Top Amateurs need to start faster

[JazMerkin]

To be fair Rigondeaux is stepping it up heavily in his next fight, a 10 round contest with Giovanni Andrade who fought Juan Manuel Lopez just 2 years ago. Should he win this I have no doubt he'll step up again. I'm not a huge Rigondeaux fan like Taeth but he does now appear to be doing his bit so fair play to him.

Jacobs seems to have come on pretty well to me, I was very impressed with his performance live against Walker, particularly as he'd only taken on short notice an opponent originally scheduled for James Kirkland.

I agree about Wilder though, he's fighting guys who tomato cans dismiss as not challenging enough. Korobov also seems to have done too much to fast, I thought he was lucky to get away with it against Loren Myers who had him buzzed & even Top Rank PPV had Korobov drawing, so he obviously got a shutout. Whilst Diaz on paper appeared a step-up, in reality he was actually a weaker fighter who had built his record up against 1st timers & serial losers in Mexico.

Here in the UK, we've got Tyson Fury & Derek Chisora (both of whom I detest), but who to be fair have taken tough fights from the get go.

A careful review of Giovanni's record tells the story. Eveytime he stepped up, he either got waxed or lost by decision. Hell, JML iced him in a matter of seconds. I remember Johnny Tapia starching him abou 13 years ago. He fights and KOs grim opposition. On paper, it looks like a step up. In reality, he will be iced within two minutes. He also fights a lot of the same opponents multiple times. He has also fought outside of Brazil and is 4-10 whil doing so. The guy is as done as burnt toast insodar as Guillermo is concerned.

I'm aware of that, however regardless of that he's still a difficult opponent for only a 3rd professional fight. I've no doubt Rigondeaux beats him & handily, but the number of rounds (10) also makes it an impressive fight, given it being only his 3rd.

[holmcall]

To be fair Rigondeaux is stepping it up heavily in his next fight, a 10 round contest with Giovanni Andrade who fought Juan Manuel Lopez just 2 years ago. Should he win this I have no doubt he'll step up again. I'm not a huge Rigondeaux fan like Taeth but he does now appear to be doing his bit so fair play to him.

Jacobs seems to have come on pretty well to me, I was very impressed with his performance live against Walker, particularly as he'd only taken on short notice an opponent originally scheduled for James Kirkland.

I agree about Wilder though, he's fighting guys who tomato cans dismiss as not challenging enough. Korobov also seems to have done too much to fast, I thought he was lucky to get away with it against Loren Myers who had him buzzed & even Top Rank PPV had Korobov drawing, so he obviously got a shutout. Whilst Diaz on paper appeared a step-up, in reality he was actually a weaker fighter who had built his record up against 1st timers & serial losers in Mexico.

Here in the UK, we've got Tyson Fury & Derek Chisora (both of whom I detest), but who to be fair have taken tough fights from the get go.

A careful review of Giovanni's record tells the story. Eveytime he stepped up, he either got waxed or lost by decision. Hell, JML iced him in a matter of seconds. I remember Johnny Tapia starching him abou 13 years ago. He fights and KOs grim opposition. On paper, it looks like a step up. In reality, he will be iced within two minutes. He also fights a lot of the same opponents multiple times. He has also fought outside of Brazil and is 4-10 whil doing so. The guy is as done as burnt toast insodar as Guillermo is concerned.

I'm aware of that, however regardless of that he's still a difficult opponent for only a 3rd professional fight. I've no doubt Rigondeaux beats him & handily, but the number of rounds (10) also makes it an impressive fight, given it being only his 3rd.

Well, I'd have to disagree with due respect. The Cuban to me is going in there with God knows how many anature bouts and Gold medals in different tournaments. Andrade is dreadful. See this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OCXJlMa0Kc

[Violent Demise]

To be fair Rigondeaux is stepping it up heavily in his next fight, a 10 round contest with Giovanni Andrade who fought Juan Manuel Lopez just 2 years ago. Should he win this I have no doubt he'll step up again. I'm not a huge Rigondeaux fan like Taeth but he does now appear to be doing his bit so fair play to him.

Jacobs seems to have come on pretty well to me, I was very impressed with his performance live against Walker, particularly as he'd only taken on short notice an opponent originally scheduled for James Kirkland.

I agree about Wilder though, he's fighting guys who tomato cans dismiss as not challenging enough. Korobov also seems to have done too much to fast, I thought he was lucky to get away with it against Loren Myers who had him buzzed & even Top Rank PPV had Korobov drawing, so he obviously got a shutout. Whilst Diaz on paper appeared a step-up, in reality he was actually a weaker fighter who had built his record up against 1st timers & serial losers in Mexico.

Here in the UK, we've got Tyson Fury & Derek Chisora (both of whom I detest), but who to be fair have taken tough fights from the get go.

A careful review of Giovanni's record tells the story. Eveytime he stepped up, he either got waxed or lost by decision. Hell, JML iced him in a matter of seconds. I remember Johnny Tapia starching him abou 13 years ago. He fights and KOs grim opposition. On paper, it looks like a step up. In reality, he will be iced within two minutes. He also fights a lot of the same opponents multiple times. He has also fought outside of Brazil and is 4-10 whil doing so. The guy is as done as burnt toast insodar as Guillermo is concerned.

I'm aware of that, however regardless of that he's still a difficult opponent for only a 3rd professional fight. I've no doubt Rigondeaux beats him & handily, but the number of rounds (10) also makes it an impressive fight, given it being only his 3rd.

