When Pacquiao beats Cotto

[ElTerribleMorales]

LOL I'm not arguing that he doesn't move back from time to time, who doesn't? Saying he's "completely ineffective" when he's getting backed up is what I'm arguing, that's way off. He let Hatton take the lead, he moved and fought off his back foot some and that worked out ok

he backed up directly on the rope and took a few shots but mainly was able to circle off cause Hatton was sloppy and careless, Cotto isn't Hatton

[amat]

Yup, first backward step he takes it's the end of Pacquiao's night. First one.

[OumaFan]

so that makes him completely ineffective while being backed up? Everybody gets backed up to the ropes sometimes when they're moving a lot (Cotto himself has spent too much time on the ropes in some fights), some just have better defense while on the ropes or spend less time there.

[OumaFan]

Yup, first backward step he takes it's the end of Pacquiao's night. First one.

[LEGION]

LOL I'm not arguing that he doesn't move back from time to time, who doesn't? Saying he's "completely ineffective" when he's getting backed up is what I'm arguing, that's way off. He let Hatton take the lead, he moved and fought off his back foot some and that worked out ok

he backed up directly on the rope and took a few shots but mainly was able to circle off cause Hatton was sloppy and careless, Cotto isn't Hatton

I think those few times he let Hattonback im up to th ropes was because he knewhe was stronger, tossed Ricky right off him. He lets Cotto back him up that's too much guy to be throwing around; bad move if Pac lets Cotto take him to the ropes. He'll try to keep it in the center all night imo like he did wth Oscar and Diaz.

[amat]

Give it up, he went straight back against Hatton and has been rendered one dimensional since. I haven't seen anyone exposed so badly since Derrick Gainer ruined Juan Manuel Marquez' career.

[OumaFan]

That's wisdom. Just think how much you would know about boxing if you watched as much tape as Taeth.

[amat]

I probably wouldn't post on here as much as all you guys seem to talk about are c and d level fighters.

[Taeth]

LOL I'm not arguing that he doesn't move back from time to time, who doesn't? Saying he's "completely ineffective" when he's getting backed up is what I'm arguing, that's way off. He let Hatton take the lead, he moved and fought off his back foot some and that worked out ok

he backed up directly on the rope and took a few shots but mainly was able to circle off cause Hatton was sloppy and careless, Cotto isn't Hatton

Cotto isn't Hatton, and he also doesn't have half of Hatton's footspeed. If you need proof of that watch them both against Paulie. I know Cotto was weight drained, but if you watch him in that fight then as a welterweight, you will see he moved quicker in that fight then he does as a welterweight.

Also Ouma, if there is a big fight I watch pretty solely the guys who are going to fight everyday. I like to do it. I've seen so much tape of Cotto and PAcquiao its not even funny.

I was the one when you all said Pacquiao was going to be blown away by Oscar and was just fighting him for a payday, I thought he would lose in a close fight.

I thought Hopkins was going to beat Pavlik in their fight.

I thought Mosley was going to put up a good fight with Margarito, and that he was going to be stopped, so many people argued with me on these points yet I was broke down what was going to happen, and it did.

I said Hopkins' movement would give Pavlik fits and that he wouldn't be able to get off and that Hopkins was too accurate, and too good defensively, and thats what happened. I said it would be because Pavlik didn't have fast enough footwork and Hopkins would be able to stay out of his range which he did.

For Pacquiao against Oscar, I said the chance he has is that everytime Mayweather and Forbes threw punches against Oscar, he didn't try to counter, I could see he was gun shy in that regard, I was wrong in that I thought Manny wouldn't be so elusive, but if you look at the difference between how he fought OScar and how Floyd did, is that Manny used so much more movement, Floyd has such good defensive he doesn't move as much as he could or maybe should, but Manny didn't let OScar close the gap.

For Mosley-Margarito I was saying for so long that Mosley's footspeed was much greater than Cotto's, and that he was way more durable. I thought Margarito would just outwork Mosley in the long run, but I said there is no way Mosley would get stopped by Margarito or that he would be blown out. People thought I was crazy to think guys like Mayorga or Vargas could be compared to Margarito, but I've been saying for years that Margarito is slow and with decent footspeed and countering skills he's wide open.

