When Pacquiao beats Cotto

[ElTerribleMorales]

The title holders who Floyd Mayweather Jr. DID NOT fight:

Welterweight: Miguel Cotto, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Shane Mosley, Luis Collazo, Carlos Quintana

There was a chance for him to fight Mosley after the Oscar fight, but Mosley chose to fight Cotto instead after pulling out with a toothache. I'm not trying to aim at Mosley, because I don't believe he ducks guys, but it's not like the opportunity wasn't there for him. Collazo & Quintana were never legitimate contenders & had he fought them he would of caught hell for it. I would of liked to see him fight Margarito if only so that cheating bastard never had anything to bitch about. Williams gets ducked by EVERYBODY after he beat Margarito, even Shane Mosley said he's high-risk, low-reward. A Cotto fight would have been good, & the Cotto who fought Mosley & Judah was a guy who looked like he would have been very difficult to beat. However, the 'Cotto-Mayweather' bandwagon didn't really heat up until after Cotto beat Judah, at which point a Hatton fight was already signed. But it would have been good to have seen him fight any one of Mosley, Margacheato or Cotto.

Light Welterweight: Miguel Cotto, Vivian Harris, Kostya Tszyu

He should of fought Tszyu instead of Gatti & possibly Cotto. Harris was getting KO'd before Floyd even had a belt though. I do think after he won the WBC belt he should've gone for a unification with either Cotto or Hatton though.

Lightweight: Paul Spadafora, Leonard Dorin, Artur Grigorian

You can't be serious with any of these. Mayweather used Spadafora for sparring, no-one was clamouring to see any of these fights, bar Mayweather they were all seen as weak alphabet holders. The 2 best guys in the division, Castillo & Corrales, he had already beaten.

SuperFeather: Joel Casamayor, Acelino Freitas

Both these guys were fighting weak opposition & were not seeking to fight anyone of note until they actually fought each other AFTER PBF had gone up to LW. Casamayor fought guys who quite frankly weren't fit to tie his shoes & the only guy Freitas fought of any note was a faded Jauregui.

...I think a couple of those guys would have done OK with Floyd, guess we'll never know, infact I KNOW I will catch hell for even posting such a blasphem against the All Great Floyd Mayweather Jr. the fighter who is great not because of WHO he fights but only because of the skill he has

Replies to your list above. I get the impression you googled & saw who were the champs at the same time he was in the division there regardless of what they were doing at the time

You have legitimate complaints about at least 1 of the divisions, but not SFW or LW.

agree with most of what you said, but Collazo was WBA CHAMPION, and afterwards Quintana WBO CHAMPION, it's true Quintana lost it the first defense in a rematch against the guy he beat, but to say neither of the two were real contenders is kinda a joke

[JazMerkin]

The title holders who Floyd Mayweather Jr. DID NOT fight:

Welterweight: Miguel Cotto, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Shane Mosley, Luis Collazo, Carlos Quintana

There was a chance for him to fight Mosley after the Oscar fight, but Mosley chose to fight Cotto instead after pulling out with a toothache. I'm not trying to aim at Mosley, because I don't believe he ducks guys, but it's not like the opportunity wasn't there for him. Collazo & Quintana were never legitimate contenders & had he fought them he would of caught hell for it. I would of liked to see him fight Margarito if only so that cheating bastard never had anything to bitch about. Williams gets ducked by EVERYBODY after he beat Margarito, even Shane Mosley said he's high-risk, low-reward. A Cotto fight would have been good, & the Cotto who fought Mosley & Judah was a guy who looked like he would have been very difficult to beat. However, the 'Cotto-Mayweather' bandwagon didn't really heat up until after Cotto beat Judah, at which point a Hatton fight was already signed. But it would have been good to have seen him fight any one of Mosley, Margacheato or Cotto.

Light Welterweight: Miguel Cotto, Vivian Harris, Kostya Tszyu

He should of fought Tszyu instead of Gatti & possibly Cotto. Harris was getting KO'd before Floyd even had a belt though. I do think after he won the WBC belt he should've gone for a unification with either Cotto or Hatton though.

Lightweight: Paul Spadafora, Leonard Dorin, Artur Grigorian

You can't be serious with any of these. Mayweather used Spadafora for sparring, no-one was clamouring to see any of these fights, bar Mayweather they were all seen as weak alphabet holders. The 2 best guys in the division, Castillo & Corrales, he had already beaten.

SuperFeather: Joel Casamayor, Acelino Freitas

Both these guys were fighting weak opposition & were not seeking to fight anyone of note until they actually fought each other AFTER PBF had gone up to LW. Casamayor fought guys who quite frankly weren't fit to tie his shoes & the only guy Freitas fought of any note was a faded Jauregui.

...I think a couple of those guys would have done OK with Floyd, guess we'll never know, infact I KNOW I will catch hell for even posting such a blasphem against the All Great Floyd Mayweather Jr. the fighter who is great not because of WHO he fights but only because of the skill he has

Replies to your list above. I get the impression you googled & saw who were the champs at the same time he was in the division there regardless of what they were doing at the time

You have legitimate complaints about at least 1 of the divisions, but not SFW or LW.

agree with most of what you said, but Collazo was WBA CHAMPION, and afterwards Quintana WBO CHAMPION, it's true Quintana lost it the first defense in a rematch against the guy he beat, but to say neither of the two were real contenders is kinda a joke

What I mean is neither of them were guys who people were clamouring to see fight for the lineal championships, they weren't in the Top 3 of the division at those times. I mean Quintana even when he beat Williams was still behind Cotto & Mosley IMO. Having a paper belt doesn't mean you deserve to fight for the best in the division as you yourself have said numerous times about Berto.

