Gives me great pleasure to say this** IMO**

[Diane]

FLOYD MAYWEATHER PFP#1 again baby.. I dont want to hear the size bullshit baby, Pac weighed more for there fights at 130...

Why, because God forbid someone disagree with the all knowing JT?

To me it was the defense and footwork and skill on a level this generation hasnt seen. Marquez was wiped out didnt win a second of a round.

You forgot to mention his elbow, and forearm work.

You're right he has impressive footwork.

[JT Rock]

Whatever to all of you

[Fenster]

Whatever to all of you

I'm with you JT, even though i think he had a serious size advantage, you can't argue with the dominant skills he displayed. Floyd gets his P4P no.1 spot back in my book. I'd pick him over Pac at any weight.

[knodaledge]

Whatever to all of you

I'm with you JT, even though i think he had a serious size advantage, you can't argue with the dominant skills he displayed. Floyd gets his P4P no.1 spot back in my book. I'd pick him over Pac at any weight.

Yup.

#1 p4p. Easy.

And if he isn't, then the p4p thing should be done away with because it no longer holds any credit. Its about who would win if they all fought at a single weight.

How can people say "Yeah, Mayweather would beat Pacquiao/Cotto/Mosley...but he isn't p4p" when that is exactly why he SHOULD be p4p.

Mayweather is just operating at a higher skill level than everyone else in boxing right now.

[Diane]

Whatever to all of you

Ahhh JT, you know that not everyone is going to agree with you, that's what this place is all about.

We all have different things that we look for in a fighter, and therefore, our standards of how to place a fighter is viewed very differently. You see him as number one, some of us don't. Simple as that.

As for me, you know I'm just busting your balls.

[JT Rock]

Whatever to all of you

Ahhh JT, you know that not everyone is going to agree with you, that's what this place is all about.

We all have different things that we look for in a fighter, and therefore, our standards of how to place a fighter is viewed very differently. You see him as number one, some of us don't. Simple as that.

As for me, you know I'm just busting your balls.

I dont have an issue with people being in agreement and I am certainly far from " The all knowing JT" Nor have I ever made such a proclomation. What had me adgitated was the fact mayweather came back from an almost 2 year layoff and wiped out JMM to the point where he landed only 69 punches in a 12 round fight utilizing over 200 landed jabs and defense. I dont think having JMM as a comeback fight warrants all the denigrating talk thats been going around, simple as that.

It cracks me up people will say Floyd only fights small guys, really no one wanted to see the Hatton fight? Bullshit!! that was one of the most talked about supposed dream match for years and then JMM calls Floyd out and he makes that his comeback fight and all of a sudden Floyd picks on smaller guys

Then people say he should fight Shane now and he is a pu$$y if he dosent, meanwhile where was Shane the 2x Floyd called him out? Exactly... But people lauded Shane and Hop for disrespecting Floyd and grandstanding during his interview, saying Shanes a stand up guy and good for him although Mosely was implicated in the Balco scandal for Roids and blood doping for the Oscar fight

[Mr140]

Ok Jt been bitching about the things Shane has done,But from what i saw it was Mayweather that called him over and Mosley asked for his shot is all. Then Bernard comes in and starts shit not Mosley so lay off. I seen the video and thats what i got out of it maybe you saw somthing else. Big deal he wants to get a fight Mosley has just as much chance as anyone. Also didn't Dela Hoya drop those charges your talking about just to ask. It was a good come back fight i while give him that though. But i like to see Mayweather fight a WW if there going to be calling him number one Cotto, Clotty, Mosley, Willaims shit i dont care even Margarito would do.

[Mr140]

JT just to ask what was it that you think Mosley said that was out of line. Maybe i got it wrong but i really cant find anything vid at all. Mayweather has done worse things then that and never heard a fan of his say he was out of line. Tell you the truth if he learned how to talk to the public better, he would get the praise of a Leonard or a Dela Hoya.

[JT Rock]

JT just to ask what was it that you think Mosley said that was out of line. Maybe i got it wrong but i really cant find anything vid at all. Mayweather has done worse things then that and never heard a fan of his say he was out of line. Tell you the truth if he learned how to talk to the public better, he would get the praise of a Leonard or a Dela Hoya.

