When Pacquiao beats Cotto

[Gandalf]

Don't worry Miles,

Cotto's career high payday compensated for the couple of pounds lost in weight

Yep, he's a smart businessman too. I don't like these catchweights, that's all. Pac beat Hatton up fair and square and that was cool. I can give credit. Manny beat him up, Hatton was stupid but that's life. But to now try and use catchweights to secure advantages is really crappy and weak. It shows a Manny at the end of his limits trying to take what he can at the least cost. And as a purist, I just hate that.

would you give cotto full credit if he beat the smaller pac at 147? why don't they just fight at 140 so that cotto would get tons of credit and manny's belt at the same time? well anyway, this fight isn't for any belt i heard so i don't see why a couple of pounds would matter. if cotto wins at 145 he'd get more credit than if the fight is at 147.

Cotto couldn't make 140 unless they cut off half an arm.

I question the validity of the catchweight. Like I say if Manny wants to fight the WW's then he should go to 147. I don't care about belts or any of that. I like the parameters we have in boxing, I like the weight classes we currently have and would like fighters to adhere to them. If 2 pounds is really nothing then why has Manny demanded it? Because he is ekeing out any advantage that he can. There are few big paydays at 140 and Manny is on the cash out stage of his career. Cotto has agreed to it too, so in that regard you could say what is the problem? Both fighters are recieving huge pay days for this fight and the fans are going to get a fight they want. But that 2 pounds difference will always be there.

[KKisser]

yeah miles, but you're looking at the picture only from one side. it's not as if pac is the only one who wanted this fight. why is cotto picking on the smaller man? money may sure is getting a lot of flack for picking on the smaller jmm who a lot of you think won over manny, and pbf isn't even naturally bigger than cotto.

[Taeth]

They will have watched more individual fights, but not more fighting, I carry it on my ipod and I don't have to be in front of the tv to watch boxing. People can watch all the shitty fighters they want, I would challenge if it wasn't ridiculous anyone in how many times they've watched certain Mayweather or Pacquiao, or even Cotto fights.

I watch past and present fights, and especially older fights of good fighters. I just don't watch crappy fighters.

Also Ouma, congrats on picking those fights, but those are fights people in general thought would be blow outs the other way where I have disagreed, I am usually right on who I think is going to win, and often how.

[Gandalf]

yeah miles, but you're looking at the picture only from one side. it's not as if pac is the only one who wanted this fight. why is cotto picking on the smaller man? money may sure is getting a lot of flack for picking on the smaller jmm who a lot of you think won over manny, and pbf isn't even naturally bigger than cotto.

Yep, I totally get where you are coming from. But I see Manny as a JWW now, going up another division should be just that, which is the full seven pounds. Marquez going up practically two divisions in one fell swoop deserves more scrutiny really, because that is Mayweather being way too cynical.

Expecting a fighter to go up one weight class and to do it properly isn't too much to ask IMO. Both fighters are chasing the money here and both think a weight gain or deficit is the way to go about it. And let's not forget that Manny has already fought DLH above 140 pounds, it's not as if it is a whole new thing for him.

[CGM]

yeah miles, but you're looking at the picture only from one side. it's not as if pac is the only one who wanted this fight. why is cotto picking on the smaller man? money may sure is getting a lot of flack for picking on the smaller jmm who a lot of you think won over manny, and pbf isn't even naturally bigger than cotto.

Yep, I totally get where you are coming from. But I see Manny as a JWW now, going up another division should be just that, which is the full seven pounds. Marquez going up practically two divisions in one fell swoop deserves more scrutiny really, because that is Mayweather being way too cynical.

Expecting a fighter to go up one weight class and to do it properly isn't too much to ask IMO. Both fighters are chasing the money here and both think a weight gain or deficit is the way to go about it. And let's not forget that Manny has already fought DLH above 140 pounds, it's not as if it is a whole new thing for him.

