Froch is the favourite for Super Six Tournament

[Kev]

Maybe they have Froch as favourite becuase his meeting with Taylor is the only form guide we have, none of the others having met each other before.

KO'ing the former undisputed middleweight champion of the world, a fighter who has only ever been beaten by one other man (dodgy scorecards withstanding) is probably seen as great form going in to this.

Abraham at super middleweight is an unknown, also Miranda aside he's never fought an elite opponent.

Kessler lost to Calzaghe and has been pretty inactive since. Maybe he should be favourite, but its clear only Froch has a win over a p4p guy at this point.

Both Andre's are largely unknown quantities, Ward less so following his dominant win over Miranda, more impressive than Abraham's outings imo, although he's yet to fight at world class so we can't really put him above Artur.

I think the bookies have a tough time with this. Obviously in Britain many will be backing Froch, and as the only fighter to already have a win in this class, and by KO, it's understandable they have made him favourite.

Kessler is probably the most sensible choice if I had to pick, he is a proven performer at this level.

I guess Abraham would be at 3, but he's still yet to fight in this class, and has not yet fought at 168.

Taylor has the skills to beat them all, but in fading to Pavlik and now Froch, and barely hanging on against Winky Wright there are justifiably many doubts about his ability to last into the championship rounds so a risky choice to put money on.

The Andre's could both certainly do well, but we have no form guide to go on with them, especially Dirrell so they deserve to be the betting outsiders at this point.

[CFH]

Maybe they have Froch as favourite becuase his meeting with Taylor is the only form guide we have, none of the others having met each other before.

KO'ing the former undisputed middleweight champion of the world, a fighter who has only ever been beaten by one other man (dodgy scorecards withstanding) is probably seen as great form going in to this.

Abraham at super middleweight is an unknown, also Miranda aside he's never fought an elite opponent.

Kessler lost to Calzaghe and has been pretty inactive since. Maybe he should be favourite, but its clear only Froch has a win over a p4p guy at this point.

Both Andre's are largely unknown quantities, Ward less so following his dominant win over Miranda, more impressive than Abraham's outings imo, although he's yet to fight at world class so we can't really put him above Artur.

I think the bookies have a tough time with this. Obviously in Britain many will be backing Froch, and as the only fighter to already have a win in this class, and by KO, it's understandable they have made him favourite.

Kessler is probably the most sensible choice if I had to pick, he is a proven performer at this level.

I guess Abraham would be at 3, but he's still yet to fight in this class, and has not yet fought at 168.

Taylor has the skills to beat them all, but in fading to Pavlik and now Froch, and barely hanging on against Winky Wright there are justifiably many doubts about his ability to last into the championship rounds so a risky choice to put money on.

The Andre's could both certainly do well, but we have no form guide to go on with them, especially Dirrell so they deserve to be the betting outsiders at this point.

Who did Froch fight who was a P4P fighter? Taylor was far, far removed from that status and Pascal isn't even close.

Also, you found Ward's victory over Miranda better than Abraham's? I disagree there. The first Abraham - Miranda fight, while it could (and possibly should) have been a TKO, was an extremely impressive show of heart by Abraham and I think (ignore the TKO scenario) that even without the point deductions Abraham won. In the second fight, he absolutely schooled and then stopped Miranda. Ward's performance was good as well, but the version of Miranda he beat was a lot more known and exposed than the one Abraham defeated twice.

[Kev]

Maybe they have Froch as favourite becuase his meeting with Taylor is the only form guide we have, none of the others having met each other before.

KO'ing the former undisputed middleweight champion of the world, a fighter who has only ever been beaten by one other man (dodgy scorecards withstanding) is probably seen as great form going in to this.

Abraham at super middleweight is an unknown, also Miranda aside he's never fought an elite opponent.

Kessler lost to Calzaghe and has been pretty inactive since. Maybe he should be favourite, but its clear only Froch has a win over a p4p guy at this point.

Both Andre's are largely unknown quantities, Ward less so following his dominant win over Miranda, more impressive than Abraham's outings imo, although he's yet to fight at world class so we can't really put him above Artur.

I think the bookies have a tough time with this. Obviously in Britain many will be backing Froch, and as the only fighter to already have a win in this class, and by KO, it's understandable they have made him favourite.

Kessler is probably the most sensible choice if I had to pick, he is a proven performer at this level.

I guess Abraham would be at 3, but he's still yet to fight in this class, and has not yet fought at 168.

