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    Default Re: Gives me great pleasure to say this** IMO**

    Quote Originally Posted by JT Rock View Post
    FLOYD MAYWEATHER PFP#1 again baby.. I dont want to hear the size bullshit baby, Pac weighed more for there fights at 130...

    To me it was the defense and footwork and skill on a level this generation hasnt seen. Marquez was wiped out didnt win a second of a round.
    Get a grip dude. Remember. There is a difference between weighing more than your opponent at the weigh in than during a fight. Marquez is a great LIGHTWEIGHT, not a great welterweight. Marquez has never been known for speed or even defense, just toughness and good counterpunching. He showed the former in taking some great shots from Floyd but was unable to show the latter, mainly because of respect for Floyd's power and his defensive skills as well.

    Floyd beat silly another opponent that HE chose as opposed to an opponent the general public wants to see him fight. From the beginning, the general public did not sanction this fight and most asked "why?"

    There is no question that Floyd is great, but unless he steps in the ring with Mosley, Cotto, or Manny, he will forever be doubted (at least in my mind) as to what he can do against perceived great opponents.

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    Mayweather is not number 1 again after beating a great small lightweight at welterweight friend.

    You are probably gonna mention how Pacquiao weighed around the 147 mark for his fights with Marquez but the difference was Marquez was fighting at a weight he was comfortable at, where his speed was at his best, where at welterweight his handspeed was clearly diminished.

    A win over Pacquiao would give him back his spot as number 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyUK View Post
    I don't get what the issue is with Floyd beating Marquez.. yet Pacquiao beating DLH is okay?

    Either way you look at it.. Floyd still has the better resume and at the end of the day is STILL unbeaten, so #1 P4P is the only place you could possibly place him.
    That's very much not true and up for debate. A case could be made for either man.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse James View Post
    I'm not saying weight was the only factor, but it definitely was A factor. Sure, Floyd outboxed him, but when was the last time we have seen Marquez so cautious and gun shy? He was clearly hesitant to let his hands go because he was wary of the bigger man's power. He looked completely intimidated by Floyd's size advantage if you ask me.
    Once Floyd's weight was announced, Marquez immediately turned to his promoters and was like "WTF!?" It may have been in his head a bit but I think it was more of Floyd being much better than he had anticipated. Mayweather has that effect on people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post
    Mayweather is not number 1 again after beating a great small lightweight at welterweight friend.

    You are probably gonna mention how Pacquiao weighed around the 147 mark for his fights with Marquez but the difference was Marquez was fighting at a weight he was comfortable at, where his speed was at his best, where at welterweight his handspeed was clearly diminished.

    A win over Pacquiao would give him back his spot as number 1.
    I agree with this post completely. I said it from the get go that I thought this was a mismatch. Marquez was a great lightweight but I even think lightweight was higher than his best weight.

    If a fight with the P4P #1 guy is possible, then he doesn't lose his spot until he gets beaten. Floyd needs to beat Pac. Beating #2 doesn't make you #1 (Even though he DESTROYED #2).

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    Default Re: Gives me great pleasure to say this** IMO**

    I agree with this post completely. I said it from the get go that I thought this was a mismatch. Marquez was a great lightweight but I even think lightweight was higher than his best weight.

    If a fight with the P4P #1 guy is possible, then he doesn't lose his spot until he gets beaten. Floyd needs to beat Pac. Beating #2 doesn't make you #1 (Even though he DESTROYED #2).
    Exactly.

    I think Marquez could still make 130 if he wanted to.

    He only moved up to 135 to chase a third fight with Pacquiao.
    Last edited by Pugilistic; 09-20-2009 at 03:22 PM.

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    Default Re: Gives me great pleasure to say this** IMO**

    Floyd reenters the mythical p4p list, but beating an guy that was 2 weight classes above his natural fighting weight doesn't make you #1.

    If it was a Shane Mosley or Miguel Cotto he had beaten last night, then yeah the Floyd supporters have an legitimate argument on why Floyd should be #1 again. But beating a great lightweight (and that's not even JMM's best fighting weight) while you're an Welterweight will have many critics rightly or wrongly.

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    Default Re: Gives me great pleasure to say this** IMO**

    This is why they match fighters up and have them actually fight.Then Mayweather will reclaim the pointless p4p #1 thingy.

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