thing adds anything to the sport.In that case I would prefer the fight not to happen and for Pac to chase smaller purses at 140 instead. Now if he was willing go up to the next weight properly then that would be cool, but if he can't do that then I don't see the point.

[CGM]

I'd say if they want to call it a title fight, then don't have the catchweight. If PAC is saying he can't compete at welterweight so he needs a catchweight, then he has no business fighting for a welterweight title. And this so called record he sets by being in a champ in another division really won't have much meaning. I suppose a catchweight is ok if they call it a non-title fight, except I don't think it is good for the sport to have a champion fight a non-title fight. Problem is imo that a fighter demanding a catchweight usually indicates they think they are bigger than the sport, and that's never a good thing.

So I say no.

[generalbulldog]

If DelaHoya and Hopkins fought for the Middleweight championship at 158 lbs. instead of 160 pound limit then why can't Pacquiao-Cotto fight in a catchweight?

Because besides Pacman fans no one likes Pacman. And the reason is their fans.

Of course this also applies to other fighter's fan base too. But that's the reason, a lot of people hate Pacman because of his fans so it's not okay for him to fight at a catchweight but other guys have.

You guys can blame yourself for it. Although a lot of boxing fans don't like Hatton and Khan also. Another uninformed fanbase.

Well i like and respect Manny Pacquiao, even though im a fan of JMM. I still admire the amount of balls Manny Pacquiao is showing taking all these fights, and i love his exciting style.

I can't really understand how anyone couldn't like Manny Pacquiao, obviously alot of his fans are going to go. Over the top because they haven't really got alot of sporting greats at the moment.

And thats no disrespect to the Filipino people, by the way and im no expert on your country. So if im wrong please tell me but thats what i think anyway.

So i now i've just learnt to excuse some of his fans, and just enjoy what a great fighter we have at the moment. I mean the amount of titles he's won at all those weightclasses is incredible.

You may not see a fighter like this for years or maybe even decades to come, so enjoy it while your in this era. And don't be silly enough to let the fans spoil your enjoyment for a fighter.

The Manny Pacquiaos aren't really that rare in my opinion. We tend to have a few in every decade of the sport. Roy Jones started his career at 154 and then went on to win every title in his division including one of the alphabet HW titles. Oscar won titles starting at 130 all the way to 160. Floyd won titles at 130 all the way to 154. Duran won titles as a LW all the way to middleweight.

Pacman has a good career, but nothing unique.

[Nameless]

I am for catch weight over some conditions; First, a catch weight must be a catch weight, not a stupid trap to take significant advantage over a named opponent. Second, a fighter should not make a career fighting catch weights, it should be something occasional to allow some interesting events to happen. When these things are over abused or when it privileges a boxer too much, it losts all its sense.

[ICB]

Because besides Pacman fans no one likes Pacman. And the reason is their fans.

Of course this also applies to other fighter's fan base too. But that's the reason, a lot of people hate Pacman because of his fans so it's not okay for him to fight at a catchweight but other guys have.

You guys can blame yourself for it. Although a lot of boxing fans don't like Hatton and Khan also. Another uninformed fanbase.

Well i like and respect Manny Pacquiao, even though im a fan of JMM. I still admire the amount of balls Manny Pacquiao is showing taking all these fights, and i love his exciting style.

I can't really understand how anyone couldn't like Manny Pacquiao, obviously alot of his fans are going to go. Over the top because they haven't really got alot of sporting greats at the moment.

And thats no disrespect to the Filipino people, by the way and im no expert on your country. So if im wrong please tell me but thats what i think anyway.

So i now i've just learnt to excuse some of his fans, and just enjoy what a great fighter we have at the moment. I mean the amount of titles he's won at all those weightclasses is incredible.

You may not see a fighter like this for years or maybe even decades to come, so enjoy it while your in this era. And don't be silly enough to let the fans spoil your enjoyment for a fighter.

The Manny Pacquiaos aren't really that rare in my opinion. We tend to have a few in every decade of the sport. Roy Jones started his career at 154 and then went on to win every title in his division including one of the alphabet HW titles. Oscar won titles starting at 130 all the way to 160. Floyd won titles at 130 all the way to 154. Duran won titles as a LW all the way to middleweight.

Pacman has a good career, but nothing unique.

How many former Flyweight world champions, have gone on to compete at Welterweight ? i would say that is pretty rare because i can't think of a single boxer that has done that, that is incredible and im just glad im in this era to appreciate it.

[Bilbo's Mom]

Well i like and respect Manny Pacquiao, even though im a fan of JMM. I still admire the amount of balls Manny Pacquiao is showing taking all these fights, and i love his exciting style.

