Ratings discussions, ideas, concerns etc

[Spicoli]

Tempted to just say that where a guy has fought last is where he should be ranked.Maybe we should draw distinctions between a mere tune up and a 'meaningful' fight with top ten and pool members when?Can we track the number of guys who have gone up and how many have returned to lower weight class?Alot of contributing factors,are they rising for a proposed big payday,testing the waters...cannot or will not make the weight any longer.It comes down to guys being ranked in multiple divisions,pool and or top ten.Not big on that as it staggers other fighters progression and can make it messy.

[killersheep]

Tempted to just say that where a guy has fought last is where he should be ranked.Maybe we should draw distinctions between a mere tune up and a 'meaningful' fight with top ten and pool members when?Can we track the number of guys who have gone up and how many have returned to lower weight class?Alot of contributing factors,are they rising for a proposed big payday,testing the waters...cannot or will not make the weight any longer.It comes down to guys being ranked in multiple divisions,pool and or top ten.Not big on that as it staggers other fighters progression and can make it messy.

The problem is with fighters like Pacquiao and Paul Williams. After these next fights who knows where their going to be next.

[Galaxy]

I think it should be taken on a case by case basis (stealing from Spicoli). If someone has an issue with a fighter in this situation like Donaire then all they have to do is put up a vote & let the committee decide.

In Donaire's case I would agree with removing him from 112 as it also creates the possibility that Naito/ Koki Kameda could qualify for our championship!!!

[JazMerkin]

Well, I've come up with my latest hair-brained scheme for our rankings

I was updating the fight schedule & realized that Zab Judah has arranged a fight with Ramon Montano just as his 1 year runs out.

Anyway this got me thinking. Judah is effectively obeying our rules on staying in the rankings, however, the last time he beat any opponent who could be considered above journeyman level was Cosme Rivera back in 2005. Since then he's been beaten comfortably by Floyd Mayweather Jr, Miguel Cotto & Joshua Clottey.

I'd propose a new rule in VERY individual cases, where a fighter who is not actively refusing to take on a decent level of competition is dropped to the bottom of the rankings. Not thrown out altogether, as he is in line with the rules, but I feel a fighter like Judah who's getting by fighting club fighters once a year shouldn't hold his 7th spot on that basis. I propose that fighters doing this (& he's not the only one) should drop to the bottom place in the rankings.

Just to be clear, this is not about punishing fighters not fighting the best competition they could be, but fighters doing the bare minimum & effectively fighting no better than club fighters keeping a ranking. It is a case by case thing, something I feel we would only have to use very sparingly.

Hope that makes sense

[Spicoli]

In the case of Zab every exception towards the door should be made .We could call it the 'stepping stone' rule.Would this be similar to the once a month vote for dropping guys down a notch?Going through this with Peter now.It may take longer,but we'll get him there

[JazMerkin]

In the case of Zab every exception towards the door should be made .We could call it the 'stepping stone' rule.Would this be similar to the once a month vote for dropping guys down a notch?Going through this with Peter now.It may take longer,but we'll get him there

As much as I dislike Peter, he is still a guy who in recent history has been taking tough fights, as in the case of the Chambers fights. He might look terrible in them. The last time Judah took a difficult fight against Clottey, Peter was the WBC champ of the world. I think this rule should only be for guys who are REALLY taking the piss in terms of comp. Looking at what Zab, that seems to be exactly what he's doing

[Galaxy]

I see where your coming from Jaz & I feel your pain. I was hoping Judah would hit the 1 year inactivity mark & we could give him the boot. I was also going to demote him at the beginning of this month but thought if Pacquiao defeats Cotto it would make the demotion pointless.

I think we've got the tools as it is to get rid of these fighters, as Spicoli says it may take a little longer but we'll get there.

I promise I'll put up a demotion vote for Judah on the 1st of November