Would Juan Manuel Marquez's Brother Have Done Better Against Manny Pacquiao P4P ?

[Taeth]

I am the idiot? First of all I have refrained from name calling because it would be too easy with you. Second I was talking about the cross, not right hand when I mentioned Pacquiao, obviously he doesn't ahve one of the best right hands in the sport.

Why is Hopkins right hand not used enough? He landed it very, very effectively on Trinidad, De La Hoya, Jermain Taylor, Calzaghe, Tarver, Pavlik. They are all really good fighter, and it landed effectively on them. Marquez has foughten one guy in these guys league, so how can you compare anything he has done with what Hopkins does? I am not saying he isn't signficantly better than his competition, but his competition makes Rafael look at a lot better than really skilled opponents would. Roy also landed his cross a hell of a lot against Calzaghe more, often than Kessler or Hopkins, he has lost power on it, but its still accurate, perfectly timed, and amazingly fast. Hopkins and Roy Jones will be able to land their cross on anyone, even at this stage of their career, Marquez wouldn't.

Also you have failed to name guys with better right hands, you still have provided evidence of your outlandish claim that Rafael Marquez has the best right hand in the business. Which leads me back to the actual topic of arguement, and the fact of the matter is that Manny would knock Marquez out.

[Violent Demise]

I am the idiot? First of all I have refrained from name calling because it would be too easy with you. Second I was talking about the cross, not right hand when I mentioned Pacquiao, obviously he doesn't ahve one of the best right hands in the sport.

Why is Hopkins right hand not used enough? He landed it very, very effectively on Trinidad, De La Hoya, Jermain Taylor, Calzaghe, Tarver, Pavlik. They are all really good fighter, and it landed effectively on them. Marquez has foughten one guy in these guys league, so how can you compare anything he has done with what Hopkins does? I am not saying he isn't signficantly better than his competition, but his competition makes Rafael look at a lot better than really skilled opponents would. Roy also landed his cross a hell of a lot against Calzaghe more, often than Kessler or Hopkins, he has lost power on it, but its still accurate, perfectly timed, and amazingly fast. Hopkins and Roy Jones will be able to land their cross on anyone, even at this stage of their career, Marquez wouldn't.

Also you have failed to name guys with better right hands, you still have provided evidence of your outlandish claim that Rafael Marquez has the best right hand in the business. Which leads me back to the actual topic of arguement, and the fact of the matter is that Manny would knock Marquez out.

I said right hand from the beginning. That was pretty clear. Why you decided to mention Pacquiao's right and than back track, i have no idea. Like I said a couple of posts back your not really familar with Rafael Marquez career. So really your not fit to discuss him. Vazquez is not the only p4p fighter Marquez has beaten. Mark Johnson was a p4p fighter who hadn't been beaten in 11 years. Marquez out pointed him and than knocked him out. He also knocked out the unbeaten and underrated Tim Austin. Who was boarderline p4p. But you don't recongnize the names. So to you they don't count.

[ICB]

I am the idiot? First of all I have refrained from name calling because it would be too easy with you. Second I was talking about the cross, not right hand when I mentioned Pacquiao, obviously he doesn't ahve one of the best right hands in the sport.

Why is Hopkins right hand not used enough? He landed it very, very effectively on Trinidad, De La Hoya, Jermain Taylor, Calzaghe, Tarver, Pavlik. They are all really good fighter, and it landed effectively on them. Marquez has foughten one guy in these guys league, so how can you compare anything he has done with what Hopkins does? I am not saying he isn't signficantly better than his competition, but his competition makes Rafael look at a lot better than really skilled opponents would. Roy also landed his cross a hell of a lot against Calzaghe more, often than Kessler or Hopkins, he has lost power on it, but its still accurate, perfectly timed, and amazingly fast. Hopkins and Roy Jones will be able to land their cross on anyone, even at this stage of their career, Marquez wouldn't.

Also you have failed to name guys with better right hands, you still have provided evidence of your outlandish claim that Rafael Marquez has the best right hand in the business. Which leads me back to the actual topic of arguement, and the fact of the matter is that Manny would knock Marquez out.

