Can anyone argue with my logic here?

[CFH]

I'd like to give my honest opinion, but fuck that's a long post.

Aren't you supposed to be banned?

I've asked Saddo, can you remind him PLEASE!!

I feel like that girl at the beginning of Knowing 'Make me stop, please make me stop, please make me stop'

I've never seen the film. If you want I can ban you (I think), but I'm not exactly experienced in such things and there might be unforeseen consequences. I don't really think you want to be banned in the midst of such a fine argument though, do you?

[Bilbo's Mom]

I'd like to give my honest opinion, but fuck that's a long post.

Aren't you supposed to be banned?

I've asked Saddo, can you remind him PLEASE!!

I feel like that girl at the beginning of Knowing 'Make me stop, please make me stop, please make me stop'

I've never seen the film. If you want I can ban you (I think), but I'm not exactly experienced in such things and there might be unforeseen consequences. I don't really think you want to be banned in the midst of such a fine argument though, do you?

Do it mate. This account can be deleted anyway, Saddo banned my Bilbo account until a week Monday.

Enjoy the power of flushing an account and I can then go and eat and attend to my bleeding fingertips

[CFH]

I've asked Saddo, can you remind him PLEASE!!

I feel like that girl at the beginning of Knowing 'Make me stop, please make me stop, please make me stop'

I've never seen the film. If you want I can ban you (I think), but I'm not exactly experienced in such things and there might be unforeseen consequences. I don't really think you want to be banned in the midst of such a fine argument though, do you?

Do it mate. This account can be deleted anyway, Saddo banned my Bilbo account until a week Monday.

Enjoy the power of flushing an account and I can then go and eat and attend to my bleeding fingertips

I don't know if I can. When I try to view your public profile I get the message:

"This user has not registered and therefore does not have a profile to view."

Looks like you're fucked. Also, I don't want to accidentally IP ban you or anything like that, but I assume only Saddo has those powers.

[gest12645]

dont ban bilo's mom . btw.. anyone wanna tap larry merchant??

[Bilbo's Mom]

I've never seen the film. If you want I can ban you (I think), but I'm not exactly experienced in such things and there might be unforeseen consequences. I don't really think you want to be banned in the midst of such a fine argument though, do you?

Do it mate. This account can be deleted anyway, Saddo banned my Bilbo account until a week Monday.

Enjoy the power of flushing an account and I can then go and eat and attend to my bleeding fingertips

I don't know if I can. When I try to view your public profile I get the message:

"This user has not registered and therefore does not have a profile to view."

Looks like you're fucked. Also, I don't want to accidentally IP ban you or anything like that, but I assume only Saddo has those powers.

I doubt you could do anything permanently damaging. I don't have a fixed ip address anyway so you get block me once I've cleared all my caches.

I'll pm Saddo and ask him to delete this account permantly, I don't mind killing off my old mom, she's a nagging wench anyhow.

[Taeth]

THe point people are making is that Pacquiao is ranked higher p4p than COtto or MOsley, thus he should still be at an advantage or competitive with them at their own weightclass. If he wants the glory in beating them, then it should be done at their weight. If he fights them at a catch weight it is still impressive, but the arguement that they also had size on their side isn't as profound as if he faced them at their natural weight. I think Pacquiao shoudl still get a ton of credit if he beat Cotto at 146 or Mosley at 144-145, but not even close to what he would if he beat them at 147 even if they aren't better at 147 than they would be at 144-146.

[holmcall]

THe point people are making is that Pacquiao is ranked higher p4p than COtto or MOsley, thus he should still be at an advantage or competitive with them at their own weightclass. If he wants the glory in beating them, then it should be done at their weight. If he fights them at a catch weight it is still impressive, but the arguement that they also had size on their side isn't as profound as if he faced them at their natural weight. I think Pacquiao shoudl still get a ton of credit if he beat Cotto at 146 or Mosley at 144-145, but not even close to what he would if he beat them at 147 even if they aren't better at 147 than they would be at 144-146.

I agree!

[Bilbo's Mom]

THe point people are making is that Pacquiao is ranked higher p4p than COtto or MOsley, thus he should still be at an advantage or competitive with them at their own weightclass. If he wants the glory in beating them, then it should be done at their weight. If he fights them at a catch weight it is still impressive, but the arguement that they also had size on their side isn't as profound as if he faced them at their natural weight. I think Pacquiao shoudl still get a ton of credit if he beat Cotto at 146 or Mosley at 144-145, but not even close to what he would if he beat them at 147 even if they aren't better at 147 than they would be at 144-146.

So why not fight Kelly Pavlik then? Surely Manny is better than him p4p too?

Manny is a little guy, two years ago nobody on here, not a single one of you would have thought he could beat Ricky Hatton at 140 lbs, he was just a superfeatherweight.

If Juan Manuel Marquez and Manny were to rematch now would you insist that this fight took place at 147 lbs and nothing less because otherwise a Marquez win would be meaningless, Manny being too drained after coming down from welterweight?

How do you explain the strange phenomenan that is Shane Mosely. He moved DOWN an entire weight class from 154 lbs in his thirties and now fights at 147 lbs?

How is this even possible, does not human biology insist that he be too weakened to fight competitively?

Why was there not an outcry when Miguel Cotto beat Sugar Shane by the narrowest of margins after he had dragged him down an entire division.

Surely Cotto should be derided for not being able to finish off and destroy an old past his prime fighter in his thirties who had had almost 50 fights and was moving down in weight?

You guys seem to not understand that weight catogories only exist on paper they don't have any real objective reality.

No person in the world has a set weight. Do you know for example that you are a 153 lb person, does that weight define you, is that all you can be?

Every fighter and athlete, I'm sure does have an optimum bodyweight at which they best perform but I highly doubt it's an absolute definite fixed figure to one single decimal point.

Cotto has fought the majority of career at 140 lbs. When he had conquered that class he moved up to 147 lbs. Why 147, because that is the next weight class boxing has.

I'm sure had there been another weight class at 144 and the great fighters were there he'd be fighting at 144 now.

He's not a big welterweight, not at all. He's only 5 ft 7 and rarely weighs in at the 147 limit anyway, usually being 146.5 and in his last outing only 146.

All this hullaballu about a couple of pounds as if its going to make the difference between Cotto being 100 percent and Cotto being an empty shell is absurd.

If the fight is at 147 Manny is giving up 13 lbs in natural fighting weight, with a 3 lb catchweight he's still giving up 10.

If he wins, the fact it was at 145 in no way detracts from the victory any more than you can take away from Cotto's win over Mosely, Calzaghe's win over Hopkins or Hopkins win over Tarver on the basis of weight.

[JazMerkin]

Not that I disagree with all of this, but there's a few inaccuracies. Cotto has never weighed in less than 146 at welter & usually not at that weight but at 147. He has trouble making the weight because of his out of training lifestyle, so pushing him those extra 2 or 3 lbs could be decisive. I have no problems them doing this as long as its NOT for the welterweight title. That should only be on the line if the maximum weight limit for both fighters is 147.

Otherwise I agree with it & personally I think Pacquiao can beat Cotto at 147, so he should do it there.

[AdamGB]

It is illogical captian.