Not if they are good it's not. But some just can't do it. But PAC and PBF sure did LOL

[Howlin Mad Missy]

yeah miles, but you're looking at the picture only from one side. it's not as if pac is the only one who wanted this fight. why is cotto picking on the smaller man? money may sure is getting a lot of flack for picking on the smaller jmm who a lot of you think won over manny, and pbf isn't even naturally bigger than cotto.

you sure is dumb

It is from one side because that's the only side making demands of Cotto to cut more weight. Y'see how that works now?

I think Cotto should say yes to whatever weight Roach wants them ignore it and come in at his ususal weight.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Who is better than Cotto who is still active at welterweight? Nobody.
Yes I think Cotto is better than more athletic guys like MOsley, Berto, and Zab Judah, but none of them are as good as Pacquiao.


IMO this isn't Manny's hardest fight, Marquez, Morales, and Barrera as complete fighters all brought more to the table than Cotto. I think Cotto is a great fighter, but his lack of durablity IMO takes him off ATG charts. Despite his great heart, he is too easy to hit, and too easy to hurt.

Cotto is a solid enough fighter, the only thing I see that he has over Mosely is the advantage of youth, he's not quicker or slicker in any department hence Roach didn't want him. Mosley could have turned in a great performance or a bad one at this stage in his career. That would be too risky so they're gone for the fighter that is predictable.

I think Cotto is a tougher test than Hatton.

[Snakey]

When was the last time pac beat someone who was coming off a dominant win? It seems like alot of his wins come after his opponent has had a less then impressive showing in their last fight or have lost. Dela hoyas last win was against forbes and he didnt exactly go and knock forbes out, outboxed him for 12 rounds but it wasnt an awesome jaw dropping performance.To make matters worse Dela Hoya didnt just fight terrible, he looked terrible. It was quite obvious he was weight drained and i dont think anyone can dispute that. Ricky Hatton looked less then impressive against Malignaggi and had bad moments against a light hitting Lazcano. Diaz had a majority decision win against montano and a close fight against Morales and was never going to beat pac. Morales looked terrible against zaheem and even gets beaten and pac destroys him afterwards.


All of these wins are the ones he has looked nothing short of awesome in. These are the wins that had all pac fans screaming that we had a new god


Now before someone jumps up and calls me a hater, i have nothing against pac. He is without a doubt an awesome fighter. I have picked against him in his last 2 fights, was i sad he won? No. I thought he would lose, not hoped he would lose. But these are the obvious observations. You want to know why hes having trouble getting credit, these are the reasons. You drain a guy until he can barely throw a punch, of course he isnt going to put up a good fight. Hatton was always going to get sparked it was just a matter of when. I thought his chin would hold and i thought if he could fight smart and wear him down but I was wrong especially with hatton rushing in the way he did.

So if we had of known dela hoya would be extremely weight drained before the fight, if it was known 100% that he would be weight drained before the fight...would it of been that big of a shock to us all that pac would pepper him with fast combos all night until it was stopped? If we had of known hattons punch resistance was not all that great these days before the fight, would we of been shocked by such a knock out? The answer is no! Because we all knew pac had the tools to beat these guys, just the right factors would have to be there for to happen.

[Fenster]

yeah miles, but you're looking at the picture only from one side. it's not as if pac is the only one who wanted this fight. why is cotto picking on the smaller man? money may sure is getting a lot of flack for picking on the smaller jmm who a lot of you think won over manny, and pbf isn't even naturally bigger than cotto.

you sure is dumb

It is from one side because that's the only side making demands of Cotto to cut more weight. Y'see how that works now?

I think Cotto should say yes to whatever weight Roach wants them ignore it and come in at his ususal weight.

I don't think Cotto will think that's such a good idea.. he'll probably have his wages docked

[Howlin Mad Missy]

yeah miles, but you're looking at the picture only from one side. it's not as if pac is the only one who wanted this fight. why is cotto picking on the smaller man? money may sure is getting a lot of flack for picking on the smaller jmm who a lot of you think won over manny, and pbf isn't even naturally bigger than cotto.

you sure is dumb

It is from one side because that's the only side making demands of Cotto to cut more weight. Y'see how that works now?

