Statement from Nate Campbell

[blegit]

People need to quit the song of "fighters should fight through every damn thing." Fans have to take their emotions out of their decision making. They're fighters but they still have families to go back to after the fight. The doctor himself said there was blood behind his eye! If that is not grounds for stopping a fight then what the hell is Even if he was down 10 rounds no corner or doctor should've let him continue. When does a fight merit stoppage after a butt? He was bleeding behind the eye and if he would've taken further damage he would have been risking permanent blindness. Besides the fact that they were nearly butting all fight every replay on every camera angle showed the butt caused the cut and since it was before the fifth round started then the fight is ruled a no contest. The rules are clear and the so was the tape. No matter what you want it to be the tape shows it clearly that the ref blew it. This is actually a poster boy for stopping a fight due to accidental butt. You can call Nate heartless or whatever but that doesn't take away from the facts that are the butt caused the cut, he had blood behind his eye, he couldn't see, and the fight only went 3 rounds. No contest.

[blegit]

I'm no Nate Campbell fan and I think he'll get beat by Bradley or Judah but the rules are the rules. If Pac can fight for a welterweight title at 145 then why can't Campbell get a no contest. Okay, I know I just started a Pac thread and I am now at risk of hate mail.

[Majesty]

People need to quit the song of "fighters should fight through every damn thing." Fans have to take their emotions out of their decision making. They're fighters but they still have families to go back to after the fight. The doctor himself said there was blood behind his eye! If that is not grounds for stopping a fight then what the hell is Even if he was down 10 rounds no corner or doctor should've let him continue. When does a fight merit stoppage after a butt? He was bleeding behind the eye and if he would've taken further damage he would have been risking permanent blindness. Besides the fact that they were nearly butting all fight every replay on every camera angle showed the butt caused the cut and since it was before the fifth round started then the fight is ruled a no contest. The rules are clear and the so was the tape. No matter what you want it to be the tape shows it clearly that the ref blew it. This is actually a poster boy for stopping a fight due to accidental butt. You can call Nate heartless or whatever but that doesn't take away from the facts that are the butt caused the cut, he had blood behind his eye, he couldn't see, and the fight only went 3 rounds. No contest.

Boxings fans have a mentality like that though. But its easy to call someone a scared when you aren't and never have been in their position. If you had a choice of risking permenant blindness or stopping and getting treated you'd choose getting treated to. Fighting on doesn't make you a "warrior" it makes you stupid. Being a warrior isnt what boxing is all about. It's about hitting and not get hit being a warrior is just a title boxing fans put on people that fight through adversity. But there's adversity and there's stupidity. If Campbell had fought on you may call him a "warrior" but when he's permenantly blinded you'd call him stupid. Your peers don't mean anything when it comes to your own health especially if they are so easily swayed by you getting out of the ring for your own good. If thats all it takes for fans to turn on you then I wouldn't want them.

[Spicoli]

Rodriguez-Collins: Another argument for instant replay

On August 27, 2007 on ESPN, all action fighter Delvin Rodriguez, a native of the Dominican Repu , met talented Keenan Collins (12-2-1 with 8 Kos) of Reading, Pa., who was coming off a split decision loss. D-Rod entered the bout with a 20-2-1 record with 12 knockouts, and was coming off a KO loss to Jesse Feliciano for the USBA welterweight title. In that televised thriller, Rodriguez, dominated the early rounds, but was eventually worn down and savagely taken out by the non-stop pressure of Feliciano.

Both fighters were looking for redemption, but unfortunately both came away empty as an “accidental head-butt“ by Rodriguez opened a deep cut on the forehead of Collins in the second round and led to their scheduled 10-round welterweight bout Friday night being called a no-contest.

After a slow start, D-Rod caught fire in the second stanza, asserted himself, and made it pretty clear how this fight would end. The Collins corner, quickly seeming to recognize their fighter was in a place that was only going to get worse, contended the cut was too deep for him to continue. The fight was then halted by the doctor. Perhaps a slick move on the part of Collins’s corner, but jus another questionable one for boxing. It brought back less-than-pleasant memories of Camacho Jr vs. Jesse James Leija.

As the replay clearly showed, there was no butt, or at least none that was caught on the tapes. There was, however, a strong slashing right (the kind that cuts) that hit Collins exactly on the spot where the cut occurred. Still, Referee Eddie Claudio maintained the cut was the result of an accidental head butt.

Well, it was either one or the other, but based on what I saw (or didn’t see), I say the former. Indeed, most corners will not argue for the fight to be stopped under such conditions, that is, unless the corner belongs to a Camacho Jr against Leija. But there is one way to find out and hopefully the New York State boxing commission will use it by reviewing the tapes.

