Who's higher P4P of all time

[JazMerkin]

I see it Hopkins just ahead of Jones, & then a larger gap to Calzaghe. All are Top 75 ATGs for me though

[DaxxKahn]

I go with

Hopkins- he has had such longevity..he made himself a legend with almost no amateur experience...at 45 he is still going strong....he has really only been soundly defeated once and thawas a pretty raw Hopkins versus a prime Jones who had tons of amateur experience

Jones- lived up to his amateur expectences...Was a phenom at smw...went from MW to HW winning championships.....What detrtacts is Jones spent a lot of time fighting second tier challengers and turned down his toughest challenges during his prime years

Calzaghe- Joe has all the goods for sure and in the last years of his career he turned me into a big fan but he allowed Warren to manage him too long and linger with second tier opp....

Though there is no question on the place all 3 belong....3 of the top P4P of all time

[Fenster]

I go with

Hopkins- he has had such longevity..he made himself a legend with almost no amateur experience...at 45 he is still going strong....he has really only been soundly defeated once and thawas a pretty raw Hopkins versus a prime Jones who had tons of amateur experience

Jones- lived up to his amateur expectences...Was a phenom at smw...went from MW to HW winning championships.....What detrtacts is Jones spent a lot of time fighting second tier challengers and turned down his toughest challenges during his prime years

Calzaghe- Joe has all the goods for sure and in the last years of his career he turned me into a big fan but he allowed Warren to manage him too long and linger with second tier opp....

Though there is no question on the place all 3 belong....3 of the top P4P of all time

Hopkins claims to have won junior titles from the age of nine and had around 100 amateur fights before going into prison.

[DaxxKahn]

I go with

Hopkins- he has had such longevity..he made himself a legend with almost no amateur experience...at 45 he is still going strong....he has really only been soundly defeated once and thawas a pretty raw Hopkins versus a prime Jones who had tons of amateur experience

Jones- lived up to his amateur expectences...Was a phenom at smw...went from MW to HW winning championships.....What detrtacts is Jones spent a lot of time fighting second tier challengers and turned down his toughest challenges during his prime years

Calzaghe- Joe has all the goods for sure and in the last years of his career he turned me into a big fan but he allowed Warren to manage him too long and linger with second tier opp....

Though there is no question on the place all 3 belong....3 of the top P4P of all time

Hopkins claims to have won junior titles from the age of nine and had around 100 amateur fights before going into prison.

Hate to cause static mate but I would need to see where that happened because that is the first I ever heard of that

[Kev]

I go with

Hopkins- he has had such longevity..he made himself a legend with almost no amateur experience...at 45 he is still going strong....he has really only been soundly defeated once and thawas a pretty raw Hopkins versus a prime Jones who had tons of amateur experience

Jones- lived up to his amateur expectences...Was a phenom at smw...went from MW to HW winning championships.....What detrtacts is Jones spent a lot of time fighting second tier challengers and turned down his toughest challenges during his prime years

Calzaghe- Joe has all the goods for sure and in the last years of his career he turned me into a big fan but he allowed Warren to manage him too long and linger with second tier opp....

Though there is no question on the place all 3 belong....3 of the top P4P of all time

Hopkins claims to have won junior titles from the age of nine and had around 100 amateur fights before going into prison.

Hate to cause static mate but I would need to see where that happened because that is the first I ever heard of that

I thought it was common knowledge that Hopkins claimed a 95-4 amatuer record?

[BillyPilgrim]

Wasn't it reported that Jones failed drugs tests a few years back but it was kind of brushed under the carpet a bit.

I dunno if it was true, but if so, it tarnishes his achievements a bit for me.

[Rocky Balboa]

I agree with the OP except RJJ didn't beat prime B-hop. I believe he still would have though not as easily.

[DaxxKahn]

Hopkins claims to have won junior titles from the age of nine and had around 100 amateur fights before going into prison.

Hate to cause static mate but I would need to see where that happened because that is the first I ever heard of that

I thought it was common knowledge that Hopkins claimed a 95-4 amatuer record?

If he did it was news to me because I see zero proof of him ever having an amateur record...or at least one to brag about like that one...

