When Pacquiao beats Cotto

[KKisser]

Cotto should not have agreed to the catchweight fullstop. Who else was Manny going to fight that could have stimulated some interest at a catchweight and make the same money? Mosley....Berto...Collazo?

Cotto is a bigger draw than those guys and he yet he gives up some of his natural weight advantage. A bit of a cop out. Manny had nowhere else to turn really. He really doesn't want to fight Mosley nor resort to fighting minor players like Berto. And yet we got the cop out result.

If Cotto beats the living Jesus out of him it's all good. Which I think he might do. But otherwise, catchweights really, really suck. Cotto beats a midget then I say fair enough because he drained down to the midgets current size.

Don't worry Miles,

Cotto's career high payday compensated for the couple of pounds lost in weight

Yep, he's a smart businessman too. I don't like these catchweights, that's all. Pac beat Hatton up fair and square and that was cool. I can give credit. Manny beat him up, Hatton was stupid but that's life. But to now try and use catchweights to secure advantages is really crappy and weak. It shows a Manny at the end of his limits trying to take what he can at the least cost. And as a purist, I just hate that.

would you give cotto full credit if he beat the smaller pac at 147? why don't they just fight at 140 so that cotto would get tons of credit and manny's belt at the same time? well anyway, this fight isn't for any belt i heard so i don't see why a couple of pounds would matter. if cotto wins at 145 he'd get more credit than if the fight is at 147.

[Gandalf]

Don't worry Miles,

Cotto's career high payday compensated for the couple of pounds lost in weight

Yep, he's a smart businessman too. I don't like these catchweights, that's all. Pac beat Hatton up fair and square and that was cool. I can give credit. Manny beat him up, Hatton was stupid but that's life. But to now try and use catchweights to secure advantages is really crappy and weak. It shows a Manny at the end of his limits trying to take what he can at the least cost. And as a purist, I just hate that.

would you give cotto full credit if he beat the smaller pac at 147? why don't they just fight at 140 so that cotto would get tons of credit and manny's belt at the same time? well anyway, this fight isn't for any belt i heard so i don't see why a couple of pounds would matter. if cotto wins at 145 he'd get more credit than if the fight is at 147.

Cotto couldn't make 140 unless they cut off half an arm.

I question the validity of the catchweight. Like I say if Manny wants to fight the WW's then he should go to 147. I don't care about belts or any of that. I like the parameters we have in boxing, I like the weight classes we currently have and would like fighters to adhere to them. If 2 pounds is really nothing then why has Manny demanded it? Because he is ekeing out any advantage that he can. There are few big paydays at 140 and Manny is on the cash out stage of his career. Cotto has agreed to it too, so in that regard you could say what is the problem? Both fighters are recieving huge pay days for this fight and the fans are going to get a fight they want. But that 2 pounds difference will always be there.

[KKisser]

yeah miles, but you're looking at the picture only from one side. it's not as if pac is the only one who wanted this fight. why is cotto picking on the smaller man? money may sure is getting a lot of flack for picking on the smaller jmm who a lot of you think won over manny, and pbf isn't even naturally bigger than cotto.

[Gandalf]

yeah miles, but you're looking at the picture only from one side. it's not as if pac is the only one who wanted this fight. why is cotto picking on the smaller man? money may sure is getting a lot of flack for picking on the smaller jmm who a lot of you think won over manny, and pbf isn't even naturally bigger than cotto.

Yep, I totally get where you are coming from. But I see Manny as a JWW now, going up another division should be just that, which is the full seven pounds. Marquez going up practically two divisions in one fell swoop deserves more scrutiny really, because that is Mayweather being way too cynical.

Expecting a fighter to go up one weight class and to do it properly isn't too much to ask IMO. Both fighters are chasing the money here and both think a weight gain or deficit is the way to go about it. And let's not forget that Manny has already fought DLH above 140 pounds, it's not as if it is a whole new thing for him.

[CGM]

yeah miles, but you're looking at the picture only from one side. it's not as if pac is the only one who wanted this fight. why is cotto picking on the smaller man? money may sure is getting a lot of flack for picking on the smaller jmm who a lot of you think won over manny, and pbf isn't even naturally bigger than cotto.

Yep, I totally get where you are coming from. But I see Manny as a JWW now, going up another division should be just that, which is the full seven pounds. Marquez going up practically two divisions in one fell swoop deserves more scrutiny really, because that is Mayweather being way too cynical.

Expecting a fighter to go up one weight class and to do it properly isn't too much to ask IMO. Both fighters are chasing the money here and both think a weight gain or deficit is the way to go about it. And let's not forget that Manny has already fought DLH above 140 pounds, it's not as if it is a whole new thing for him.

Not if they are good it's not. But some just can't do it. But PAC and PBF sure did LOL

[KKisser]

yeah miles, but you're looking at the picture only from one side. it's not as if pac is the only one who wanted this fight. why is cotto picking on the smaller man? money may sure is getting a lot of flack for picking on the smaller jmm who a lot of you think won over manny, and pbf isn't even naturally bigger than cotto.

Yep, I totally get where you are coming from. But I see Manny as a JWW now, going up another division should be just that, which is the full seven pounds. Marquez going up practically two divisions in one fell swoop deserves more scrutiny really, because that is Mayweather being way too cynical.

Expecting a fighter to go up one weight class and to do it properly isn't too much to ask IMO. Both fighters are chasing the money here and both think a weight gain or deficit is the way to go about it. And let's not forget that Manny has already fought DLH above 140 pounds, it's not as if it is a whole new thing for him.

yup, manny was 142 at weigh-in for dela hoya and 139 last time out, both the heaviest he's been at.

