Top Amateurs need to start faster

[ryanman]

Agree absolutely.
Obviously for promoters, managers etc its all about money. They know they can make a few quid by padding a guy's record and maneuvering him into some sort of title shot. IMO, if they had faith in thier fighter they would push them much earlier. What promoters need to realise is that this tactic will eventually COST them money. For them to make money, boxing needs to thrive and maintain popular support. A succession of dud fights does nothing for the popularity of the sport, and thus the pot of money available in boxing will decrease. They have a short-termist approach which whilst it might make them some quick cash it is certainly not a sustainable model. Also, the casual fan's obsession with the perfect record adds to the promoters desire to keep feeding their prospects human punch bags. People need to remember that a loss, even at an early stage in the career, is not a disaster.

[JazMerkin]

To be fair Rigondeaux is stepping it up heavily in his next fight, a 10 round contest with Giovanni Andrade who fought Juan Manuel Lopez just 2 years ago. Should he win this I have no doubt he'll step up again. I'm not a huge Rigondeaux fan like Taeth but he does now appear to be doing his bit so fair play to him.

Jacobs seems to have come on pretty well to me, I was very impressed with his performance live against Walker, particularly as he'd only taken on short notice an opponent originally scheduled for James Kirkland.

I agree about Wilder though, he's fighting guys who tomato cans dismiss as not challenging enough. Korobov also seems to have done too much to fast, I thought he was lucky to get away with it against Loren Myers who had him buzzed & even Top Rank PPV had Korobov drawing, so he obviously got a shutout. Whilst Diaz on paper appeared a step-up, in reality he was actually a weaker fighter who had built his record up against 1st timers & serial losers in Mexico.

Here in the UK, we've got Tyson Fury & Derek Chisora (both of whom I detest), but who to be fair have taken tough fights from the get go.

[holmcall]

To be fair Rigondeaux is stepping it up heavily in his next fight, a 10 round contest with Giovanni Andrade who fought Juan Manuel Lopez just 2 years ago. Should he win this I have no doubt he'll step up again. I'm not a huge Rigondeaux fan like Taeth but he does now appear to be doing his bit so fair play to him.

Jacobs seems to have come on pretty well to me, I was very impressed with his performance live against Walker, particularly as he'd only taken on short notice an opponent originally scheduled for James Kirkland.

I agree about Wilder though, he's fighting guys who tomato cans dismiss as not challenging enough. Korobov also seems to have done too much to fast, I thought he was lucky to get away with it against Loren Myers who had him buzzed & even Top Rank PPV had Korobov drawing, so he obviously got a shutout. Whilst Diaz on paper appeared a step-up, in reality he was actually a weaker fighter who had built his record up against 1st timers & serial losers in Mexico.

Here in the UK, we've got Tyson Fury & Derek Chisora (both of whom I detest), but who to be fair have taken tough fights from the get go.

A careful review of Giovanni's record tells the story. Eveytime he stepped up, he either got waxed or lost by decision. Hell, JML iced him in a matter of seconds. I remember Johnny Tapia starching him abou 13 years ago. He fights and KOs grim opposition. On paper, it looks like a step up. In reality, he will be iced within two minutes. He also fights a lot of the same opponents multiple times. He has also fought outside of Brazil and is 4-10 whil doing so. The guy is as done as burnt toast insodar as Guillermo is concerned.

[OumaFan]

I disagree about Wilder, he's a strange case, he didn't even have many amateur fights If I remember correctly and he's obviously raw as hell. Maybe he should be in a bit tougher but if he's in tougher it should be with just slightly tougher cans, he's not ready and is learning on the job. You just can't compare him to a Kostya Tsyzu who was incomparably more ready to be a pro than a guy like Wilder.

[JazMerkin]

To be fair Rigondeaux is stepping it up heavily in his next fight, a 10 round contest with Giovanni Andrade who fought Juan Manuel Lopez just 2 years ago. Should he win this I have no doubt he'll step up again. I'm not a huge Rigondeaux fan like Taeth but he does now appear to be doing his bit so fair play to him.

