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    Default Re: Marciano and Generational Bias

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    Quote Originally Posted by generalbulldog View Post
    I think another problem many people also have with Marciano is that his opposition wasn't that strong, they aren't going to get swayed by that undefeated record.

    However he beat everyone in his path and took on all comers and you can only fight who's in front of you. He is an all time hw great, just not the greatest.

    And I'll be happy to argue the opposition point any time, because he fought the best they had out there. Guys like Phil Muscato, Rex Layne, Moore (IBHF), Charles (IBHF), Walcott (IBHF), Louis (IBHF), LaStarza (57-9), Harry Matthews (90-7-6), and many other rugged hombres.

    It was a era where fighters continued to take on the top flight opposition right to the end of their careers.
    Like I said he was a great HW, just not the greatest and his opposition wasn't that good. You list guys like Charles, Walcott, Moore, and the great Joe Louis. But what age and condition were they in when Marciano beat them?

    Charles was around 38 or 39 with many ring wars same with Walcott and Moore who started his career at middleweight that went on to become a great LHW. And Joe Louis was 37 and a shot fighter when he fought Marciano. Does that victory even count? That's like Larry Holmes beating up on a 38 year old and shot Muhammad ALi. Hell even Larry Holmes fans don't even count that victory.

    A lot of the Hall of Fame guys Marciano fought that supposedly made him the greatest HW were either shot or old as hell, let's put that in the equation too.

    And let's be honest now the only great and in his prime HW that Marciano fought was Muhammad ALi and that wasn't even a real fight but a simulation that had him knocking out ALi! I mean that's pretty sad that the best fight Marciano was in was a simulation.
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