[El Kabong]

#1 If it was so easy to beat these guys then why not unify?

#2 I was just stating who he didn't fight....the only guys I really think he should have fought were Cotto, Mosley, Williams, and maybe Margarito and MAYBE Freitas

[Fenster]

Why noy UNIFY?

How can THE MAN unify? Unify what?

[El Kabong]

Why noy UNIFY?

How can THE MAN unify? Unify what?

The titles...Floyd has only ever had the WBC title in each and every weight class he's ever been in

[JazMerkin]

Why noy UNIFY?

How can THE MAN unify? Unify what?

The titles...Floyd has only ever had the WBC title in each and every weight class he's ever been in

He also had the IBF at 147, but dumped it as soon as they wanted a sanctioning fee

[JazMerkin]

#1 If it was so easy to beat these guys then why not unify?

#2 I was just stating who he didn't fight....the only guys I really think he should have fought were Cotto, Mosley, Williams, and maybe Margarito and MAYBE Freitas

#1 Lyle, you're not a stupid guy, you know it's not as simple as that. I think below 140 most of those guys, or at least their promoters weren't keen on the fights when they could defend alphabets. I believe Casamayor & Freitas' respective promoters Luis DeCubas & Arty Pelullo were not keen on risking them against guys who might beat them until the contracts were close to expiring when they fought one another. I personally don't see the point in unifying if those guys were not the best & in the lower divisions they were just little Valuevs. Becoming lineal champ is far more impressive in my eyes. I mean to use your favourite punching bag, do you rate David Haye's acheivements in unifying a weak CW division? I give him credit for the becoming the lineal champ more.

#2 I don't agree with Freitas for the reasons above. Mosley there's also the fact that he had the chance to make the fight with Mayweather but fought Cotto instead (not that I blame him, I understand he was getting a slightly better purse split in that fight). Now, I don't think Margarito deserves any fight being the cheating turd he is, but I think it was a fight that had he beaten him would of been another Baldomir. Williams & Cotto at 147 were legitimate challenges, as is Mosley now, so hopefully he fights at least 1 of them before retiring.

[El Kabong]

In hindsight, YES Margarito is a cheating turd, but at the time he was very scary challenge for Mayweather.

Think if FLOYD and not Shane had KO'd Margarito like that....not that it would happen, but I sure as hell would have been impressed. And if he had outboxed someone like Cotto or Paul Williams, that would have been spectacular....much more so than beating Ricky Hatton outside of Hatton's natural weight class.

[JazMerkin]

In hindsight, YES Margarito is a cheating turd, but at the time he was very scary challenge for Mayweather.

Think if FLOYD and not Shane had KO'd Margarito like that....not that it would happen, but I sure as hell would have been impressed. And if he had outboxed someone like Cotto or Paul Williams, that would have been spectacular....much more so than beating Ricky Hatton outside of Hatton's natural weight class.

I agree on all of that except for Hatton being outside of his weight-class. Hatton was further from where he started then Floyd, I think the same thing happens at 140, it was only an issue post-fight brought about by a British media desperate to find excuses for 'our Ricky'. Remember, Mayweather was coming down from LMW & Hatton had already won a belt at the weight, it was not seen as a problem by anybody pre-fight. I don't think Margarito was a scary challenge, but he was a high-risk, low-reward fight especially when compared with the similar risk for facing Oscar, but 5x the payday.

[El Kabong]

...Don't know how you can not make that excuse (about weight) after seeing Ricky struggle with Luis Collazo, I thought the PBF fight was pointless after that display.

Sure De la Hoya was a MUST HAVE...I don't understand why Shane Mosley isn't, but I digress. Margarito was very high risk, he was dangerous for Floyd as I am not sure how Floyd would handle someone that big...I mean De la Hoya was well past his best, but Margarito was in his prime and very rugged and very active.

I mean sure Floyd could have beaten any of those guys but we'll never know as he never fought them....nobody would have thought Buster Douglas would be the guy to KO Tyson or that Ali would be the guy to beat Sonny Liston, but stuff like that happens, styles make fights, and sometimes you don't have your A game.

I see Floyd a lot like Roy Jones Jr. extremely talented, almost unbeatable, wins damn near every round, but never took chances with his career...compare it to what Miguel Cotto has done and you have to appreciate the warrior that is Miguel Cotto

[generalbulldog]

At LW and SFF Floyd took on all comers but when he got to 140 there is a strong argument that he avoided the best there. I don't think anyone can say Gatti was the best at jr. welterweight.

Kostya was one of the most avoided fighters at 140 not even FLoyd and Oscar wanted a piece of him.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Replies to your list above. I get the impression you googled & saw who were the champs at the same time he was in the division there regardless of what they were doing at the time

You have legitimate complaints about at least 1 of the divisions, but not SFW or LW.

agree with most of what you said, but Collazo was WBA CHAMPION, and afterwards Quintana WBO CHAMPION, it's true Quintana lost it the first defense in a rematch against the guy he beat, but to say neither of the two were real contenders is kinda a joke

What I mean is neither of them were guys who people were clamouring to see fight for the lineal championships, they weren't in the Top 3 of the division at those times. I mean Quintana even when he beat Williams was still behind Cotto & Mosley IMO. Having a paper belt doesn't mean you deserve to fight for the best in the division as you yourself have said numerous times about Berto.

i agree with you on that