Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!

[ElTerribleMorales]

funny thing is that pretty much every OTHER division after 89 has a lineal champion put most as early as the early 90's

[rocky55]

well sorry last lineal champ at Flyweight was Yong-Kang Kim, there hasn't been a lineal champ since 1989

That's not right.. The Ring went out of buisness for a short time in 1989, when they restarted they stopped recognising lineal champs. That's why the lineage is lost in 1989. They then ignored their own history when they restarted the ratings years later.

You can trace Pac from Yong-Kang Kim.

Yong Kang Kim-Sot Chitalada-Maungchai Kittikasem-Yuri Arbachakov-Chatchai Sasakul-Manny Pacquiao.

The man who beat the man

I award thee this certificate based on a brilliant post.

this fenster guy must have ownage doctorate. perfectly owned the other guy elterrible.

[ElTerribleMorales]

yea he sure is this is coming from the same guy who had Witter as one of the top guys at 140

[Julius Rain]

ofcourse you dont agree he's held 4 lineal title, that something hard for a guy like you to do.

well sorry last lineal champ at Flyweight was Yong-Kang Kim, there hasn't been a lineal champ since 1989

That's not right.. The Ring went out of buisness for a short time in 1989, when they restarted they stopped recognising lineal champs. That's why the lineage is lost in 1989. They then ignored their own history when they restarted the ratings years later.

You can trace Pac from Yong-Kang Kim.

Yong Kang Kim-Sot Chitalada-Maungchai Kittikasem-Yuri Arbachakov-Chatchai Sasakul-Manny Pacquiao.

The man who beat the man

thanks fenster for not getting tired of having to explain that because i sure have.

well sorry last lineal champ at Flyweight was Yong-Kang Kim, there hasn't been a lineal champ since 1989

That's not right.. The Ring went out of buisness for a short time in 1989, when they restarted they stopped recognising lineal champs. That's why the lineage is lost in 1989. They then ignored their own history when they restarted the ratings years later.

You can trace Pac from Yong-Kang Kim.

Yong Kang Kim-Sot Chitalada-Maungchai Kittikasem-Yuri Arbachakov-Chatchai Sasakul-Manny Pacquiao.

The man who beat the man

I award thee this certificate based on a brilliant post.

That's not right.. The Ring went out of buisness for a short time in 1989, when they restarted they stopped recognising lineal champs. That's why the lineage is lost in 1989. They then ignored their own history when they restarted the ratings years later.

You can trace Pac from Yong-Kang Kim.

Yong Kang Kim-Sot Chitalada-Maungchai Kittikasem-Yuri Arbachakov-Chatchai Sasakul-Manny Pacquiao.

The man who beat the man

I award thee this certificate based on a brilliant post.

this fenster guy must have ownage doctorate. perfectly owned the other guy elterrible.

[Fenster]

yea he sure is this is coming from the same guy who had Witter as one of the top guys at 140

In 2005 Witter was rated no.5 best lightwelter on the planet by The Ring. Over the next couple of years, after winning the WBC title, he rose to no.1 best lightwelter on the planet according to The Ring.

If you are rated no.1 by The Ring it pretty much makes you a top fighter, right?

Now don't get upset ElTerribleMorales, my intention was not to "own" you, about Pac at flyweight, just to merely inform.

[Julius Rain]

somtimes, people do things they did not intend to do.

[Majesty]

yea he sure is this is coming from the same guy who had Witter as one of the top guys at 140

In 2005 Witter was rated no.5 best lightwelter on the planet by The Ring. Over the next couple of years, after winning the WBC title, he rose to no.1 best lightwelter on the planet according to The Ring.

If you are rated no.1 by The Ring it pretty much makes you a top fighter, right?

Now don't get upset ElTerribleMorales, my intention was not to "own" you, about Pac at flyweight, just to merely inform.

People intend to not acknowledge people for their wins but when they lose use it as proof that they would lose to their favorite fighter. Never say a word when Witter was beating Corley and sparked out Vivian Harris, but now will scream to high heavens years later that he'd never beat Hatton because of how he looked against Bradley. Well given how Hatton looked against Mayweather and Pacquiao it could easily be said its just as plausible that Witter would have KO'd him. But those days are long gone but at one point Witter was one of the top light welters in the world and his recent losses won't change he was in that position once in his career regardless.