Apparently Shane was running his mouth or Floyd wouldnt have been pointing at him telling him dont disrespect me. Floyd answered the question. Ellerbe and haymon are the ones to go through. BHop and Shane keep jawing

[Majesty]

Whatever to all of you

Ahhh JT, you know that not everyone is going to agree with you, that's what this place is all about.

We all have different things that we look for in a fighter, and therefore, our standards of how to place a fighter is viewed very differently. You see him as number one, some of us don't. Simple as that.

As for me, you know I'm just busting your balls.

I dont have an issue with people being in agreement and I am certainly far from " The all knowing JT" Nor have I ever made such a proclomation. What had me adgitated was the fact mayweather came back from an almost 2 year layoff and wiped out JMM to the point where he landed only 69 punches in a 12 round fight utilizing over 200 landed jabs and defense. I dont think having JMM as a comeback fight warrants all the denigrating talk thats been going around, simple as that.

It cracks me up people will say Floyd only fights small guys, really no one wanted to see the Hatton fight? Bullshit!! that was one of the most talked about supposed dream match for years and then JMM calls Floyd out and he makes that his comeback fight and all of a sudden Floyd picks on smaller guys

Then people say he should fight Shane now and he is a pu$$y if he dosent, meanwhile where was Shane the 2x Floyd called him out? Exactly... But people lauded Shane and Hop for disrespecting Floyd and grandstanding during his interview, saying Shanes a stand up guy and good for him although Mosely was implicated in the Balco scandal for Roids and blood doping for the Oscar fight

Don't listen when people say Floyd should fight Shane, 4 years ago people were saying Shane Mosley was shot and should retire and wasn't the same fighter. And if Floyd had beat him everyone would have said Shane was past it. But he beats Margarito and all of a sudden Mayweather has to fight him? Yeah but when Mosley was getting beat by Wright everyone was writing him off but he stops Vargas and Margarito and now everyone wants Floyd to fight him lol

[JonesJrMayweather]

Ahhh JT, you know that not everyone is going to agree with you, that's what this place is all about.

We all have different things that we look for in a fighter, and therefore, our standards of how to place a fighter is viewed very differently. You see him as number one, some of us don't. Simple as that.

As for me, you know I'm just busting your balls.

I dont have an issue with people being in agreement and I am certainly far from " The all knowing JT" Nor have I ever made such a proclomation. What had me adgitated was the fact mayweather came back from an almost 2 year layoff and wiped out JMM to the point where he landed only 69 punches in a 12 round fight utilizing over 200 landed jabs and defense. I dont think having JMM as a comeback fight warrants all the denigrating talk thats been going around, simple as that.

It cracks me up people will say Floyd only fights small guys, really no one wanted to see the Hatton fight? Bullshit!! that was one of the most talked about supposed dream match for years and then JMM calls Floyd out and he makes that his comeback fight and all of a sudden Floyd picks on smaller guys

Then people say he should fight Shane now and he is a pu$$y if he dosent, meanwhile where was Shane the 2x Floyd called him out? Exactly... But people lauded Shane and Hop for disrespecting Floyd and grandstanding during his interview, saying Shanes a stand up guy and good for him although Mosely was implicated in the Balco scandal for Roids and blood doping for the Oscar fight

Don't listen when people say Floyd should fight Shane, 4 years ago people were saying Shane Mosley was shot and should retire and wasn't the same fighter. And if Floyd had beat him everyone would have said Shane was past it. But he beats Margarito and all of a sudden Mayweather has to fight him? Yeah but when Mosley was getting beat by Wright everyone was writing him off but he stops Vargas and Margarito and now everyone wants Floyd to fight him lol

Only idiots wrote him off...Don't know when people are going to get it shane was too bulky at 154 that's why he looked as if he was loading up on every punch. At 47 shane is much more fluid. I've been saying this since his losses to winky. And it could be argued that shane beat winky in the rematch. Since shane has been at 147, he beat collazo, margo, and lost a toss fight against cotto. Don't know why people are using his fights against guys that have been up to MW as a measuring stick. The way he looks at 147 is probably why shane is view as high risk/ medium reward in the eyes of the floyd camp... Only a fool would think that 5-6 Manny, would do better than Mosley or Cotto against PBF.