[JT Rock]

yeah miles, but you're looking at the picture only from one side. it's not as if pac is the only one who wanted this fight. why is cotto picking on the smaller man? money may sure is getting a lot of flack for picking on the smaller jmm who a lot of you think won over manny, and pbf isn't even naturally bigger than cotto.

Yep, I totally get where you are coming from. But I see Manny as a JWW now, going up another division should be just that, which is the full seven pounds. Marquez going up practically two divisions in one fell swoop deserves more scrutiny really, because that is Mayweather being way too cynical.

Expecting a fighter to go up one weight class and to do it properly isn't too much to ask IMO. Both fighters are chasing the money here and both think a weight gain or deficit is the way to go about it. And let's not forget that Manny has already fought DLH above 140 pounds, it's not as if it is a whole new thing for him.

yup, manny was 142 at weigh-in for dela hoya and 139 last time out, both the heaviest he's been at.

He weighed 148lbs the night of the DLH fight.. There is quite a blurry line for weigh in/ fight night weight. You can be technical about it and granted thats the rules but we know the majority of fighters gain a significant amount of weight fight night.

[KKisser]

as much as i'd like this fight to be at the 147lb limit, everyone would agree that these two belong in 2 different weight classes. pac at fightnight has been known to weigh up to 148 and cotto as high as 160lbs. both want the fight because there's big money in it and as long as a belt isn't on the line and any of fighter isn't placed at too much of a disadvantage by the weight loss or gain, there shouldn't really be any objection to a catchweight. it's not as if it hasn't been done before. hopkins whoop pavlik at a catchweight. cotto's nutritionist did state that the lowest miguel can go is 144lbs. so he shouldn't have any problem with 145. just 3 years ago cotto was 138 for the malignaggi fight while pac the same year was 129. i just don't get why manny would get the flack by asking for a catchweight. again i ask, would you give cotto full credit if he beat pac at 147? 145 would somehow even the playing field and a victory for cotto would be more sweet.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

yeah miles, but you're looking at the picture only from one side. it's not as if pac is the only one who wanted this fight. why is cotto picking on the smaller man? money may sure is getting a lot of flack for picking on the smaller jmm who a lot of you think won over manny, and pbf isn't even naturally bigger than cotto.

you sure is dumb

It is from one side because that's the only side making demands of Cotto to cut more weight. Y'see how that works now?

I think Cotto should say yes to whatever weight Roach wants them ignore it and come in at his ususal weight.

[Fenster]

yeah miles, but you're looking at the picture only from one side. it's not as if pac is the only one who wanted this fight. why is cotto picking on the smaller man? money may sure is getting a lot of flack for picking on the smaller jmm who a lot of you think won over manny, and pbf isn't even naturally bigger than cotto.

you sure is dumb

It is from one side because that's the only side making demands of Cotto to cut more weight. Y'see how that works now?

I think Cotto should say yes to whatever weight Roach wants them ignore it and come in at his ususal weight.

I don't think Cotto will think that's such a good idea.. he'll probably have his wages docked

[Howlin Mad Missy]

yeah miles, but you're looking at the picture only from one side. it's not as if pac is the only one who wanted this fight. why is cotto picking on the smaller man? money may sure is getting a lot of flack for picking on the smaller jmm who a lot of you think won over manny, and pbf isn't even naturally bigger than cotto.

you sure is dumb

It is from one side because that's the only side making demands of Cotto to cut more weight. Y'see how that works now?

I think Cotto should say yes to whatever weight Roach wants them ignore it and come in at his ususal weight.

I don't think Cotto will think that's such a good idea.. he'll probably have his wages docked

ah but if he gets the win It's not like losing your title on the scales or do we have a new weight division, 'whatever freddie roach says'.

If these tactics were in place outside of boxing people would be calling it out for the BS it is.

[Fenster]

you sure is dumb

It is from one side because that's the only side making demands of Cotto to cut more weight. Y'see how that works now?

I think Cotto should say yes to whatever weight Roach wants them ignore it and come in at his ususal weight.

I don't think Cotto will think that's such a good idea.. he'll probably have his wages docked

ah but if he gets the win It's not like losing your title on the scales or do we have a new weight division, 'whatever freddie roach says'.

If these tactics were in place outside of boxing people would be calling it out for the BS it is.

But they can just threaten to pull out should he weigh over. And obviously that's no good for anyone.

Remember this is a career high payday for Cotto, and obviously a fight he believes he can win otherwise he'd have refused it.

[KKisser]

yeah miles, but you're looking at the picture only from one side. it's not as if pac is the only one who wanted this fight. why is cotto picking on the smaller man? money may sure is getting a lot of flack for picking on the smaller jmm who a lot of you think won over manny, and pbf isn't even naturally bigger than cotto.

you sure is dumb

It is from one side because that's the only side making demands of Cotto to cut more weight. Y'see how that works now?

I think Cotto should say yes to whatever weight Roach wants them ignore it and come in at his ususal weight.

cotto wanted it at 145 while pac wanted it at 143. pac gave in to cotto's demand, so that seems to be the end of it.
nothing more to say. lol

[Howlin Mad Missy]

yeah miles, but you're looking at the picture only from one side. it's not as if pac is the only one who wanted this fight. why is cotto picking on the smaller man? money may sure is getting a lot of flack for picking on the smaller jmm who a lot of you think won over manny, and pbf isn't even naturally bigger than cotto.

you sure is dumb

It is from one side because that's the only side making demands of Cotto to cut more weight. Y'see how that works now?

I think Cotto should say yes to whatever weight Roach wants them ignore it and come in at his ususal weight.

cotto wanted it at 145 while pac wanted it at 143. pac gave in to cotto's demand, so that seems to be the end of it.
nothing more to say. lol

I'll bet all my money he wanted 147 but knew he wouldn't get it.