[Fenster]

yea he sure is this is coming from the same guy who had Witter as one of the top guys at 140

In 2005 Witter was rated no.5 best lightwelter on the planet by The Ring. Over the next couple of years, after winning the WBC title, he rose to no.1 best lightwelter on the planet according to The Ring.

If you are rated no.1 by The Ring it pretty much makes you a top fighter, right?

Now don't get upset ElTerribleMorales, my intention was not to "own" you, about Pac at flyweight, just to merely inform.

People intend to not acknowledge people for their wins but when they lose use it as proof that they would lose to their favorite fighter. Never say a word when Witter was beating Corley and sparked out Vivian Harris, but now will scream to high heavens years later that he'd never beat Hatton because of how he looked against Bradley. Well given how Hatton looked against Mayweather and Pacquiao it could easily be said its just as plausible that Witter would have KO'd him. But those days are long gone but at one point Witter was one of the top light welters in the world and his recent losses won't change he was in that position once in his career regardless.

Exactly

[ElTerribleMorales]

yea he sure is this is coming from the same guy who had Witter as one of the top guys at 140

In 2005 Witter was rated no.5 best lightwelter on the planet by The Ring. Over the next couple of years, after winning the WBC title, he rose to no.1 best lightwelter on the planet according to The Ring.

If you are rated no.1 by The Ring it pretty much makes you a top fighter, right?

Now don't get upset ElTerribleMorales, my intention was not to "own" you, about Pac at flyweight, just to merely inform.

People intend to not acknowledge people for their wins but when they lose use it as proof that they would lose to their favorite fighter. Never say a word when Witter was beating Corley and sparked out Vivian Harris, but now will scream to high heavens years later that he'd never beat Hatton because of how he looked against Bradley. Well given how Hatton looked against Mayweather and Pacquiao it could easily be said its just as plausible that Witter would have KO'd him. But those days are long gone but at one point Witter was one of the top light welters in the world and his recent losses won't change he was in that position once in his career regardless.

you mean the same Corley who had already lost to Judah, Mayweather, and Cotto, and would go on a 5 fight losing streak after the Witter fight? and the same Vivian Harris who had lost to the oh so talented Carlos Maussa by brutal KO , and barely won in a lackluster fight against Lazcano just prior to the Witter loss? please i've always said that Witter was utter crap, said that when he actually stepped up against DECENT world talent he'd lose, and surprise surprise, he lost to Bradley and now QUIT against Alexander, i don't think much of Hatton, and think that Hatton would have owned Witter at any point of their careers, if he didn't ko him, the pussy would have just flat out quit, he's utter garbage, perfect example of a dude with a big mouth and not enough skills, heart, or balls to back it up

[Majesty]

In 2005 Witter was rated no.5 best lightwelter on the planet by The Ring. Over the next couple of years, after winning the WBC title, he rose to no.1 best lightwelter on the planet according to The Ring.

If you are rated no.1 by The Ring it pretty much makes you a top fighter, right?

Now don't get upset ElTerribleMorales, my intention was not to "own" you, about Pac at flyweight, just to merely inform.

People intend to not acknowledge people for their wins but when they lose use it as proof that they would lose to their favorite fighter. Never say a word when Witter was beating Corley and sparked out Vivian Harris, but now will scream to high heavens years later that he'd never beat Hatton because of how he looked against Bradley. Well given how Hatton looked against Mayweather and Pacquiao it could easily be said its just as plausible that Witter would have KO'd him. But those days are long gone but at one point Witter was one of the top light welters in the world and his recent losses won't change he was in that position once in his career regardless.

you mean the same Corley who had already lost to Judah, Mayweather, and Cotto, and would go on a 5 fight losing streak after the Witter fight? and the same Vivian Harris who had lost to the oh so talented Carlos Maussa by brutal KO , and barely won in a lackluster fight against Lazcano just prior to the Witter loss? please i've always said that Witter was utter crap, said that when he actually stepped up against DECENT world talent he'd lose, and surprise surprise, he lost to Bradley and now QUIT against Alexander, i don't think much of Hatton, and think that Hatton would have owned Witter at any point of their careers, if he didn't ko him, the pussy would have just flat out quit, he's utter garbage, perfect example of a dude with a big mouth and not enough skills, heart, or balls to back it up