I can't really understand how anyone couldn't like Manny Pacquiao, obviously alot of his fans are going to go. Over the top because they haven't really got alot of sporting greats at the moment.

And thats no disrespect to the Filipino people, by the way and im no expert on your country. So if im wrong please tell me but thats what i think anyway.

So i now i've just learnt to excuse some of his fans, and just enjoy what a great fighter we have at the moment. I mean the amount of titles he's won at all those weightclasses is incredible.

You may not see a fighter like this for years or maybe even decades to come, so enjoy it while your in this era. And don't be silly enough to let the fans spoil your enjoyment for a fighter.

The Manny Pacquiaos aren't really that rare in my opinion. We tend to have a few in every decade of the sport. Roy Jones started his career at 154 and then went on to win every title in his division including one of the alphabet HW titles. Oscar won titles starting at 130 all the way to 160. Floyd won titles at 130 all the way to 154. Duran won titles as a LW all the way to middleweight.

Pacman has a good career, but nothing unique.

How many former Flyweight world champions, have gone on to compete at Welterweight ? i would say that is pretty rare because i can't think of a single boxer that has done that, that is incredible and im just glad im in this era to appreciate it.

Ice when Bilbo is back next week I promise as his mum to make sure he reps you for that good little post.

NO little fighter has done anything like Manny has done.

It makes me laugh that some will probably say in all seriousness that Ricardo Lopez is a better all time great than Manny with his domination of the world's smallest weight class and then moving up a single divison to win a belt at junior flyweight.

Manny has also started at 107 lbs and went on to win world titles at flyweight, bantamweight, S featherweight, Lightweight, junior welter and even ko'd a legend at welterweight but his career is 'good but not unique'

Even the great Roy Jones didn't when he moved up to heavy picked the worst paper belt holder and outpointed him, Manny went up the same number of weight classes, fought against the Ring Champ and sparked him in two rounds.

He's pretty special.

[Plopeater]

No

[ICB]

The Manny Pacquiaos aren't really that rare in my opinion. We tend to have a few in every decade of the sport. Roy Jones started his career at 154 and then went on to win every title in his division including one of the alphabet HW titles. Oscar won titles starting at 130 all the way to 160. Floyd won titles at 130 all the way to 154. Duran won titles as a LW all the way to middleweight.

Pacman has a good career, but nothing unique.

How many former Flyweight world champions, have gone on to compete at Welterweight ? i would say that is pretty rare because i can't think of a single boxer that has done that, that is incredible and im just glad im in this era to appreciate it.

Ice when Bilbo is back next week I promise as his mum to make sure he reps you for that good little post.

NO little fighter has done anything like Manny has done.

It makes me laugh that some will probably say in all seriousness that Ricardo Lopez is a better all time great than Manny with his domination of the world's smallest weight class and then moving up a single divison to win a belt at junior flyweight.

Manny has also started at 107 lbs and went on to win world titles at flyweight, bantamweight, S featherweight, Lightweight, junior welter and even ko'd a legend at welterweight but his career is 'good but not unique'

Even the great Roy Jones didn't when he moved up to heavy picked the worst paper belt holder and outpointed him, Manny went up the same number of weight classes, fought against the Ring Champ and sparked him in two rounds.

He's pretty special.

I totally agree as i said im not really a Manny Pacquiao fan, im a Juan Manuel Marquez fan. But you can't help just appreciate Manny Pacquiao, not only has he won all those titles at all those weightclasses.

Which is amazing in it self, he has also improved so much as a boxer. Which to me is one of the most impressive things about Manny Pacquiao. Its so hard to turn into a boxer, when most of your career your instinct as a fighter is of course to fight.

But now he has that under control, and he fights with controlled aggression. And he really is great to watch as boxer more so than he's old aggressive style IMO.

I don't really care what weightclass he is fighting Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto, Floyd Mayweather Jr, at. Just managing to fight them is a feat in itself.

When me and many other members, thought it was ridiculous to even suggest that a fight could happen between any of those fighters. Now people are actually having a go at Manny Pacquiao, for not fighting them at there exact weight ?

When he is the smaller man ? i just find that laughable to be honest. As you said in another thread if they don't want to fight Manny Pacquiao, at 143 or whatever they don't have to take the fight do they ?

Its not like Manny Pacquiao is putting a gun to there head forcing them to do it, just like it wasn't Manny Pacquiao's fault ODLH drained himself. He still won the fight which many people thought he was out his depth, so what really else can he do ?

I don't think people are being realistic here, and i think Manny Pacquiao fighting any of those fighters is a feat in itself. People are too hard on Manny Pacquiao, i think he's done excellent to achieve what he has achieved. Truly a great a boxer and as i said im just glad to be a part of it. And by the way i'll send some rep your way on your Bilbo name.