I said right hand from the beginning. That was pretty clear. Why you decided to mention Pacquiao's right and than back track, i have no idea. Like I said a couple of posts back your not really familar with Rafael Marquez career. So really your not fit to discuss him. Vazquez is not the only p4p fighter Marquez has beaten. Mark Johnson was a p4p fighter who hadn't been beaten in 11 years. Marquez out pointed him and than knocked him out. He also knocked out the unbeaten and underrated Tim Austin. Who was boarderline p4p. But you don't recongnize the names. So to you they don't count.

I just watched those fights you mentioned, was very impressed with Rafael Marquez in the 2nd Mark Johnson fight. And the Tim Austin fight, loved that long right hand that put Tim Austin through the ropes.

Mark Johnson at one point was rated P4P number 6, and Tim Austin was making his 10th title defense against Rafael Marquez.

No idea what happened to Tim Austin he seemed to fall off the radar after getting beat.

[LEGION]

I am the idiot? First of all I have refrained from name calling because it would be too easy with you. Second I was talking about the cross, not right hand when I mentioned Pacquiao, obviously he doesn't ahve one of the best right hands in the sport.

Why is Hopkins right hand not used enough? He landed it very, very effectively on Trinidad, De La Hoya, Jermain Taylor, Calzaghe, Tarver, Pavlik. They are all really good fighter, and it landed effectively on them. Marquez has foughten one guy in these guys league, so how can you compare anything he has done with what Hopkins does? I am not saying he isn't signficantly better than his competition, but his competition makes Rafael look at a lot better than really skilled opponents would. Roy also landed his cross a hell of a lot against Calzaghe more, often than Kessler or Hopkins, he has lost power on it, but its still accurate, perfectly timed, and amazingly fast. Hopkins and Roy Jones will be able to land their cross on anyone, even at this stage of their career, Marquez wouldn't.

Also you have failed to name guys with better right hands, you still have provided evidence of your outlandish claim that Rafael Marquez has the best right hand in the business. Which leads me back to the actual topic of arguement, and the fact of the matter is that Manny would knock Marquez out.

I said right hand from the beginning. That was pretty clear. Why you decided to mention Pacquiao's right and than back track, i have no idea. Like I said a couple of posts back your not really familar with Rafael Marquez career. So really your not fit to discuss him. Vazquez is not the only p4p fighter Marquez has beaten. Mark Johnson was a p4p fighter who hadn't been beaten in 11 years. Marquez out pointed him and than knocked him out. He also knocked out the unbeaten and underrated Tim Austin. Who was boarderline p4p. But you don't recongnize the names. So to you they don't count.

I just watched those fights you mentioned, was very impressed with Rafael Marquez in the 2nd Mark Johnson fight. And the Tim Austin fight, loved that long right hand that put Tim Austin through the ropes.

Mark Johnson at one point was rated P4P number 6, and Tim Austin was making his 10th title defense against Rafael Marquez.

No idea what happened to Tim Austin he seemed to fall off the radar after getting beat.

Tim got accused of raping a 16 year old girl not long after losing to Marquez; later acquitted.

[ICB]

I said right hand from the beginning. That was pretty clear. Why you decided to mention Pacquiao's right and than back track, i have no idea. Like I said a couple of posts back your not really familar with Rafael Marquez career. So really your not fit to discuss him. Vazquez is not the only p4p fighter Marquez has beaten. Mark Johnson was a p4p fighter who hadn't been beaten in 11 years. Marquez out pointed him and than knocked him out. He also knocked out the unbeaten and underrated Tim Austin. Who was boarderline p4p. But you don't recongnize the names. So to you they don't count.

I just watched those fights you mentioned, was very impressed with Rafael Marquez in the 2nd Mark Johnson fight. And the Tim Austin fight, loved that long right hand that put Tim Austin through the ropes.

Mark Johnson at one point was rated P4P number 6, and Tim Austin was making his 10th title defense against Rafael Marquez.

No idea what happened to Tim Austin he seemed to fall off the radar after getting beat.

Tim got accused of raping a 16 year old girl not long after losing to Marquez; later acquitted.