You could say the same about Hatton as the only world talent he stepped up against was a past his prime Kostya Tszyu and lest we forget the two times he stepped up against a Decent world talent in their prime such as Mayweather or Pacquiao he was knocked out and even against Collazo was getting the heck beat out of him but got a close controversial decision. Comparing to Witter who lost a close decision to Bradley and then to Alexander who is an up and comer and quit because of an elbow injury sorry if I'm not a "warrior" but I'd rather pull out of a fight im obviously very behind in when my elbow was injured rather then continue on and risk ending my career. So to call Witter a quitter in that situation is ignorant, he made a smart decision to pull out of his elbow was a problem. Whereas Hatton was knocked out twice Witter lost a close decision and then pulled out of a fight due to injury and to me those two things are a lot better then getting sparked out twice when you finally got to the world stage and considering Witter didn't have a gigantic hype machine behind him trying to build that because he beat a blown up 135 pound Castillo and a 49 year old Vince Phillips was merit for him to beat Mayweather only to get KTFO. So I'd say Witter did very well for himself. And no matter what people say about Witter, know for a fact that Hatton would have never stepped up and fought Zab Judah on a weeks notice. Witter deserves a lot more respect then he's given whether you're a fan or not he was one of the top junior welters in the world ans yes Hatton DID duck him. So the fact all the Hatton fans want a diss him and say he sucked only makes it look worse for their man

[ElTerribleMorales]

People intend to not acknowledge people for their wins but when they lose use it as proof that they would lose to their favorite fighter. Never say a word when Witter was beating Corley and sparked out Vivian Harris, but now will scream to high heavens years later that he'd never beat Hatton because of how he looked against Bradley. Well given how Hatton looked against Mayweather and Pacquiao it could easily be said its just as plausible that Witter would have KO'd him. But those days are long gone but at one point Witter was one of the top light welters in the world and his recent losses won't change he was in that position once in his career regardless.

you mean the same Corley who had already lost to Judah, Mayweather, and Cotto, and would go on a 5 fight losing streak after the Witter fight? and the same Vivian Harris who had lost to the oh so talented Carlos Maussa by brutal KO , and barely won in a lackluster fight against Lazcano just prior to the Witter loss? please i've always said that Witter was utter crap, said that when he actually stepped up against DECENT world talent he'd lose, and surprise surprise, he lost to Bradley and now QUIT against Alexander, i don't think much of Hatton, and think that Hatton would have owned Witter at any point of their careers, if he didn't ko him, the pussy would have just flat out quit, he's utter garbage, perfect example of a dude with a big mouth and not enough skills, heart, or balls to back it up

You could say the same about Hatton as the only world talent he stepped up against was a past his prime Kostya Tszyu and lest we forget the two times he stepped up against a Decent world talent in their prime such as Mayweather or Pacquiao he was knocked out and even against Collazo was getting the heck beat out of him but got a close controversial decision. Comparing to Witter who lost a close decision to Bradley and then to Alexander who is an up and comer and quit because of an elbow injury sorry if I'm not a "warrior" but I'd rather pull out of a fight im obviously very behind in when my elbow was injured rather then continue on and risk ending my career. So to call Witter a quitter in that situation is ignorant, he made a smart decision to pull out of his elbow was a problem. Whereas Hatton was knocked out twice Witter lost a close decision and then pulled out of a fight due to injury and to me those two things are a lot better then getting sparked out twice when you finally got to the world stage and considering Witter didn't have a gigantic hype machine behind him trying to build that because he beat a blown up 135 pound Castillo and a 49 year old Vince Phillips was merit for him to beat Mayweather only to get KTFO. So I'd say Witter did very well for himself. And no matter what people say about Witter, know for a fact that Hatton would have never stepped up and fought Zab Judah on a weeks notice. Witter deserves a lot more respect then he's given whether you're a fan or not he was one of the top junior welters in the world ans yes Hatton DID duck him. So the fact all the Hatton fans want a diss him and say he sucked only makes it look worse for their man

Hatton was stopped twice, but both times it was against the man who was considered p4p #1 at the time, not against fighters who basically made their coming out party on his ass, and up to now there is no proof of any elbow injury, Witter was getting his ass handed to him from beginning to end, was rocked several times, and i only had him winning one round, he knew he wasn't going anywhere and quit, IMO the way he quit was worse than the way Ortiz quit and yet got bashed for without remorse, Collazo should have gotten the W, but in the Berto fight Collazo proved what pretty much every real boxing fan knew, that he was no push over, Witter is a flat out punk, and IMO should have never been ranked above the 10 spot