[JT Rock]

Manny has also started at 107 lbs and went on to win world titles at flyweight, bantamweight, S featherweight, Lightweight, junior welter and even ko'd a legend at welterweight but his career is 'good but not unique'

Everyone gushes over Manny's strength and conditioning. The whole folklore of Manny starting out at 106 is a farce anyway. Big deal!! he was 16 when turned pro, not a fully developed adult. it is not uncommon for an human being to put on 40lbs in 14 years especially an elite athlete like Pac who is a blessed physical specimen.

When I was 16 I weighed about 150 lbs, I started weight training at 23 and put on about 35lbs of muscle in my peak. I wasnt incredibly bulky but extremely functional playing basketball 3x a week and softball once a week. I never used performance enhancers and didnt have the best strength and conditioning coaches money can buy and I would hardly brag about my genetics.. It was and still is a struggle to stay in tip top shape.

So if a middleclass kid with mediocre genetics can play with weights and compete in pickup basketball and softball games and train martial arts and gain 35lbs in that amount of time,I think a pro boxer with all the conditioning experts, supplements and trainers money can buy, could achieve the same.

By the way Floyd never pulled this shiit, he was called a cherry picker yet when moving up he didnt ask for bullshit demands.

[JT Rock]

Well i like and respect Manny Pacquiao, even though im a fan of JMM. I still admire the amount of balls Manny Pacquiao is showing taking all these fights, and i love his exciting style.

I can't really understand how anyone couldn't like Manny Pacquiao, obviously alot of his fans are going to go. Over the top because they haven't really got alot of sporting greats at the moment.

And thats no disrespect to the Filipino people, by the way and im no expert on your country. So if im wrong please tell me but thats what i think anyway.

So i now i've just learnt to excuse some of his fans, and just enjoy what a great fighter we have at the moment. I mean the amount of titles he's won at all those weightclasses is incredible.

You may not see a fighter like this for years or maybe even decades to come, so enjoy it while your in this era. And don't be silly enough to let the fans spoil your enjoyment for a fighter.

The Manny Pacquiaos aren't really that rare in my opinion. We tend to have a few in every decade of the sport. Roy Jones started his career at 154 and then went on to win every title in his division including one of the alphabet HW titles. Oscar won titles starting at 130 all the way to 160. Floyd won titles at 130 all the way to 154. Duran won titles as a LW all the way to middleweight.

Pacman has a good career, but nothing unique.

How many former Flyweight world champions, have gone on to compete at Welterweight ? i would say that is pretty rare because i can't think of a single boxer that has done that, that is incredible and im just glad im in this era to appreciate it.

Didnt SRR start at Welter and below and was competing at 175? doing quite well until he wilted in the heat

[ICB]

The Manny Pacquiaos aren't really that rare in my opinion. We tend to have a few in every decade of the sport. Roy Jones started his career at 154 and then went on to win every title in his division including one of the alphabet HW titles. Oscar won titles starting at 130 all the way to 160. Floyd won titles at 130 all the way to 154. Duran won titles as a LW all the way to middleweight.

Pacman has a good career, but nothing unique.

How many former Flyweight world champions, have gone on to compete at Welterweight ? i would say that is pretty rare because i can't think of a single boxer that has done that, that is incredible and im just glad im in this era to appreciate it.

Didnt SRR start at Welter and below and was competing at 175? doing quite well until he wilted in the heat

Yes but SRR was 157 which is impressive because he was still competing, as the much smaller man but still technically he was still a Middleweight. But you've just proved my point bro how long ago was that ? that basically proves me point, that there isn't many boxers that come around to often like Manny Pacquiao.

[Bilbo's Mom]

The Manny Pacquiaos aren't really that rare in my opinion. We tend to have a few in every decade of the sport. Roy Jones started his career at 154 and then went on to win every title in his division including one of the alphabet HW titles. Oscar won titles starting at 130 all the way to 160. Floyd won titles at 130 all the way to 154. Duran won titles as a LW all the way to middleweight.

Pacman has a good career, but nothing unique.

How many former Flyweight world champions, have gone on to compete at Welterweight ? i would say that is pretty rare because i can't think of a single boxer that has done that, that is incredible and im just glad im in this era to appreciate it.

Didnt SRR start at Welter and below and was competing at 175? doing quite well until he wilted in the heat

No. He was a briliant superb welterweight, a very good middleweight, although he lost his belt 4 times so hardly unbeatable and was 0-1 as light heavyweight suffering a TKO, why is irelevent, he still quit on his stool and lost by knockout.

And Sugar Ray is considered the best of all times, a pretty significant person to compare Pac too, he mixes in high company according to you to that's nice to see