Kirkland news, kind of.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Dude was robbed at gunpoint earlier this year, I know laws are laws but it is not like he pulled a gun on anyone this time. I don't get this idea that Kirkland is trying to play a thug or anything like that. I think he was trying to obtain a gun to make sure he wouldn't be letting himself be robbed again. I don't really know if I agree that felons shouldn't be allowed to carry weapons either, I mean aren't they the people most likely to be shot? They should have to get a permit like anyone else but it is pretty much a fact that if they won't let you get one legally you will have to get one illegally in order to protect yourself.

Yea lets give felons the opportunity to carry guns, awesome idea

At least then we would have a record of the guns they have. Do you think actual gang bangers and violent criminals aren't going to go out and buy another gun illegally anyway? I'm not saying Kirkland should be able to own a gun but there is simple logic to why he might feel the need to own one. That thought has more to do with people automatically thinking he is a thug, and the comments about felons being allowed to own guns to do with the actual law. I know in Kirkland's case he was arrested for a firearm related offense before and he should get in trouble for this. What about someone that stole $1000 worth of golf clubs though and got a felony charge, should they not be allowed to own a gun to protect themselves? Or someone who records a conversation without consent in the state I live, FL, they get charged with a felony and lose the right to protect themselves. Instead of saying all felons can't ever have a gun or ammo again they should change it to crimes seriously violent in nature or felonies commited with the presence of a gun should lose gun rights or make it part of the sentencing on a case by case basis.

Right now it is a blanket law that is not fair. There is/was supposed to be a way to regain gun rights as a felon by requesting a background check that would be conducted by ATF but the federal government doesn't give them funds to run any checks. I am more of the opinion that we should find a way to serial number bullets and make them extremely expensive to buy. Then if someone steals your bullets, you should have to report that the same way you'd report a gun stolen. Say a box of 100 runs from serial number 1000-1100 and they have a record of who bought it, then whoever bought the bullets better have a good excuse for how any bullets with those numbers may have ended up at a crime scene.

yea and drug dealers only have the shit on them for personal use, convicted rapists or pedophiles should be able to babysit your children, and so on

[global]

Yea lets give felons the opportunity to carry guns, awesome idea

At least then we would have a record of the guns they have. Do you think actual gang bangers and violent criminals aren't going to go out and buy another gun illegally anyway? I'm not saying Kirkland should be able to own a gun but there is simple logic to why he might feel the need to own one. That thought has more to do with people automatically thinking he is a thug, and the comments about felons being allowed to own guns to do with the actual law. I know in Kirkland's case he was arrested for a firearm related offense before and he should get in trouble for this. What about someone that stole $1000 worth of golf clubs though and got a felony charge, should they not be allowed to own a gun to protect themselves? Or someone who records a conversation without consent in the state I live, FL, they get charged with a felony and lose the right to protect themselves. Instead of saying all felons can't ever have a gun or ammo again they should change it to crimes seriously violent in nature or felonies commited with the presence of a gun should lose gun rights or make it part of the sentencing on a case by case basis.

Right now it is a blanket law that is not fair. There is/was supposed to be a way to regain gun rights as a felon by requesting a background check that would be conducted by ATF but the federal government doesn't give them funds to run any checks. I am more of the opinion that we should find a way to serial number bullets and make them extremely expensive to buy. Then if someone steals your bullets, you should have to report that the same way you'd report a gun stolen. Say a box of 100 runs from serial number 1000-1100 and they have a record of who bought it, then whoever bought the bullets better have a good excuse for how any bullets with those numbers may have ended up at a crime scene.

yea and drug dealers only have the shit on them for personal use, convicted rapists or pedophiles should be able to babysit your children, and so on

And any of that has to do with gun laws how? Previously convicted drug dealers I believe shouldn't face any worse punishment than a normal person if they were to be found in possession of an amount appropriate to personal use. Sexual predators of almost all types need to have harsher sentences for sure. Pedophiles shouldn't be allowed near children ever, there is quite a bit of evidence suggesting most will never stop having fantasies and urges. Again I don't know how any of that has to do with gun laws regarding felons though.