Really he's not. One look at his record says it all. He's a D level fighter who's bulid up his win total by beating fellow D and F leval fighters. I would not consider him a step up

[JazMerkin]

A careful review of Giovanni's record tells the story. Eveytime he stepped up, he either got waxed or lost by decision. Hell, JML iced him in a matter of seconds. I remember Johnny Tapia starching him abou 13 years ago. He fights and KOs grim opposition. On paper, it looks like a step up. In reality, he will be iced within two minutes. He also fights a lot of the same opponents multiple times. He has also fought outside of Brazil and is 4-10 whil doing so. The guy is as done as burnt toast insodar as Guillermo is concerned.

I'm aware of that, however regardless of that he's still a difficult opponent for only a 3rd professional fight. I've no doubt Rigondeaux beats him & handily, but the number of rounds (10) also makes it an impressive fight, given it being only his 3rd.

Really he's not. One look at his record says it all. He's a D level fighter who's bulid up his win total by beating fellow D and F leval fighters. I would not consider him a step up

Fair enough, but I still think that fighting 10 rounds in only his 3rd pro fight is worthy of credit. On another note, I was doing the boxrec thing & saw Rigondeaux's last tomato can beat the only man to ever beat Nonito Donaire. So following Hatton-hugger logic (Hatton KO'd Castillo who Mayweather only closely beat) that must mean that Rigondeaux is now pound for pound top 10. Taeth will be happy

[holmcall]

[OumaFan]

The guy's about to have his third fight

Three fights. 3. Who cares what a guy does in his first three fights?

[BoomBoom]

I agree completely. I see some of these amateurs like Demetrius Andrade or Danny O'Connor and look at the guys they are fighting and that makes me not waste my time to watch them, because the result of the fight is already determined before the first bell. Tszyu, De La Hoya, among other top amateurs fought stiff opposition from the start and that only helped them to grow as fighters. Getting used to fighting no-hoper only makes a fighter get lazy or complacent.

[Andre]

Kostya was born for the pros. He was a natural finisher and went after his man more than points so I think the transition came more naturally to him as well.

[Kel]

Kostya was born for the pros. He was a natural finisher and went after his man more than points so I think the transition came more naturally to him as well.

You are bang on! Tszyu was fucking great to watch!

[Taeth]

I'm aware of that, however regardless of that he's still a difficult opponent for only a 3rd professional fight. I've no doubt Rigondeaux beats him & handily, but the number of rounds (10) also makes it an impressive fight, given it being only his 3rd.

Really he's not. One look at his record says it all. He's a D level fighter who's bulid up his win total by beating fellow D and F leval fighters. I would not consider him a step up

Fair enough, but I still think that fighting 10 rounds in only his 3rd pro fight is worthy of credit. On another note, I was doing the boxrec thing & saw Rigondeaux's last tomato can beat the only man to ever beat Nonito Donaire. So following Hatton-hugger logic (Hatton KO'd Castillo who Mayweather only closely beat) that must mean that Rigondeaux is now pound for pound top 10. Taeth will be happy

Sorry what has Rigondeaux done so far to not prove him to be a future top boxer in the sport? After watching him, and all his fights that are on youtube, how can you not be convinced of how good he is? Or do we have to weight for him to beat guys like Vazquez, JML, Marquez, and Gamboa? Because it will happen in the next couple of years.

[Zelley]

I think the boxer and his team need to establish a four year plan to fight for a title. Each step along the way should be a slow improvement in quality of opposition and a test against various styles.

[holmcall]

I think the boxer and his team need to establish a four year plan to fight for a title. Each step along the way should be a slow improvement in quality of opposition and a test against various styles.

Like Russ Abner is doing with Canadian David Lemuiex (16-0 with 16 kos). That is agreat model to follow IMO.

[jokaleras]

you forgot to space between 'a' and 'great'. otherwise, good call holmcall.

[Violent Demise]

The guy's about to have his third fight

Three fights. 3. Who cares what a guy does in his first three fights?

When people claim your the greatest amateur fighter ever and a for sure pound for pound fighter it matters

I think the boxer and his team need to establish a four year plan to fight for a title. Each step along the way should be a slow improvement in quality of opposition and a test against various styles.

Like Russ Abner is doing with Canadian David Lemuiex (16-0 with 16 kos). That is agreat model to follow IMO.

I've had my eye on Lemieux since he turned pro.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tml#post505336

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tml#post505361

I think he was 4-0 at that time

[JazMerkin]

Really he's not. One look at his record says it all. He's a D level fighter who's bulid up his win total by beating fellow D and F leval fighters. I would not consider him a step up

Fair enough, but I still think that fighting 10 rounds in only his 3rd pro fight is worthy of credit. On another note, I was doing the boxrec thing & saw Rigondeaux's last tomato can beat the only man to ever beat Nonito Donaire. So following Hatton-hugger logic (Hatton KO'd Castillo who Mayweather only closely beat) that must mean that Rigondeaux is now pound for pound top 10. Taeth will be happy

Sorry what has Rigondeaux done so far to not prove him to be a future top boxer in the sport? After watching him, and all his fights that are on youtube, how can you not be convinced of how good he is? Or do we have to weight for him to beat guys like Vazquez, JML, Marquez, and Gamboa? Because it will happen in the next couple of years.