Jacobs seems to have come on pretty well to me, I was very impressed with his performance live against Walker, particularly as he'd only taken on short notice an opponent originally scheduled for James Kirkland.

I agree about Wilder though, he's fighting guys who tomato cans dismiss as not challenging enough. Korobov also seems to have done too much to fast, I thought he was lucky to get away with it against Loren Myers who had him buzzed & even Top Rank PPV had Korobov drawing, so he obviously got a shutout. Whilst Diaz on paper appeared a step-up, in reality he was actually a weaker fighter who had built his record up against 1st timers & serial losers in Mexico.

Here in the UK, we've got Tyson Fury & Derek Chisora (both of whom I detest), but who to be fair have taken tough fights from the get go.

A careful review of Giovanni's record tells the story. Eveytime he stepped up, he either got waxed or lost by decision. Hell, JML iced him in a matter of seconds. I remember Johnny Tapia starching him abou 13 years ago. He fights and KOs grim opposition. On paper, it looks like a step up. In reality, he will be iced within two minutes. He also fights a lot of the same opponents multiple times. He has also fought outside of Brazil and is 4-10 whil doing so. The guy is as done as burnt toast insodar as Guillermo is concerned.

I'm aware of that, however regardless of that he's still a difficult opponent for only a 3rd professional fight. I've no doubt Rigondeaux beats him & handily, but the number of rounds (10) also makes it an impressive fight, given it being only his 3rd.

[holmcall]

To be fair Rigondeaux is stepping it up heavily in his next fight, a 10 round contest with Giovanni Andrade who fought Juan Manuel Lopez just 2 years ago. Should he win this I have no doubt he'll step up again. I'm not a huge Rigondeaux fan like Taeth but he does now appear to be doing his bit so fair play to him.

Jacobs seems to have come on pretty well to me, I was very impressed with his performance live against Walker, particularly as he'd only taken on short notice an opponent originally scheduled for James Kirkland.

I agree about Wilder though, he's fighting guys who tomato cans dismiss as not challenging enough. Korobov also seems to have done too much to fast, I thought he was lucky to get away with it against Loren Myers who had him buzzed & even Top Rank PPV had Korobov drawing, so he obviously got a shutout. Whilst Diaz on paper appeared a step-up, in reality he was actually a weaker fighter who had built his record up against 1st timers & serial losers in Mexico.

Here in the UK, we've got Tyson Fury & Derek Chisora (both of whom I detest), but who to be fair have taken tough fights from the get go.

A careful review of Giovanni's record tells the story. Eveytime he stepped up, he either got waxed or lost by decision. Hell, JML iced him in a matter of seconds. I remember Johnny Tapia starching him abou 13 years ago. He fights and KOs grim opposition. On paper, it looks like a step up. In reality, he will be iced within two minutes. He also fights a lot of the same opponents multiple times. He has also fought outside of Brazil and is 4-10 whil doing so. The guy is as done as burnt toast insodar as Guillermo is concerned.

I'm aware of that, however regardless of that he's still a difficult opponent for only a 3rd professional fight. I've no doubt Rigondeaux beats him & handily, but the number of rounds (10) also makes it an impressive fight, given it being only his 3rd.

Well, I'd have to disagree with due respect. The Cuban to me is going in there with God knows how many anature bouts and Gold medals in different tournaments. Andrade is dreadful. See this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OCXJlMa0Kc

[Violent Demise]

To be fair Rigondeaux is stepping it up heavily in his next fight, a 10 round contest with Giovanni Andrade who fought Juan Manuel Lopez just 2 years ago. Should he win this I have no doubt he'll step up again. I'm not a huge Rigondeaux fan like Taeth but he does now appear to be doing his bit so fair play to him.