[ElTerribleMorales]

At least then we would have a record of the guns they have. Do you think actual gang bangers and violent criminals aren't going to go out and buy another gun illegally anyway? I'm not saying Kirkland should be able to own a gun but there is simple logic to why he might feel the need to own one. That thought has more to do with people automatically thinking he is a thug, and the comments about felons being allowed to own guns to do with the actual law. I know in Kirkland's case he was arrested for a firearm related offense before and he should get in trouble for this. What about someone that stole $1000 worth of golf clubs though and got a felony charge, should they not be allowed to own a gun to protect themselves? Or someone who records a conversation without consent in the state I live, FL, they get charged with a felony and lose the right to protect themselves. Instead of saying all felons can't ever have a gun or ammo again they should change it to crimes seriously violent in nature or felonies commited with the presence of a gun should lose gun rights or make it part of the sentencing on a case by case basis.

Right now it is a blanket law that is not fair. There is/was supposed to be a way to regain gun rights as a felon by requesting a background check that would be conducted by ATF but the federal government doesn't give them funds to run any checks. I am more of the opinion that we should find a way to serial number bullets and make them extremely expensive to buy. Then if someone steals your bullets, you should have to report that the same way you'd report a gun stolen. Say a box of 100 runs from serial number 1000-1100 and they have a record of who bought it, then whoever bought the bullets better have a good excuse for how any bullets with those numbers may have ended up at a crime scene.

yea and drug dealers only have the shit on them for personal use, convicted rapists or pedophiles should be able to babysit your children, and so on

And any of that has to do with gun laws how? Previously convicted drug dealers I believe shouldn't face any worse punishment than a normal person if they were to be found in possession of an amount appropriate to personal use. Sexual predators of almost all types need to have harsher sentences for sure. Pedophiles shouldn't be allowed near children ever, there is quite a bit of evidence suggesting most will never stop having fantasies and urges. Again I don't know how any of that has to do with gun laws regarding felons though.

umm yea i'm seriously not gonna bother talkin to this brick wall, mark this one's all yours

[markb018]

yea and drug dealers only have the shit on them for personal use, convicted rapists or pedophiles should be able to babysit your children, and so on

And any of that has to do with gun laws how? Previously convicted drug dealers I believe shouldn't face any worse punishment than a normal person if they were to be found in possession of an amount appropriate to personal use. Sexual predators of almost all types need to have harsher sentences for sure. Pedophiles shouldn't be allowed near children ever, there is quite a bit of evidence suggesting most will never stop having fantasies and urges. Again I don't know how any of that has to do with gun laws regarding felons though.

umm yea i'm seriously not gonna bother talkin to this brick wall, mark this one's all yours

haha, nah man, I didn't even want to respond in the first place. You can't beat common sense into some people.

[global]

And any of that has to do with gun laws how? Previously convicted drug dealers I believe shouldn't face any worse punishment than a normal person if they were to be found in possession of an amount appropriate to personal use. Sexual predators of almost all types need to have harsher sentences for sure. Pedophiles shouldn't be allowed near children ever, there is quite a bit of evidence suggesting most will never stop having fantasies and urges. Again I don't know how any of that has to do with gun laws regarding felons though.

umm yea i'm seriously not gonna bother talkin to this brick wall, mark this one's all yours

haha, nah man, I didn't even want to respond in the first place. You can't beat common sense into some people.

Mark, it is much easier to just say "yeah he has no common sense" than it is to actually show any kind of evidence of such. So what about my posts isn't common sense? We can agree that people with violent convictions in the past should in most cases not get their gun rights back and we can agree that Kirkland should be punished for this. So the difference is that I believe we shouldn't have a blanket law disallowing felons from owning guns? Fine you can believe they shouldn't but isn't it common sense that someone who stole over $1000, cheated on taxes, or committed some other non violent offense deemed a felony shouldn't be excluded from owning a gun? Or is the problem that I said I could understand why Kirkland might want to own a gun after being robbed at gunpoint earlier this year?

And Morales, you couldn't explain what pedophiles and drug dealing has to do with any of the previous statements, instead you chose to just say I'm not listening. I'm listening I just want to hear something back related to what I was saying

[ElTerribleMorales]

umm yea i'm seriously not gonna bother talkin to this brick wall, mark this one's all yours

haha, nah man, I didn't even want to respond in the first place. You can't beat common sense into some people.