Manifestly, a boxing match should never be stopped while some judge watches a 3-minute replay of a round, but if the 60 seconds between rounds is enough time for the TV editors to give us replays of the hardest punches, ones that might have caused cuts, there is more than enough time for judges to watch those same replays? If Teddy Atlas or Joe Tessitore can do it in 30 seconds, surely a referee can as well.

It’s time for state commissions to get smart and start taking advantage of technology, albeit carefully, to help the referees and other officials make the right calls.

It was my time to shine and they ripped me off. Lennox Lewis on his draw with Evander Holyfield.

Postscript: The tapes were reviewed and D-Rod got the win.

Remember that.Lets face it,these scenarios happen almost every weekend with varing levels of exposure depending on the fighter.But ultimately the result is the same,A fighter has no say.Well,at least does not have hindsight of particular actions at that time.Instant replay is waaaaaaaaay over due and will benefit all.Think a big part is the commissions and promoters being hesitant to undercut or second guess their appointed officials,as that would call for them to ensure accountability.Stop and think of the amount of reversals,disputed verdicts we would be seeing.Last thing the officials want is a spotlight on them.

speaking of shite calls,have you seen the Anthony Thompson & Ishmail Arvin fight last year (?).Exact same thing happened as last weekend,3rd round clear head clash and bad cut on Thompson but he continued on until he was ruled Tko loser in 6th Thompson was clearly winning the fight,dropped Arvin twice in the same round in that case.Now thats a shit call!!If anyone finds video of the chaos and dispute in the ring,Its very revealing and MUST see,around here in a FnF ESPN thread somewhere.

[Majesty]

Rodriguez-Collins: Another argument for instant replay

On August 27, 2007 on ESPN, all action fighter Delvin Rodriguez, a native of the Dominican Repu , met talented Keenan Collins (12-2-1 with 8 Kos) of Reading, Pa., who was coming off a split decision loss. D-Rod entered the bout with a 20-2-1 record with 12 knockouts, and was coming off a KO loss to Jesse Feliciano for the USBA welterweight title. In that televised thriller, Rodriguez, dominated the early rounds, but was eventually worn down and savagely taken out by the non-stop pressure of Feliciano.

Both fighters were looking for redemption, but unfortunately both came away empty as an “accidental head-butt“ by Rodriguez opened a deep cut on the forehead of Collins in the second round and led to their scheduled 10-round welterweight bout Friday night being called a no-contest.

After a slow start, D-Rod caught fire in the second stanza, asserted himself, and made it pretty clear how this fight would end. The Collins corner, quickly seeming to recognize their fighter was in a place that was only going to get worse, contended the cut was too deep for him to continue. The fight was then halted by the doctor. Perhaps a slick move on the part of Collins’s corner, but jus another questionable one for boxing. It brought back less-than-pleasant memories of Camacho Jr vs. Jesse James Leija.

As the replay clearly showed, there was no butt, or at least none that was caught on the tapes. There was, however, a strong slashing right (the kind that cuts) that hit Collins exactly on the spot where the cut occurred. Still, Referee Eddie Claudio maintained the cut was the result of an accidental head butt.

Well, it was either one or the other, but based on what I saw (or didn’t see), I say the former. Indeed, most corners will not argue for the fight to be stopped under such conditions, that is, unless the corner belongs to a Camacho Jr against Leija. But there is one way to find out and hopefully the New York State boxing commission will use it by reviewing the tapes.

Manifestly, a boxing match should never be stopped while some judge watches a 3-minute replay of a round, but if the 60 seconds between rounds is enough time for the TV editors to give us replays of the hardest punches, ones that might have caused cuts, there is more than enough time for judges to watch those same replays? If Teddy Atlas or Joe Tessitore can do it in 30 seconds, surely a referee can as well.

It’s time for state commissions to get smart and start taking advantage of technology, albeit carefully, to help the referees and other officials make the right calls.

It was my time to shine and they ripped me off. Lennox Lewis on his draw with Evander Holyfield.

Postscript: The tapes were reviewed and D-Rod got the win.

Remember that.Lets face it,these scenarios happen almost every weekend with varing levels of exposure depending on the fighter.But ultimately the result is the same,A fighter has no say.Well,at least does not have hindsight of particular actions at that time.Instant replay is waaaaaaaaay over due and will benefit all.Think a big part is the commissions and promoters being hesitant to undercut or second guess their appointed officials,as that would call for them to ensure accountability.Stop and think of the amount of reversals,disputed verdicts we would be seeing.Last thing the officials want is a spotlight on them.

speaking of shite calls,have you seen the Anthony Thompson & Ishmail Arvin fight last year (?).Exact same thing happened as last weekend,3rd round clear head clash and bad cut on Thompson but he continued on until he was ruled Tko loser in 6th Thompson was clearly winning the fight,dropped Arvin twice in the same round in that case.Now thats a shit call!!If anyone finds video of the chaos and dispute in the ring,Its very revealing and MUST see,around here in a FnF ESPN thread somewhere.