Unless it nis fact I pay little attention to things like amateur claims....Unless a fighter goes national champ or in Olympics it is hard to know what they actually did or did not achieve

[Spicoli]

Hate to cause static mate but I would need to see where that happened because that is the first I ever heard of that

I thought it was common knowledge that Hopkins claimed a 95-4 amatuer record?

If he did it was news to me because I see zero proof of him ever having an amateur record...or at least one to brag about like that one...

Unless it nis fact I pay little attention to things like amateur claims....Unless a fighter goes national champ or in Olympics it is hard to know what they actually did or did not achieve

Ditto.Must have missed that.I dont recall it,dont strike me as the sort to harking back to his Ama days in the ring Running through early interviews and have zilch

Jeezuss,You want pause?Compare two pics of early Hopkins and todays and that grill of his.WooooowMade some dentist very wealthy.

[Fenster]

Hate to cause static mate but I would need to see where that happened because that is the first I ever heard of that

I thought it was common knowledge that Hopkins claimed a 95-4 amatuer record?

If he did it was news to me because I see zero proof of him ever having an amateur record...or at least one to brag about like that one...

Unless it nis fact I pay little attention to things like amateur claims....Unless a fighter goes national champ or in Olympics it is hard to know what they actually did or did not achieve

In this interview he says he started boxing at seven and won his first title at nine.

Age started boxing: I started at seven as a youth. Then I went to Graterford (prison) for five years and I picked it back up in there. But (I started) as a pro in ‘88. So I started at seven.

Early Boxing Memory: Winning Pennsylvania Junior Olympics when I was nine. Won a trophy which had to be two-feet tall! When I won that I was the baby in the gym. We had guys like Robert Hines. I got my butt kicked 95% of the time in the gym by guys who were bigger and older than me. But I was too advanced for my level. I beat a guy named ‘Bunchie’ Williams, a good, good amateur who went 12-1 as a pro but then I think drugs got him.
Bernard Hopkins | BoxingInsider.com

In prison he won the national penitentiary middleweight championship three times.

I'm not sure about his exact amateur record. Ive seen it reported at 95-4 too, but whatever it was Hopkins was clearly well versed in boxing before turning pro.

[Jody Lane]

I go with

Hopkins- he has had such longevity..he made himself a legend with almost no amateur experience...at 45 he is still going strong....he has really only been soundly defeated once and thawas a pretty raw Hopkins versus a prime Jones who had tons of amateur experience

Jones- lived up to his amateur expectences...Was a phenom at smw...went from MW to HW winning championships.....What detrtacts is Jones spent a lot of time fighting second tier challengers and turned down his toughest challenges during his prime years

Calzaghe- Joe has all the goods for sure and in the last years of his career he turned me into a big fan but he allowed Warren to manage him too long and linger with second tier opp....

Though there is no question on the place all 3 belong....3 of the top P4P of all time

I agree with you Daxx on all your points.

[Truth]

I dont hate Roy in fact I was a fan before he tested positive but the fact that you fail to realize is Roy cheated and I will call him out on it everytime. I like how you're acting as if I'm jealous of him I've never tried or wanted tto become a world classs boxer, making a bit of money for food n shelter suits me just fine

[JonesJrMayweather]

I dont hate Roy in fact I was a fan before he tested positive but the fact that you fail to realize is Roy cheated and I will call him out on it everytime. I like how you're acting as if I'm jealous of him I've never tried or wanted tto become a world classs boxer, making a bit of money for food n shelter suits me just fine

You can call him out anytime you'd like...but if he tested positive why wasn't the fight stripped..Like toney's against ruiz, like margarito being suspended, like panama being banned?

[Truth]

Shy Does Mosley still have his win over De La Hoya when he tested positive?
Politics Politics Politics, I love how you're trying to show boxing is fair and that justice would've been srved and all that garbage even though boxing is probably the most corrupt sport in the world

[JonesJrMayweather]

Shy Does Mosley still have his win over De La Hoya when he tested positive?
Politics Politics Politics, I love how you're trying to show boxing is fair and that justice would've been srved and all that garbage even though boxing is probably the most corrupt sport in the world

Shane mosley has his win over oscar because the victim says he believed shane to be innocent of knowingly cheating...so if the victim is cool with it why can't you be?