Taylor has the skills to beat them all, but in fading to Pavlik and now Froch, and barely hanging on against Winky Wright there are justifiably many doubts about his ability to last into the championship rounds so a risky choice to put money on.

The Andre's could both certainly do well, but we have no form guide to go on with them, especially Dirrell so they deserve to be the betting outsiders at this point.

Who did Froch fight who was a P4P fighter? Taylor was far, far removed from that status and Pascal isn't even close.

Also, you found Ward's victory over Miranda better than Abraham's? I disagree there. The first Abraham - Miranda fight, while it could (and possibly should) have been a TKO, was an extremely impressive show of heart by Abraham and I think (ignore the TKO scenario) that even without the point deductions Abraham won. In the second fight, he absolutely schooled and then stopped Miranda. Ward's performance was good as well, but the version of Miranda he beat was a lot more known and exposed than the one Abraham defeated twice.

Taylor was one fight removed p4p hardly far far removed. He's still a world class force and better than any other fighter that any of these guys have beat.

Who of the guys the others have beat would you rate above him?

Miranda?
Mundine?
Beyer?

The only other guy who has beaten fighters of real pedigree is Taylor, and Froch knocked him out.


As for Abraham schooling Miranda firstly I'm talking about both bouts. Ward handled him easily first time around, whereas Abraham went life and death in the first fight.

Secondly Abraham didn't school Miranda for the entirety of the second fight, you could make a case that Edison won all the first three rounds as Abraham started with his typically cagey slow opening style.

Once he had him hurt he took him apart for sure but he wasn't outboxing Miranda up to that point, far from it.

Ward is a better boxer than Abraham, but with considerably less power. When these two meet it will be exciting. If Ward can take Abraham's power he outworks him and wins a decision imo.

If not, then Abraham either finishes him or puts him in survival mode enough to win a UD.

[CFH]

Maybe they have Froch as favourite becuase his meeting with Taylor is the only form guide we have, none of the others having met each other before.

KO'ing the former undisputed middleweight champion of the world, a fighter who has only ever been beaten by one other man (dodgy scorecards withstanding) is probably seen as great form going in to this.

Abraham at super middleweight is an unknown, also Miranda aside he's never fought an elite opponent.

Kessler lost to Calzaghe and has been pretty inactive since. Maybe he should be favourite, but its clear only Froch has a win over a p4p guy at this point.

Both Andre's are largely unknown quantities, Ward less so following his dominant win over Miranda, more impressive than Abraham's outings imo, although he's yet to fight at world class so we can't really put him above Artur.

I think the bookies have a tough time with this. Obviously in Britain many will be backing Froch, and as the only fighter to already have a win in this class, and by KO, it's understandable they have made him favourite.

Kessler is probably the most sensible choice if I had to pick, he is a proven performer at this level.

I guess Abraham would be at 3, but he's still yet to fight in this class, and has not yet fought at 168.

Taylor has the skills to beat them all, but in fading to Pavlik and now Froch, and barely hanging on against Winky Wright there are justifiably many doubts about his ability to last into the championship rounds so a risky choice to put money on.

The Andre's could both certainly do well, but we have no form guide to go on with them, especially Dirrell so they deserve to be the betting outsiders at this point.

Who did Froch fight who was a P4P fighter? Taylor was far, far removed from that status and Pascal isn't even close.

Also, you found Ward's victory over Miranda better than Abraham's? I disagree there. The first Abraham - Miranda fight, while it could (and possibly should) have been a TKO, was an extremely impressive show of heart by Abraham and I think (ignore the TKO scenario) that even without the point deductions Abraham won. In the second fight, he absolutely schooled and then stopped Miranda. Ward's performance was good as well, but the version of Miranda he beat was a lot more known and exposed than the one Abraham defeated twice.

Taylor was one fight removed p4p hardly far far removed. He's still a world class force and better than any other fighter that any of these guys have beat.

Who of the guys the others have beat would you rate above him?

Miranda?
Mundine?
Beyer?

The only other guy who has beaten fighters of real pedigree is Taylor, and Froch knocked him out.


As for Abraham schooling Miranda firstly I'm talking about both bouts. Ward handled him easily first time around, whereas Abraham went life and death in the first fight.

Secondly Abraham didn't school Miranda for the entirety of the second fight, you could make a case that Edison won all the first three rounds as Abraham started with his typically cagey slow opening style.