[Rantcatrat]

Whatever to all of you

Ahhh JT, you know that not everyone is going to agree with you, that's what this place is all about.

We all have different things that we look for in a fighter, and therefore, our standards of how to place a fighter is viewed very differently. You see him as number one, some of us don't. Simple as that.

As for me, you know I'm just busting your balls.

I dont have an issue with people being in agreement and I am certainly far from " The all knowing JT" Nor have I ever made such a proclomation. What had me adgitated was the fact mayweather came back from an almost 2 year layoff and wiped out JMM to the point where he landed only 69 punches in a 12 round fight utilizing over 200 landed jabs and defense. I dont think having JMM as a comeback fight warrants all the denigrating talk thats been going around, simple as that.

It cracks me up people will say Floyd only fights small guys, really no one wanted to see the Hatton fight? Bullshit!! that was one of the most talked about supposed dream match for years and then JMM calls Floyd out and he makes that his comeback fight and all of a sudden Floyd picks on smaller guys

Then people say he should fight Shane now and he is a pu$$y if he dosent, meanwhile where was Shane the 2x Floyd called him out? Exactly... But people lauded Shane and Hop for disrespecting Floyd and grandstanding during his interview, saying Shanes a stand up guy and good for him although Mosely was implicated in the Balco scandal for Roids and blood doping for the Oscar fight

Listen JT, Floyd is a dominant fighter. NO debate about that statement. The knock on him is that he has never faced a true, elite welterweight although he has fought at welterweight for the last 4 years. That will always be the knock on him. This debate was happening when Floyd retired two years ago and his domination over Marquez doesn't change anything because Marquez was another smaller fighter he dominated. I won't argue that Floyd may beat all the elite welterweights out there, but he hasn't fought one! Not a single one. And for a while, it was claimed to be the deepest division.

I would rather see Floyd wipe the floor with the elite welterweights than beat up guys who shouldn't fight above 140. Doing so will solidify his greatness.

Floyd will beat him, but at least Pacquiao is willing to be the smaller man and the underdog when going into his fights (he was smaller and the underdog against ODLH and was smaller than Hatton and will be against Cotto). Pacquiao is vulnerable. He takes risks. That is why people like him.

[JT Rock]

Ahhh JT, you know that not everyone is going to agree with you, that's what this place is all about.

We all have different things that we look for in a fighter, and therefore, our standards of how to place a fighter is viewed very differently. You see him as number one, some of us don't. Simple as that.

As for me, you know I'm just busting your balls.

I dont have an issue with people being in agreement and I am certainly far from " The all knowing JT" Nor have I ever made such a proclomation. What had me adgitated was the fact mayweather came back from an almost 2 year layoff and wiped out JMM to the point where he landed only 69 punches in a 12 round fight utilizing over 200 landed jabs and defense. I dont think having JMM as a comeback fight warrants all the denigrating talk thats been going around, simple as that.

It cracks me up people will say Floyd only fights small guys, really no one wanted to see the Hatton fight? Bullshit!! that was one of the most talked about supposed dream match for years and then JMM calls Floyd out and he makes that his comeback fight and all of a sudden Floyd picks on smaller guys

Then people say he should fight Shane now and he is a pu$$y if he dosent, meanwhile where was Shane the 2x Floyd called him out? Exactly... But people lauded Shane and Hop for disrespecting Floyd and grandstanding during his interview, saying Shanes a stand up guy and good for him although Mosely was implicated in the Balco scandal for Roids and blood doping for the Oscar fight

Listen JT, Floyd is a dominant fighter. NO debate about that statement. The knock on him is that he has never faced a true, elite welterweight although he has fought at welterweight for the last 4 years. That will always be the knock on him. This debate was happening when Floyd retired two years ago and his domination over Marquez doesn't change anything because Marquez was another smaller fighter he dominated. I won't argue that Floyd may beat all the elite welterweights out there, but he hasn't fought one! Not a single one. And for a while, it was claimed to be the deepest division.