I've said for a years Cotto is great if he can reach you, but I think Manny and Floyd are the only guys around his weight class, that he won't be able to find in there. We see that he isn't as effective against Clottey as he was against Mosley, and I think its because Clottey was blocking a lot more than Mosley. IMO Cotto being as sharp as he is, and as good with distance and timing as he is will make it even worse for him, because he will know that Manny is outside his range, he will know that Manny will be able to get in and out before he can respond, it will take maybe a round or two for Miguel to realize that he can't reach Manny, and I honestly don't know what he can do to change it.

If someone can give me a good reason why Cotto can close that distance then I think he would win, but he doesn't use a lot of headmovement when he comes forward and his feet are so slow. Mosley was trying to react to Cotto because he thought he was a lot faster which was a mistake, and Manny won't do that, he will just get the hell out of dodge.

[Taeth]

A flat-footed Oscar De La Hoya is faster than Cotto on his toes, he doesn't move quickly.

+ if you are talking about me, I watch more fights than 90% of hte people on here. Just because I spent more time watching the top end guys, or the guys who are up and coming wiht potential, doesn't mean I don't watch as much as you guys who watch c or d level guys a lot.

I read shit like JT is spouting that Pacquiao has never been tested above 135, then I guess Oscar's fights against Steve Forbes, Mayorga, and Mayweather count for nothing. It had absolutely nothing to do with how good Pacquiao that he won the way he did against Oscar. Or how he beat Ricky Hatton. Who is better than Ricky Hatton at 140? Nobody.

Who is better than Cotto who is still active at welterweight? Nobody.
Yes I think Cotto is better than more athletic guys like MOsley, Berto, and Zab Judah, but none of them are as good as Pacquiao.

People say I always pick the athlete, but I remember of late picking Oscar over Pacquiao, I thought Hatton-Pacquiao was going to be tough, but I was wrong both times, and even Pacquiao-Diaz I thought was going to be a really tough fight for Manny, because I thought he would be an easy target, but I was wrong.

You guys say I am getting carried away with Manny? I am not the one who things Cotto is a superb counter puncher. He's good at it, but its definitely not his bread and butter.

I am not assuming 100% that Manny wins, but I am sure like I was with Hopkins-Pavlik, Mayweather vs anyone(except Maybe Pacquiao), Calzaghe-Jones.

Pacquiao will win, but I already have my answer in regards to people. I already know 90% of you who don't like Manny will have excuses just like you did after he beat ODLH and Hatton. All I have to say is look back 3 years, I used to hate Manny, and there is a reason why I don't anymore, he has changed my mind.

IMO this isn't Manny's hardest fight, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera as complete fighters all brought more to the table than Cotto. I think Cotto is a great fighter, but his lack of durablity IMO takes him off ATG charts. Despite his great heart, he is too easy to hit, and too easy to hurt.

Err, yeah I think it kinda does. Because the majority of the really hardcore fans that watch all of the "D and C level fights" also watch the big names and prospects that you watch. They don't consciously limit themselves to fighters Taeth thinks are crap.

Why would I want to watch fighters I think are crap? I am not telling you not to, but I watch the fighters we are talking about way more often than you guys do. Whats the point in watching fighters that aren't talented? I don't mind in person, but on TV they are boring.

[Taeth]

Manny isn't too hard to find himself, and is completely ineffective while being backed up, which IMO he'll be doing plenty of against Cotto

Not true. Maybe old Manny but the newer version has added great movement and can fight on the back foot. Anyway he moves side to side more than he does straight back.

Pacquiao even did it in the Hatton fight, he jumped straight back into the ropes, i can guarantee you that if he does that crap of getting on the ropes against Cotto he's gonna pay a dear price

Thats such bullshit, first of all Manny has been hit around 20% against both Hatton and Oscar which is right around where they connected on Mayweather, I am not saying that he is as good defensively as MAyweather, but the only guy who has connected on him easily in the past 5-6 fights is Marquez, and thats because of Marquez's speed and coutnering ability which are both beyond Cotto's.