Once he had him hurt he took him apart for sure but he wasn't outboxing Miranda up to that point, far from it.

Ward is a better boxer than Abraham, but with considerably less power. When these two meet it will be exciting. If Ward can take Abraham's power he outworks him and wins a decision imo.

If not, then Abraham either finishes him or puts him in survival mode enough to win a UD.

Taylor was more than once fight removed from P4P status. More than a few lists I saw dropped him from their top 10 after the Spinks fight. Regardless of when he was dropped, he hasn't been considered a top 10 P4P fighter since 2007.

Re: Miranda

The first fight between Abraham and Miranda was close (made much close because of the broken jaw IMO), but at that point Miranda was a completely unknown entity and a much better opponent as a result of that. Miranda made his name on that first fight. As soon as Pavlik, and later Abraham, beat him the mystique had been undone. Even following the Pavlik loss, many people (perhaps a majority) were picking him to beat Abraham in the rematch. Abraham travelled to his backyard, and yes took him to school. Abraham did little offensively for the first three rounds, but even with him in full on defensive mode Miranda didn't land a single clean punch the entire fight. As soon as he started opening up in round 4, Abraham countered him and knocked him out. He was comprehensively outboxed and outthought the entire fight. By the time Ward fought him, he was a badly exposed fighter who no longer was able to intimidate his opponents. Not to take anything away from Ward - it was a solid, well-fought victory, but in my mind it was far less impressive than the two Abraham victories.

[Kev]

Who did Froch fight who was a P4P fighter? Taylor was far, far removed from that status and Pascal isn't even close.

Also, you found Ward's victory over Miranda better than Abraham's? I disagree there. The first Abraham - Miranda fight, while it could (and possibly should) have been a TKO, was an extremely impressive show of heart by Abraham and I think (ignore the TKO scenario) that even without the point deductions Abraham won. In the second fight, he absolutely schooled and then stopped Miranda. Ward's performance was good as well, but the version of Miranda he beat was a lot more known and exposed than the one Abraham defeated twice.

Taylor was one fight removed p4p hardly far far removed. He's still a world class force and better than any other fighter that any of these guys have beat.

Who of the guys the others have beat would you rate above him?

Miranda?
Mundine?
Beyer?

The only other guy who has beaten fighters of real pedigree is Taylor, and Froch knocked him out.


As for Abraham schooling Miranda firstly I'm talking about both bouts. Ward handled him easily first time around, whereas Abraham went life and death in the first fight.

Secondly Abraham didn't school Miranda for the entirety of the second fight, you could make a case that Edison won all the first three rounds as Abraham started with his typically cagey slow opening style.

Once he had him hurt he took him apart for sure but he wasn't outboxing Miranda up to that point, far from it.

Ward is a better boxer than Abraham, but with considerably less power. When these two meet it will be exciting. If Ward can take Abraham's power he outworks him and wins a decision imo.

If not, then Abraham either finishes him or puts him in survival mode enough to win a UD.

Taylor was more than once fight removed from P4P status. More than a few lists I saw dropped him from their top 10 after the Spinks fight. Regardless of when he was dropped, he hasn't been considered a top 10 P4P fighter since 2007.

Re: Miranda

The first fight between Abraham and Miranda was close (made much close because of the broken jaw IMO), but at that point Miranda was a completely unknown entity and a much better opponent as a result of that. Miranda made his name on that first fight. As soon as Pavlik, and later Abraham, beat him the mystique had been undone. Even following the Pavlik loss, many people (perhaps a majority) were picking him to beat Abraham in the rematch. Abraham travelled to his backyard, and yes took him to school. Abraham did little offensively for the first three rounds, but even with him in full on defensive mode Miranda didn't land a single clean punch the entire fight. As soon as he started opening up in round 4, Abraham countered him and knocked him out. He was comprehensively outboxed and outthought the entire fight. By the time Ward fought him, he was a badly exposed fighter who no longer was able to intimidate his opponents. Not to take anything away from Ward - it was a solid, well-fought victory, but in my mind it was far less impressive than the two Abraham victories.

You neatly sidestepped my first question.

Who better than Taylor have ANY of the other guys beaten?

If you want to insist he hasn't been p4p for the last two years, name a single opponent any of the other guys has beat who has EVER been in the p4p?

None of the other guys Froch and Taylor withstanding, have beaten a p4p fighter, either p4p present or p4p at any time in their careers. My point still stands.