[Majesty]

you mean the same Corley who had already lost to Judah, Mayweather, and Cotto, and would go on a 5 fight losing streak after the Witter fight? and the same Vivian Harris who had lost to the oh so talented Carlos Maussa by brutal KO , and barely won in a lackluster fight against Lazcano just prior to the Witter loss? please i've always said that Witter was utter crap, said that when he actually stepped up against DECENT world talent he'd lose, and surprise surprise, he lost to Bradley and now QUIT against Alexander, i don't think much of Hatton, and think that Hatton would have owned Witter at any point of their careers, if he didn't ko him, the pussy would have just flat out quit, he's utter garbage, perfect example of a dude with a big mouth and not enough skills, heart, or balls to back it up

You could say the same about Hatton as the only world talent he stepped up against was a past his prime Kostya Tszyu and lest we forget the two times he stepped up against a Decent world talent in their prime such as Mayweather or Pacquiao he was knocked out and even against Collazo was getting the heck beat out of him but got a close controversial decision. Comparing to Witter who lost a close decision to Bradley and then to Alexander who is an up and comer and quit because of an elbow injury sorry if I'm not a "warrior" but I'd rather pull out of a fight im obviously very behind in when my elbow was injured rather then continue on and risk ending my career. So to call Witter a quitter in that situation is ignorant, he made a smart decision to pull out of his elbow was a problem. Whereas Hatton was knocked out twice Witter lost a close decision and then pulled out of a fight due to injury and to me those two things are a lot better then getting sparked out twice when you finally got to the world stage and considering Witter didn't have a gigantic hype machine behind him trying to build that because he beat a blown up 135 pound Castillo and a 49 year old Vince Phillips was merit for him to beat Mayweather only to get KTFO. So I'd say Witter did very well for himself. And no matter what people say about Witter, know for a fact that Hatton would have never stepped up and fought Zab Judah on a weeks notice. Witter deserves a lot more respect then he's given whether you're a fan or not he was one of the top junior welters in the world ans yes Hatton DID duck him. So the fact all the Hatton fans want a diss him and say he sucked only makes it look worse for their man

Hatton was stopped twice, but both times it was against the man who was considered p4p #1 at the time, not against fighters who basically made their coming out party on his ass, and up to now there is no proof of any elbow injury, Witter was getting his ass handed to him from beginning to end, was rocked several times, and i only had him winning one round, he knew he wasn't going anywhere and quit, IMO the way he quit was worse than the way Ortiz quit and yet got bashed for without remorse, Collazo should have gotten the W, but in the Berto fight Collazo proved what pretty much every real boxing fan knew, that he was no push over, Witter is a flat out punk, and IMO should have never been ranked above the 10 spot

At least Witter fought that kind of opposition. Let's not forget Collazo made his coming out party on Hatton and had he gotten that decision then he would have been in the position Bradley is in now and Hatton wouldn't have gotten those mega fights he did. And I never bashed Ortiz for quitting and I don't really listen to people who do that aren't in there taking punches. It's all fun and games till someone gets killed and like I said I'd rather leave a fight im obviously losing when I know im not going to win rather then take punishment for more rounds for what? for pride? I saw Assault in the Ring last night and Billy Collins had pride, but he didn't know when to quit and that made him a warrior but also effectively ended his career. Something inside of me says if he'd have pulled out of that fight at about the 5th round Resto would have still been caught and the decision reversed and Billy wouldn't be dead now. Same goes for the Mancini vs Kim fight. We are all sympathetic to fighters that die in the ring yet when people pull out of a fight when taking a beating we call them "pussies". do we WANT another death? Its for those reasons I don't bash a guy like Ortiz for stopping. Better that then the worst alternative imo

[Fenster]

Witter should have never been ranked higher than 10th at lightwelter?

You can't throw out a statement like that without justifying it.

Name the nine in front?

[ElTerribleMorales]

Witter should have never been ranked higher than 10th at lightwelter?

You can't throw out a statement like that without justifying it.

Name the nine in front?

maybe not so much top 10 but honestly don't see how anyone could have ever had him in top 5, all the following should have always been ranked above the quitter

in no specific order
Hatton
Torres
Holt
Bailey
Malignaggi
Urango

[Majesty]

Witter should have never been ranked higher than 10th at lightwelter?

You can't throw out a statement like that without justifying it.

Name the nine in front?

maybe not so much top 10 but honestly don't see how anyone could have ever had him in top 5, all the following should have always been ranked above the quitter

in no specific order
Hatton
Torres
Holt
Bailey
Malignaggi
Urango

So you'd rank Randall Bailey, Juan Urango and Ricardo Torres over Witter