Morales couldn't do it in their last fight, Solis didn't land solidly a whole lot, David Diaz couldn't, Barrera couldn't, ODLH couldn't, and Hatton couldn't.

Also Pacquiao was backing up against both Hatton and ODLH and he landed fine against htem, he was backing up against David Diaz, and he landed fine against him. Maybe you guys should watch more tape of the fighters in question and stop asking me why I don't watch guys who have 16-9 records.

Also Manny was also caught on the ropes once or twice against ODLH who hits harder than Cotto, and he wasn't stopped. Hatton didn't bother him when he caught on the ropes(which in part is because Hatton is way faster of foot than Cotto which I have said 100000 times).

[CGM]

Cotto takes a one-two on the point of his chin and drops like a puppet with his strings cut. Sometime before the end of round six.

[KKisser]

Cotto should not have agreed to the catchweight fullstop. Who else was Manny going to fight that could have stimulated some interest at a catchweight and make the same money? Mosley....Berto...Collazo?

Cotto is a bigger draw than those guys and he yet he gives up some of his natural weight advantage. A bit of a cop out. Manny had nowhere else to turn really. He really doesn't want to fight Mosley nor resort to fighting minor players like Berto. And yet we got the cop out result.

If Cotto beats the living Jesus out of him it's all good. Which I think he might do. But otherwise, catchweights really, really suck. Cotto beats a midget then I say fair enough because he drained down to the midgets current size.

Don't worry Miles,

Cotto's career high payday compensated for the couple of pounds lost in weight

Yep, he's a smart businessman too. I don't like these catchweights, that's all. Pac beat Hatton up fair and square and that was cool. I can give credit. Manny beat him up, Hatton was stupid but that's life. But to now try and use catchweights to secure advantages is really crappy and weak. It shows a Manny at the end of his limits trying to take what he can at the least cost. And as a purist, I just hate that.

would you give cotto full credit if he beat the smaller pac at 147? why don't they just fight at 140 so that cotto would get tons of credit and manny's belt at the same time? well anyway, this fight isn't for any belt i heard so i don't see why a couple of pounds would matter. if cotto wins at 145 he'd get more credit than if the fight is at 147.

[OumaFan]

LOL I'm not arguing that he doesn't move back from time to time, who doesn't? Saying he's "completely ineffective" when he's getting backed up is what I'm arguing, that's way off. He let Hatton take the lead, he moved and fought off his back foot some and that worked out ok

he backed up directly on the rope and took a few shots but mainly was able to circle off cause Hatton was sloppy and careless, Cotto isn't Hatton

Cotto isn't Hatton, and he also doesn't have half of Hatton's footspeed. If you need proof of that watch them both against Paulie. I know Cotto was weight drained, but if you watch him in that fight then as a welterweight, you will see he moved quicker in that fight then he does as a welterweight.

Also Ouma, if there is a big fight I watch pretty solely the guys who are going to fight everyday. I like to do it. I've seen so much tape of Cotto and PAcquiao its not even funny.

I was the one when you all said Pacquiao was going to be blown away by Oscar and was just fighting him for a payday, I thought he would lose in a close fight.

I thought Hopkins was going to beat Pavlik in their fight.

I thought Mosley was going to put up a good fight with Margarito, and that he was going to be stopped, so many people argued with me on these points yet I was broke down what was going to happen, and it did.

I said Hopkins' movement would give Pavlik fits and that he wouldn't be able to get off and that Hopkins was too accurate, and too good defensively, and thats what happened. I said it would be because Pavlik didn't have fast enough footwork and Hopkins would be able to stay out of his range which he did.

For Pacquiao against Oscar, I said the chance he has is that everytime Mayweather and Forbes threw punches against Oscar, he didn't try to counter, I could see he was gun shy in that regard, I was wrong in that I thought Manny wouldn't be so elusive, but if you look at the difference between how he fought OScar and how Floyd did, is that Manny used so much more movement, Floyd has such good defensive he doesn't move as much as he could or maybe should, but Manny didn't let OScar close the gap.