If you disagree then point out which opponents on the resume's of Ward, Dirrel, Abraham and Kessler is a better win then KO'ing Jermain Taylor?

[CFH]

Taylor was one fight removed p4p hardly far far removed. He's still a world class force and better than any other fighter that any of these guys have beat.

Who of the guys the others have beat would you rate above him?

Miranda?
Mundine?
Beyer?

The only other guy who has beaten fighters of real pedigree is Taylor, and Froch knocked him out.


As for Abraham schooling Miranda firstly I'm talking about both bouts. Ward handled him easily first time around, whereas Abraham went life and death in the first fight.

Secondly Abraham didn't school Miranda for the entirety of the second fight, you could make a case that Edison won all the first three rounds as Abraham started with his typically cagey slow opening style.

Once he had him hurt he took him apart for sure but he wasn't outboxing Miranda up to that point, far from it.

Ward is a better boxer than Abraham, but with considerably less power. When these two meet it will be exciting. If Ward can take Abraham's power he outworks him and wins a decision imo.

If not, then Abraham either finishes him or puts him in survival mode enough to win a UD.

Taylor was more than once fight removed from P4P status. More than a few lists I saw dropped him from their top 10 after the Spinks fight. Regardless of when he was dropped, he hasn't been considered a top 10 P4P fighter since 2007.

Re: Miranda

The first fight between Abraham and Miranda was close (made much close because of the broken jaw IMO), but at that point Miranda was a completely unknown entity and a much better opponent as a result of that. Miranda made his name on that first fight. As soon as Pavlik, and later Abraham, beat him the mystique had been undone. Even following the Pavlik loss, many people (perhaps a majority) were picking him to beat Abraham in the rematch. Abraham travelled to his backyard, and yes took him to school. Abraham did little offensively for the first three rounds, but even with him in full on defensive mode Miranda didn't land a single clean punch the entire fight. As soon as he started opening up in round 4, Abraham countered him and knocked him out. He was comprehensively outboxed and outthought the entire fight. By the time Ward fought him, he was a badly exposed fighter who no longer was able to intimidate his opponents. Not to take anything away from Ward - it was a solid, well-fought victory, but in my mind it was far less impressive than the two Abraham victories.

You neatly sidestepped my first question.

Who better than Taylor have ANY of the other guys beaten?

If you want to insist he hasn't been p4p for the last two years, name a single opponent any of the other guys has beat who has EVER been in the p4p?

None of the other guys Froch and Taylor withstanding, have beaten a p4p fighter, either p4p present or p4p at any time in their careers. My point still stands.

If you disagree then point out which opponents on the resume's of Ward, Dirrel, Abraham and Kessler is a better win then KO'ing Jermain Taylor?

I ignored it because it wasn't relevant to the discussion we were having. We were talking about Taylor's P4P status and Ward/Abraham's victories over Miranda.

No one in the tournament has beaten anyone better than Jermaine Taylor. However, that doesn't necessarily make Froch the best fight in the tournament.

[Kev]

Taylor was more than once fight removed from P4P status. More than a few lists I saw dropped him from their top 10 after the Spinks fight. Regardless of when he was dropped, he hasn't been considered a top 10 P4P fighter since 2007.

Re: Miranda

The first fight between Abraham and Miranda was close (made much close because of the broken jaw IMO), but at that point Miranda was a completely unknown entity and a much better opponent as a result of that. Miranda made his name on that first fight. As soon as Pavlik, and later Abraham, beat him the mystique had been undone. Even following the Pavlik loss, many people (perhaps a majority) were picking him to beat Abraham in the rematch. Abraham travelled to his backyard, and yes took him to school. Abraham did little offensively for the first three rounds, but even with him in full on defensive mode Miranda didn't land a single clean punch the entire fight. As soon as he started opening up in round 4, Abraham countered him and knocked him out. He was comprehensively outboxed and outthought the entire fight. By the time Ward fought him, he was a badly exposed fighter who no longer was able to intimidate his opponents. Not to take anything away from Ward - it was a solid, well-fought victory, but in my mind it was far less impressive than the two Abraham victories.

You neatly sidestepped my first question.

Who better than Taylor have ANY of the other guys beaten?

If you want to insist he hasn't been p4p for the last two years, name a single opponent any of the other guys has beat who has EVER been in the p4p?