Jacobs seems to have come on pretty well to me, I was very impressed with his performance live against Walker, particularly as he'd only taken on short notice an opponent originally scheduled for James Kirkland.

I agree about Wilder though, he's fighting guys who tomato cans dismiss as not challenging enough. Korobov also seems to have done too much to fast, I thought he was lucky to get away with it against Loren Myers who had him buzzed & even Top Rank PPV had Korobov drawing, so he obviously got a shutout. Whilst Diaz on paper appeared a step-up, in reality he was actually a weaker fighter who had built his record up against 1st timers & serial losers in Mexico.

Here in the UK, we've got Tyson Fury & Derek Chisora (both of whom I detest), but who to be fair have taken tough fights from the get go.

A careful review of Giovanni's record tells the story. Eveytime he stepped up, he either got waxed or lost by decision. Hell, JML iced him in a matter of seconds. I remember Johnny Tapia starching him abou 13 years ago. He fights and KOs grim opposition. On paper, it looks like a step up. In reality, he will be iced within two minutes. He also fights a lot of the same opponents multiple times. He has also fought outside of Brazil and is 4-10 whil doing so. The guy is as done as burnt toast insodar as Guillermo is concerned.

I'm aware of that, however regardless of that he's still a difficult opponent for only a 3rd professional fight. I've no doubt Rigondeaux beats him & handily, but the number of rounds (10) also makes it an impressive fight, given it being only his 3rd.

Really he's not. One look at his record says it all. He's a D level fighter who's bulid up his win total by beating fellow D and F leval fighters. I would not consider him a step up

[JazMerkin]

A careful review of Giovanni's record tells the story. Eveytime he stepped up, he either got waxed or lost by decision. Hell, JML iced him in a matter of seconds. I remember Johnny Tapia starching him abou 13 years ago. He fights and KOs grim opposition. On paper, it looks like a step up. In reality, he will be iced within two minutes. He also fights a lot of the same opponents multiple times. He has also fought outside of Brazil and is 4-10 whil doing so. The guy is as done as burnt toast insodar as Guillermo is concerned.

I'm aware of that, however regardless of that he's still a difficult opponent for only a 3rd professional fight. I've no doubt Rigondeaux beats him & handily, but the number of rounds (10) also makes it an impressive fight, given it being only his 3rd.

Really he's not. One look at his record says it all. He's a D level fighter who's bulid up his win total by beating fellow D and F leval fighters. I would not consider him a step up

Fair enough, but I still think that fighting 10 rounds in only his 3rd pro fight is worthy of credit. On another note, I was doing the boxrec thing & saw Rigondeaux's last tomato can beat the only man to ever beat Nonito Donaire. So following Hatton-hugger logic (Hatton KO'd Castillo who Mayweather only closely beat) that must mean that Rigondeaux is now pound for pound top 10. Taeth will be happy

[holmcall]

[Taeth]

I'm aware of that, however regardless of that he's still a difficult opponent for only a 3rd professional fight. I've no doubt Rigondeaux beats him & handily, but the number of rounds (10) also makes it an impressive fight, given it being only his 3rd.

Really he's not. One look at his record says it all. He's a D level fighter who's bulid up his win total by beating fellow D and F leval fighters. I would not consider him a step up

Fair enough, but I still think that fighting 10 rounds in only his 3rd pro fight is worthy of credit. On another note, I was doing the boxrec thing & saw Rigondeaux's last tomato can beat the only man to ever beat Nonito Donaire. So following Hatton-hugger logic (Hatton KO'd Castillo who Mayweather only closely beat) that must mean that Rigondeaux is now pound for pound top 10. Taeth will be happy

Sorry what has Rigondeaux done so far to not prove him to be a future top boxer in the sport? After watching him, and all his fights that are on youtube, how can you not be convinced of how good he is? Or do we have to weight for him to beat guys like Vazquez, JML, Marquez, and Gamboa? Because it will happen in the next couple of years.