Mark, it is much easier to just say "yeah he has no common sense" than it is to actually show any kind of evidence of such. So what about my posts isn't common sense? We can agree that people with violent convictions in the past should in most cases not get their gun rights back and we can agree that Kirkland should be punished for this. So the difference is that I believe we shouldn't have a blanket law disallowing felons from owning guns? Fine you can believe they shouldn't but isn't it common sense that someone who stole over $1000, cheated on taxes, or committed some other non violent offense deemed a felony shouldn't be excluded from owning a gun? Or is the problem that I said I could understand why Kirkland might want to own a gun after being robbed at gunpoint earlier this year?

And Morales, you couldn't explain what pedophiles and drug dealing has to do with any of the previous statements, instead you chose to just say I'm not listening. I'm listening I just want to hear something back related to what I was saying

it's common sense that someone (KIRKLAND) who was arrested already for a violent or crime involving a weapon (gun) for example ARMED ROBBERY, shouldn't be allowed to own a LEGAL weapon after already being CONVICTED, much less while still on PROBATION, and retard if you couldn't tell that i was just throwing other examples that are basically the same scenarios you're a lot more fucking dense than i had originally thought

[C.J.Rock]

Kirkland is right where he should be in jail for a long long time
He had not one not two but THREE chances & blew them all. I guess once a street punk always a streetpunk.
Kirkland needs to look at Bernard Hopkins. He also did time & had boxing offer him a chance to turn his life around. Nard took the chance changed his lifestyle & with hard work look at him now .A rich young man & one of boxings true Living Legends. I dont think Kirkland posesses the heart Nard had

[global]

haha, nah man, I didn't even want to respond in the first place. You can't beat common sense into some people.

Mark, it is much easier to just say "yeah he has no common sense" than it is to actually show any kind of evidence of such. So what about my posts isn't common sense? We can agree that people with violent convictions in the past should in most cases not get their gun rights back and we can agree that Kirkland should be punished for this. So the difference is that I believe we shouldn't have a blanket law disallowing felons from owning guns? Fine you can believe they shouldn't but isn't it common sense that someone who stole over $1000, cheated on taxes, or committed some other non violent offense deemed a felony shouldn't be excluded from owning a gun? Or is the problem that I said I could understand why Kirkland might want to own a gun after being robbed at gunpoint earlier this year?

And Morales, you couldn't explain what pedophiles and drug dealing has to do with any of the previous statements, instead you chose to just say I'm not listening. I'm listening I just want to hear something back related to what I was saying

it's common sense that someone (KIRKLAND) who was arrested already for a violent or crime involving a weapon (gun) for example ARMED ROBBERY, shouldn't be allowed to own a LEGAL weapon after already being CONVICTED, much less while still on PROBATION, and retard if you couldn't tell that i was just throwing other examples that are basically the same scenarios you're a lot more fucking dense than i had originally thought

Way to sound like you can't read. I said Kirkland should be in trouble and shouldn't be allowed to have a gun, I simply said I understand why he would want one. I think arbitrarily throwing pedophiles into the conversation for no reason is retarded because it has nothing to do with anything previously written. I know you were just throwing out other examples, your examples were just bad though, like Teddy Atlas analogies. How is letting someone who gets a felony, for a non violent offense, regain their gun rights in any way parallel to letting a pedophile babysit your kids? You came up with two bad examples and now refuse to argue how they are related to felons and gun laws. If you ever figure out how to read what I wrote I'd like to find out what I said that is so insane. Quit worrying about calling me names and read what I wrote. I know it went off on a tangent talking about felons and gun laws not related to the Kirkland case, maybe that is what threw you off.

The thing that really bothered me about the thread and made me want to reply was it was the second time in the past week or two that Daxx claimed people were trying to act like thugs, Cloud first, now Kirkland, without reason. I just got off topic a bit talking about how the law works, and then it got your panties in a bunch for whatever reason. Sorry I went a bit off topic with my posts, it is a boxing forum and I went away from that part of the topic. That though is all I think was wrong with my posts.