None of the other guys Froch and Taylor withstanding, have beaten a p4p fighter, either p4p present or p4p at any time in their careers. My point still stands.

If you disagree then point out which opponents on the resume's of Ward, Dirrel, Abraham and Kessler is a better win then KO'ing Jermain Taylor?

I ignored it because it wasn't relevant to the discussion we were having. We were talking about Taylor's P4P status and Ward/Abraham's victories over Miranda.

No one in the tournament has beaten anyone better than Jermaine Taylor. However, that doesn't necessarily make Froch the best fight in the tournament.

Well this is the entirety of what I wrote;


Maybe they have Froch as favourite becuase his meeting with Taylor is the only form guide we have, none of the others having met each other before.

KO'ing the former undisputed middleweight champion of the world, a fighter who has only ever been beaten by one other man (dodgy scorecards withstanding) is probably seen as great form going in to this.

Abraham at super middleweight is an unknown, also Miranda aside he's never fought an elite opponent.

Kessler lost to Calzaghe and has been pretty inactive since. Maybe he should be favourite, but its clear only Froch has a win over a p4p guy at this point.

I think everything I said above is accurate. Nowhere above did I claim Froch would win the tournament, or that I thought he was favourite, I just aimed to answer the question why the bookies made him favourite.

And the fact is he's the favourite for two reasons, one he's the British boy, and two because he's the only guy in this tournament who has a Grade A win over an elite fighter.

You can argue semantics about whether Taylor was not p4p for the past couple years but there is no question that he has been p4p, and p4p Top 5 no less, so he's an elite fighter, and none of the other fighters, not even Kessler have an elite opponent on their resume.

Taylor was unquestionable p4p when he beat Hopkins twice and was the undisputed middleweight champ. He's still not even 30 I believe and has only ever been beaten by one before. Knocking him out is the biggest win any of these 6 have, and the fact that Froch did it is why the bookies have him favourite,

So far from being irelevent, my posting was entirely to the point

You saying he wasn't p4p when Froch beat him is what is irelevent. My point is nobody else has beaten anyone better, and in a tournament that favours knockouts, Froch's proven ability to KO elite fighters, along with his British status has seen him (quite sensibly from the bookmakers point of view) to being made the betting favourite prior to the beginning of the tournament.

Of course all odds will change as the event goes on, but right now William Hill have him favourite for a reason, him winning could cost them the most money.

[leftylee]

Maybe they have Froch as favourite becuase his meeting with Taylor is the only form guide we have, none of the others having met each other before.

KO'ing the former undisputed middleweight champion of the world, a fighter who has only ever been beaten by one other man (dodgy scorecards withstanding) is probably seen as great form going in to this.

Abraham at super middleweight is an unknown, also Miranda aside he's never fought an elite opponent.

Kessler lost to Calzaghe and has been pretty inactive since. Maybe he should be favourite, but its clear only Froch has a win over a p4p guy at this point.

Both Andre's are largely unknown quantities, Ward less so following his dominant win over Miranda, more impressive than Abraham's outings imo, although he's yet to fight at world class so we can't really put him above Artur.

I think the bookies have a tough time with this. Obviously in Britain many will be backing Froch, and as the only fighter to already have a win in this class, and by KO, it's understandable they have made him favourite.

Kessler is probably the most sensible choice if I had to pick, he is a proven performer at this level.

I guess Abraham would be at 3, but he's still yet to fight in this class, and has not yet fought at 168.

Taylor has the skills to beat them all, but in fading to Pavlik and now Froch, and barely hanging on against Winky Wright there are justifiably many doubts about his ability to last into the championship rounds so a risky choice to put money on.

The Andre's could both certainly do well, but we have no form guide to go on with them, especially Dirrell so they deserve to be the betting outsiders at this point.

Who did Froch fight who was a P4P fighter? Taylor was far, far removed from that status and Pascal isn't even close.

Also, you found Ward's victory over Miranda better than Abraham's? I disagree there. The first Abraham - Miranda fight, while it could (and possibly should) have been a TKO, was an extremely impressive show of heart by Abraham and I think (ignore the TKO scenario) that even without the point deductions Abraham won. In the second fight, he absolutely schooled and then stopped Miranda. Ward's performance was good as well, but the version of Miranda he beat was a lot more known and exposed than the one Abraham defeated twice.

I gave Miranda the first 3 rounds of the second fight. No way was Abraham winning after 3.