Yeah that was a crap decision!!!

Thompson is apparently gonna fight Grady brewer again the same guy that is the first and only guy to knock him out

[generalbulldog]

People need to quit the song of "fighters should fight through every damn thing." Fans have to take their emotions out of their decision making. They're fighters but they still have families to go back to after the fight. The doctor himself said there was blood behind his eye! If that is not grounds for stopping a fight then what the hell is Even if he was down 10 rounds no corner or doctor should've let him continue. When does a fight merit stoppage after a butt? He was bleeding behind the eye and if he would've taken further damage he would have been risking permanent blindness. Besides the fact that they were nearly butting all fight every replay on every camera angle showed the butt caused the cut and since it was before the fifth round started then the fight is ruled a no contest. The rules are clear and the so was the tape. No matter what you want it to be the tape shows it clearly that the ref blew it. This is actually a poster boy for stopping a fight due to accidental butt. You can call Nate heartless or whatever but that doesn't take away from the facts that are the butt caused the cut, he had blood behind his eye, he couldn't see, and the fight only went 3 rounds. No contest.

Boxings fans have a mentality like that though. But its easy to call someone a scared when you aren't and never have been in their position. If you had a choice of risking permenant blindness or stopping and getting treated you'd choose getting treated to. Fighting on doesn't make you a "warrior" it makes you stupid. Being a warrior isnt what boxing is all about. It's about hitting and not get hit being a warrior is just a title boxing fans put on people that fight through adversity. But there's adversity and there's stupidity. If Campbell had fought on you may call him a "warrior" but when he's permenantly blinded you'd call him stupid. Your peers don't mean anything when it comes to your own health especially if they are so easily swayed by you getting out of the ring for your own good. If thats all it takes for fans to turn on you then I wouldn't want them.

Exactly. Another type of quit is an Ortiz-Maidana that is justifiable because the guy was seriously getting hammered but yet there was a thread here months ago where everyone called him a pussy and coward and he should have went out on his shield or whatever the fukk it meant. These guys have their family and themselves to look after first, not the fans lust to see a guy get permanently fukked up in the ring.

Hell at other boxing forums I remember posters saying Gerald McClellan was a dumbass for trying to be a warrior against Nigel Benn because of what happened after that fight, but I bet you if McClellan quit before the fatal round everyone would change their tune and call him a pussy.

[Majesty]

People need to quit the song of "fighters should fight through every damn thing." Fans have to take their emotions out of their decision making. They're fighters but they still have families to go back to after the fight. The doctor himself said there was blood behind his eye! If that is not grounds for stopping a fight then what the hell is Even if he was down 10 rounds no corner or doctor should've let him continue. When does a fight merit stoppage after a butt? He was bleeding behind the eye and if he would've taken further damage he would have been risking permanent blindness. Besides the fact that they were nearly butting all fight every replay on every camera angle showed the butt caused the cut and since it was before the fifth round started then the fight is ruled a no contest. The rules are clear and the so was the tape. No matter what you want it to be the tape shows it clearly that the ref blew it. This is actually a poster boy for stopping a fight due to accidental butt. You can call Nate heartless or whatever but that doesn't take away from the facts that are the butt caused the cut, he had blood behind his eye, he couldn't see, and the fight only went 3 rounds. No contest.

Boxings fans have a mentality like that though. But its easy to call someone a scared when you aren't and never have been in their position. If you had a choice of risking permenant blindness or stopping and getting treated you'd choose getting treated to. Fighting on doesn't make you a "warrior" it makes you stupid. Being a warrior isnt what boxing is all about. It's about hitting and not get hit being a warrior is just a title boxing fans put on people that fight through adversity. But there's adversity and there's stupidity. If Campbell had fought on you may call him a "warrior" but when he's permenantly blinded you'd call him stupid. Your peers don't mean anything when it comes to your own health especially if they are so easily swayed by you getting out of the ring for your own good. If thats all it takes for fans to turn on you then I wouldn't want them.

Exactly. Another type of quit is an Ortiz-Maidana that is justifiable because the guy was seriously getting hammered but yet there was a thread here months ago where everyone called him a pussy and coward and he should have went out on his shield or whatever the fukk it meant. These guys have their family and themselves to look after first, not the fans lust to see a guy get permanently fukked up in the ring.

Hell at other boxing forums I remember posters saying Gerald McClellan was a dumbass for trying to be a warrior against Nigel Benn because of what happened after that fight, but I bet you if McClellan quit before the fatal round everyone would change their tune and call him a pussy.