I think Cotto should say yes to whatever weight Roach wants them ignore it and come in at his ususal weight.

I don't think Cotto will think that's such a good idea.. he'll probably have his wages docked

ah but if he gets the win It's not like losing your title on the scales or do we have a new weight division, 'whatever freddie roach says'.

If these tactics were in place outside of boxing people would be calling it out for the BS it is.

[Fenster]

you sure is dumb

It is from one side because that's the only side making demands of Cotto to cut more weight. Y'see how that works now?

I think Cotto should say yes to whatever weight Roach wants them ignore it and come in at his ususal weight.

I don't think Cotto will think that's such a good idea.. he'll probably have his wages docked

ah but if he gets the win It's not like losing your title on the scales or do we have a new weight division, 'whatever freddie roach says'.

If these tactics were in place outside of boxing people would be calling it out for the BS it is.

But they can just threaten to pull out should he weigh over. And obviously that's no good for anyone.

Remember this is a career high payday for Cotto, and obviously a fight he believes he can win otherwise he'd have refused it.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I don't think Cotto will think that's such a good idea.. he'll probably have his wages docked

ah but if he gets the win It's not like losing your title on the scales or do we have a new weight division, 'whatever freddie roach says'.

If these tactics were in place outside of boxing people would be calling it out for the BS it is.

But they can just threaten to pull out should he weigh over. And obviously that's no good for anyone.

Remember this is a career high payday for Cotto, and obviously a fight he believes he can win otherwise he'd have refused it.

Unlikely. You seem to think it's good to insist on bringing a fighter down in weight? How is that good? These guys work real hard to make weight, it's not like the rest of the tubby world dropping a couple of pounds. It's much easier to add it than to trim fat when you don't have much to lose anyway.

Oh let's have a race I'll drive a Ferrari but you can only have a Skoda but you will get paid a lot. That's fair.

[Fenster]

ah but if he gets the win It's not like losing your title on the scales or do we have a new weight division, 'whatever freddie roach says'.

If these tactics were in place outside of boxing people would be calling it out for the BS it is.

But they can just threaten to pull out should he weigh over. And obviously that's no good for anyone.

Remember this is a career high payday for Cotto, and obviously a fight he believes he can win otherwise he'd have refused it.

Unlikely. You seem to think it's good to insist on bringing a fighter down in weight? How is that good? These guys work real hard to make weight, it's not like the rest of the tubby world dropping a couple of pounds. It's much easier to add it than to trim fat when you don't have much to lose anyway.

Oh lets have a race I'll drive a Ferrari but you can only have a Skoda but you will get paid a lot. That's fair.

Well its happened in the past.

No - i don't care what weight they fight at. I want to see great fights and this is a great match-up.

Cotto has no problem with fighting at 145.. so what's the problem?

I bet he was far more concerned with how much money he would make than the couple of pound in weight

[El Kabong]

This fight will show us a couple of things #1 If Cotto is the same fighter he was before the Margarito fight and #2 If Pacquiao handles bodywork better than he used to.

Sure Cotto has been buzzed by a southpaw before (Zab Judah)...but I think he's got enough in him to beat Manny if he fights smart and is able to adapt to his new trainer.

[KKisser]

yeah miles, but you're looking at the picture only from one side. it's not as if pac is the only one who wanted this fight. why is cotto picking on the smaller man? money may sure is getting a lot of flack for picking on the smaller jmm who a lot of you think won over manny, and pbf isn't even naturally bigger than cotto.

you sure is dumb

It is from one side because that's the only side making demands of Cotto to cut more weight. Y'see how that works now?

I think Cotto should say yes to whatever weight Roach wants them ignore it and come in at his ususal weight.

cotto wanted it at 145 while pac wanted it at 143. pac gave in to cotto's demand, so that seems to be the end of it.
nothing more to say. lol