[CFH]

Maybe they have Froch as favourite becuase his meeting with Taylor is the only form guide we have, none of the others having met each other before.

KO'ing the former undisputed middleweight champion of the world, a fighter who has only ever been beaten by one other man (dodgy scorecards withstanding) is probably seen as great form going in to this.

Abraham at super middleweight is an unknown, also Miranda aside he's never fought an elite opponent.

Kessler lost to Calzaghe and has been pretty inactive since. Maybe he should be favourite, but its clear only Froch has a win over a p4p guy at this point.

Both Andre's are largely unknown quantities, Ward less so following his dominant win over Miranda, more impressive than Abraham's outings imo, although he's yet to fight at world class so we can't really put him above Artur.

I think the bookies have a tough time with this. Obviously in Britain many will be backing Froch, and as the only fighter to already have a win in this class, and by KO, it's understandable they have made him favourite.

Kessler is probably the most sensible choice if I had to pick, he is a proven performer at this level.

I guess Abraham would be at 3, but he's still yet to fight in this class, and has not yet fought at 168.

Taylor has the skills to beat them all, but in fading to Pavlik and now Froch, and barely hanging on against Winky Wright there are justifiably many doubts about his ability to last into the championship rounds so a risky choice to put money on.

The Andre's could both certainly do well, but we have no form guide to go on with them, especially Dirrell so they deserve to be the betting outsiders at this point.

Who did Froch fight who was a P4P fighter? Taylor was far, far removed from that status and Pascal isn't even close.

Also, you found Ward's victory over Miranda better than Abraham's? I disagree there. The first Abraham - Miranda fight, while it could (and possibly should) have been a TKO, was an extremely impressive show of heart by Abraham and I think (ignore the TKO scenario) that even without the point deductions Abraham won. In the second fight, he absolutely schooled and then stopped Miranda. Ward's performance was good as well, but the version of Miranda he beat was a lot more known and exposed than the one Abraham defeated twice.

I gave Miranda the first 3 rounds of the second fight. No way was Abraham winning after 3.

Abraham may not have been winning at the point, because he had done nothing offensively, but that doesn't mean he wasn't making Miranda do exactly what he wanted him to do. Miranda couldn't penetrate his defense at all, was made to do exactly what Abraham wanted him to do, and got knocked out the instant Abraham started to punch. I would consider that a schooling.

[leftylee]

Who did Froch fight who was a P4P fighter? Taylor was far, far removed from that status and Pascal isn't even close.

Also, you found Ward's victory over Miranda better than Abraham's? I disagree there. The first Abraham - Miranda fight, while it could (and possibly should) have been a TKO, was an extremely impressive show of heart by Abraham and I think (ignore the TKO scenario) that even without the point deductions Abraham won. In the second fight, he absolutely schooled and then stopped Miranda. Ward's performance was good as well, but the version of Miranda he beat was a lot more known and exposed than the one Abraham defeated twice.

I gave Miranda the first 3 rounds of the second fight. No way was Abraham winning after 3.

Abraham may not have been winning at the point, because he had done nothing offensively, but that doesn't mean he wasn't making Miranda do exactly what he wanted him to do. Miranda couldn't penetrate his defense at all, was made to do exactly what Abraham wanted him to do, and got knocked out the instant Abraham started to punch. I would consider that a schooling.

Talk about contradicting.

So if a fighter gets dominated the first 3 rounds of a fight and then all of a sudden has a big 4th round and wins by KO he schooled his opponent in the entire fight? Whatever.

[CFH]

I gave Miranda the first 3 rounds of the second fight. No way was Abraham winning after 3.

Abraham may not have been winning at the point, because he had done nothing offensively, but that doesn't mean he wasn't making Miranda do exactly what he wanted him to do. Miranda couldn't penetrate his defense at all, was made to do exactly what Abraham wanted him to do, and got knocked out the instant Abraham started to punch. I would consider that a schooling.

Talk about contradicting.

So if a fighter gets dominated the first 3 rounds of a fight and then all of a sudden has a big 4th round and wins by KO he schooled his opponent in the entire fight? Whatever.

It's not a contradiction at all. Miranda was not dominating anything. If he was winning it was because he fighting offensively while Abraham did nothing. He never landed anything of real significance, Abraham made him do what he wanted him to do and then knocked him out as soon as he opened up. Miranda did nothing in that fight but hit gloves and then get knocked out; he did nothing offensively significant through the entire fight.