Because at the end of the day fans don't care about the fighters as people(yet thats the first thing they want to judge them on) all they are to them is a fighter in the ring and if they quit they are a puss. Like I said they don't even care about a boxer as a person in those situations they only care about them as a boxer and that they get entertained and if they feel shortchanged they will take it all out on the fighter. Funny how you don't even see them as a person yet thats the first thing you judge them on. "Oh he quit cause he was blind in one eye. He was just looking for an excuse! He is a loser!" Its stupid. This whole "he HAS to be a warrior" mentality is whats killing boxing right now in terms of their fanbase. They just want to see bloody wars and they don't care who gets hurt because they arent in the ring. If Nate Campbell had fought on and gone on to be blind the rest of his life in that eye it's not worth the "respect" of your boxing fans if they so quickly turn on you in an instant. Screw those fans. Now maybe people will get why Bernard Hopkins didn't care about them. Because caring about the fans gets you beat.

[holmcall]

Rodriguez-Collins: Another argument for instant replay

On August 27, 2007 on ESPN, all action fighter Delvin Rodriguez, a native of the Dominican Repu , met talented Keenan Collins (12-2-1 with 8 Kos) of Reading, Pa., who was coming off a split decision loss. D-Rod entered the bout with a 20-2-1 record with 12 knockouts, and was coming off a KO loss to Jesse Feliciano for the USBA welterweight title. In that televised thriller, Rodriguez, dominated the early rounds, but was eventually worn down and savagely taken out by the non-stop pressure of Feliciano.

Both fighters were looking for redemption, but unfortunately both came away empty as an “accidental head-butt“ by Rodriguez opened a deep cut on the forehead of Collins in the second round and led to their scheduled 10-round welterweight bout Friday night being called a no-contest.

After a slow start, D-Rod caught fire in the second stanza, asserted himself, and made it pretty clear how this fight would end. The Collins corner, quickly seeming to recognize their fighter was in a place that was only going to get worse, contended the cut was too deep for him to continue. The fight was then halted by the doctor. Perhaps a slick move on the part of Collins’s corner, but jus another questionable one for boxing. It brought back less-than-pleasant memories of Camacho Jr vs. Jesse James Leija.

As the replay clearly showed, there was no butt, or at least none that was caught on the tapes. There was, however, a strong slashing right (the kind that cuts) that hit Collins exactly on the spot where the cut occurred. Still, Referee Eddie Claudio maintained the cut was the result of an accidental head butt.

Well, it was either one or the other, but based on what I saw (or didn’t see), I say the former. Indeed, most corners will not argue for the fight to be stopped under such conditions, that is, unless the corner belongs to a Camacho Jr against Leija. But there is one way to find out and hopefully the New York State boxing commission will use it by reviewing the tapes.

Manifestly, a boxing match should never be stopped while some judge watches a 3-minute replay of a round, but if the 60 seconds between rounds is enough time for the TV editors to give us replays of the hardest punches, ones that might have caused cuts, there is more than enough time for judges to watch those same replays? If Teddy Atlas or Joe Tessitore can do it in 30 seconds, surely a referee can as well.

It’s time for state commissions to get smart and start taking advantage of technology, albeit carefully, to help the referees and other officials make the right calls.

It was my time to shine and they ripped me off. Lennox Lewis on his draw with Evander Holyfield.

Postscript: The tapes were reviewed and D-Rod got the win.

Remember that.Lets face it,these scenarios happen almost every weekend with varing levels of exposure depending on the fighter.But ultimately the result is the same,A fighter has no say.Well,at least does not have hindsight of particular actions at that time.Instant replay is waaaaaaaaay over due and will benefit all.Think a big part is the commissions and promoters being hesitant to undercut or second guess their appointed officials,as that would call for them to ensure accountability.Stop and think of the amount of reversals,disputed verdicts we would be seeing.Last thing the officials want is a spotlight on them.

speaking of shite calls,have you seen the Anthony Thompson & Ishmail Arvin fight last year (?).Exact same thing happened as last weekend,3rd round clear head clash and bad cut on Thompson but he continued on until he was ruled Tko loser in 6th Thompson was clearly winning the fight,dropped Arvin twice in the same round in that case.Now thats a shit call!!If anyone finds video of the chaos and dispute in the ring,Its very revealing and MUST see,around here in a FnF ESPN thread somewhere.

Yeah that was a crap decision!!!

Thompson is apparently gonna fight Grady brewer again the same guy that is the first and only guy to knock him out

Anthony Thompson & Ishmail Arvin was plain horrible. The ref actually saw the replay after the fight and still stood his ground. Then, the commission (one of the very worse in the counrty) backed him. Mondo Bizzro.