For Mosley-Margarito I was saying for so long that Mosley's footspeed was much greater than Cotto's, and that he was way more durable. I thought Margarito would just outwork Mosley in the long run, but I said there is no way Mosley would get stopped by Margarito or that he would be blown out. People thought I was crazy to think guys like Mayorga or Vargas could be compared to Margarito, but I've been saying for years that Margarito is slow and with decent footspeed and countering skills he's wide open.

I've said for a years Cotto is great if he can reach you, but I think Manny and Floyd are the only guys around his weight class, that he won't be able to find in there. We see that he isn't as effective against Clottey as he was against Mosley, and I think its because Clottey was blocking a lot more than Mosley. IMO Cotto being as sharp as he is, and as good with distance and timing as he is will make it even worse for him, because he will know that Manny is outside his range, he will know that Manny will be able to get in and out before he can respond, it will take maybe a round or two for Miguel to realize that he can't reach Manny, and I honestly don't know what he can do to change it.

If someone can give me a good reason why Cotto can close that distance then I think he would win, but he doesn't use a lot of headmovement when he comes forward and his feet are so slow. Mosley was trying to react to Cotto because he thought he was a lot faster which was a mistake, and Manny won't do that, he will just get the hell out of dodge.

So you were 1-2 on those three Just fucking with you.

Not to toot my own horn but I went 3 for 3 on those on the prediction contest. Granted I think the Pac one I kind of just said the hell with it and picked him. The Hopkins one was the only one I was really out and out confident about.

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I'm the new Pacdbest

[OumaFan]

A flat-footed Oscar De La Hoya is faster than Cotto on his toes, he doesn't move quickly.

+ if you are talking about me, I watch more fights than 90% of hte people on here. Just because I spent more time watching the top end guys, or the guys who are up and coming wiht potential, doesn't mean I don't watch as much as you guys who watch c or d level guys a lot.

I read shit like JT is spouting that Pacquiao has never been tested above 135, then I guess Oscar's fights against Steve Forbes, Mayorga, and Mayweather count for nothing. It had absolutely nothing to do with how good Pacquiao that he won the way he did against Oscar. Or how he beat Ricky Hatton. Who is better than Ricky Hatton at 140? Nobody.

Who is better than Cotto who is still active at welterweight? Nobody.
Yes I think Cotto is better than more athletic guys like MOsley, Berto, and Zab Judah, but none of them are as good as Pacquiao.

People say I always pick the athlete, but I remember of late picking Oscar over Pacquiao, I thought Hatton-Pacquiao was going to be tough, but I was wrong both times, and even Pacquiao-Diaz I thought was going to be a really tough fight for Manny, because I thought he would be an easy target, but I was wrong.

You guys say I am getting carried away with Manny? I am not the one who things Cotto is a superb counter puncher. He's good at it, but its definitely not his bread and butter.

I am not assuming 100% that Manny wins, but I am sure like I was with Hopkins-Pavlik, Mayweather vs anyone(except Maybe Pacquiao), Calzaghe-Jones.

Pacquiao will win, but I already have my answer in regards to people. I already know 90% of you who don't like Manny will have excuses just like you did after he beat ODLH and Hatton. All I have to say is look back 3 years, I used to hate Manny, and there is a reason why I don't anymore, he has changed my mind.

IMO this isn't Manny's hardest fight, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera as complete fighters all brought more to the table than Cotto. I think Cotto is a great fighter, but his lack of durablity IMO takes him off ATG charts. Despite his great heart, he is too easy to hit, and too easy to hurt.

Err, yeah I think it kinda does. Because the majority of the really hardcore fans that watch all of the "D and C level fights" also watch the big names and prospects that you watch. They don't consciously limit themselves to fighters Taeth thinks are crap.

Why would I want to watch fighters I think are crap? I am not telling you not to, but I watch the fighters we are talking about way more often than you guys do. Whats the point in watching fighters that aren't talented? I don't mind in person, but on TV they are boring.

That's not my point. I could care less who you watch. I was just saying that if somebody watches all the big fights, past and present, all the big prospects, and the "d and c level guys" then they're going to have watched more boxing than you. Not that I care a great deal either way.