Damn didn't know that thanks for the info.

[LEGION]

I just watched those fights you mentioned, was very impressed with Rafael Marquez in the 2nd Mark Johnson fight. And the Tim Austin fight, loved that long right hand that put Tim Austin through the ropes.

Mark Johnson at one point was rated P4P number 6, and Tim Austin was making his 10th title defense against Rafael Marquez.

No idea what happened to Tim Austin he seemed to fall off the radar after getting beat.

Tim got accused of raping a 16 year old girl not long after losing to Marquez; later acquitted.

Damn didn't know that thanks for the info.

Thank WIKI not me

[ICB]

Tim got accused of raping a 16 year old girl not long after losing to Marquez; later acquitted.

Damn didn't know that thanks for the info.

Thank WIKI not me

Also just read up and he was arrested for threatning to kill his wife, and beating her up what a nice guy

[Violent Demise]

I said right hand from the beginning. That was pretty clear. Why you decided to mention Pacquiao's right and than back track, i have no idea. Like I said a couple of posts back your not really familar with Rafael Marquez career. So really your not fit to discuss him. Vazquez is not the only p4p fighter Marquez has beaten. Mark Johnson was a p4p fighter who hadn't been beaten in 11 years. Marquez out pointed him and than knocked him out. He also knocked out the unbeaten and underrated Tim Austin. Who was boarderline p4p. But you don't recongnize the names. So to you they don't count.

I just watched those fights you mentioned, was very impressed with Rafael Marquez in the 2nd Mark Johnson fight. And the Tim Austin fight, loved that long right hand that put Tim Austin through the ropes.

Mark Johnson at one point was rated P4P number 6, and Tim Austin was making his 10th title defense against Rafael Marquez.

No idea what happened to Tim Austin he seemed to fall off the radar after getting beat.

Tim got accused of raping a 16 year old girl not long after losing to Marquez; later acquitted.

She wanted it

[Taeth]

I am the idiot? First of all I have refrained from name calling because it would be too easy with you. Second I was talking about the cross, not right hand when I mentioned Pacquiao, obviously he doesn't ahve one of the best right hands in the sport.

Why is Hopkins right hand not used enough? He landed it very, very effectively on Trinidad, De La Hoya, Jermain Taylor, Calzaghe, Tarver, Pavlik. They are all really good fighter, and it landed effectively on them. Marquez has foughten one guy in these guys league, so how can you compare anything he has done with what Hopkins does? I am not saying he isn't signficantly better than his competition, but his competition makes Rafael look at a lot better than really skilled opponents would. Roy also landed his cross a hell of a lot against Calzaghe more, often than Kessler or Hopkins, he has lost power on it, but its still accurate, perfectly timed, and amazingly fast. Hopkins and Roy Jones will be able to land their cross on anyone, even at this stage of their career, Marquez wouldn't.

Also you have failed to name guys with better right hands, you still have provided evidence of your outlandish claim that Rafael Marquez has the best right hand in the business. Which leads me back to the actual topic of arguement, and the fact of the matter is that Manny would knock Marquez out.

I said right hand from the beginning. That was pretty clear. Why you decided to mention Pacquiao's right and than back track, i have no idea. Like I said a couple of posts back your not really familar with Rafael Marquez career. So really your not fit to discuss him. Vazquez is not the only p4p fighter Marquez has beaten. Mark Johnson was a p4p fighter who hadn't been beaten in 11 years. Marquez out pointed him and than knocked him out. He also knocked out the unbeaten and underrated Tim Austin. Who was boarderline p4p. But you don't recongnize the names. So to you they don't count.

I didn't back track, I just never mentioned pacquiao's right hand, you didn't read what I was saying and you assumed when I was talkign about Pacquiao that I was talking about the right hand when I was talking about the cross. Second you have no idea about how much Rafael Marquez I've watched, I guarantee I watch more fights than you do. Also when was Mark Johnson a legitimate p4p fighter? I can easily name 10-15 guys better than him at any period in his career, he hadn't foughten anybody before Rafael Marquez, he didn't have credibility, there are so many better fighters that were out there in the late 90's and early 00's.