I would rather see Floyd wipe the floor with the elite welterweights than beat up guys who shouldn't fight above 140. Doing so will solidify his greatness.

Floyd will beat him, but at least Pacquiao is willing to be the smaller man and the underdog when going into his fights (he was smaller and the underdog against ODLH and was smaller than Hatton and will be against Cotto). Pacquiao is vulnerable. He takes risks. That is why people like him.

People will say Baldo was a weak Champ, and I agree 100000% but none the less he wasnt a fringe nabo or any other single title holder. He was considered the lineal Champ. Then he fought Oscar for bocu bucks and Hatton for a bizillion dollars too..

No fighter in the History of the sport would have turned down those 2 paydays against DLH and Hatton, no one!! DLH and Baldo enjoyed big damn advantages size wise. He retires, takes a break then takes a get my feet wet agin fight with JMM. So how does Floyd all of a sudden make a career out of fighting smaller guys?

Floyd should be judged adversly on his next few fights if they are against subpar guys who have no business at the weight, but its ridiculous people would go apeshit for making 2 of the richest fights in this era and then taking on JMM albeit a smaller version just to get his feet wet.

Then you have a guy like Hopkins who's biggest wins were against smaller fighters but yet his ass is kissed royally.

Trinidad
DLH
Wright
Pavlik
Etc.

Then he gets beat by Calzaghe who made a career out of 168.

[JonesJrMayweather]

I dont have an issue with people being in agreement and I am certainly far from " The all knowing JT" Nor have I ever made such a proclomation. What had me adgitated was the fact mayweather came back from an almost 2 year layoff and wiped out JMM to the point where he landed only 69 punches in a 12 round fight utilizing over 200 landed jabs and defense. I dont think having JMM as a comeback fight warrants all the denigrating talk thats been going around, simple as that.

It cracks me up people will say Floyd only fights small guys, really no one wanted to see the Hatton fight? Bullshit!! that was one of the most talked about supposed dream match for years and then JMM calls Floyd out and he makes that his comeback fight and all of a sudden Floyd picks on smaller guys

Then people say he should fight Shane now and he is a pu$$y if he dosent, meanwhile where was Shane the 2x Floyd called him out? Exactly... But people lauded Shane and Hop for disrespecting Floyd and grandstanding during his interview, saying Shanes a stand up guy and good for him although Mosely was implicated in the Balco scandal for Roids and blood doping for the Oscar fight

Listen JT, Floyd is a dominant fighter. NO debate about that statement. The knock on him is that he has never faced a true, elite welterweight although he has fought at welterweight for the last 4 years. That will always be the knock on him. This debate was happening when Floyd retired two years ago and his domination over Marquez doesn't change anything because Marquez was another smaller fighter he dominated. I won't argue that Floyd may beat all the elite welterweights out there, but he hasn't fought one! Not a single one. And for a while, it was claimed to be the deepest division.

I would rather see Floyd wipe the floor with the elite welterweights than beat up guys who shouldn't fight above 140. Doing so will solidify his greatness.

Floyd will beat him, but at least Pacquiao is willing to be the smaller man and the underdog when going into his fights (he was smaller and the underdog against ODLH and was smaller than Hatton and will be against Cotto). Pacquiao is vulnerable. He takes risks. That is why people like him.

People will say Baldo was a weak Champ, and I agree 100000% but none the less he wasnt a fringe nabo or any other single title holder. He was considered the lineal Champ. Then he fought Oscar for bocu bucks and Hatton for a bizillion dollars too..

No fighter in the History of the sport would have turned down those 2 paydays against DLH and Hatton, no one!! DLH and Baldo enjoyed big damn advantages size wise. He retires, takes a break then takes a get my feet wet agin fight with JMM. So how does Floyd all of a sudden make a career out of fighting smaller guys?

Floyd should be judged adversly on his next few fights if they are against subpar guys who have no business at the weight, but its ridiculous people would go apeshit for making 2 of the richest fights in this era and then taking on JMM albeit a smaller version just to get his feet wet.

Then you have a guy like Hopkins who's biggest wins were against smaller fighters but yet his ass is kissed royally.

Trinidad
DLH
Wright
Pavlik
Etc.

Then he gets beat by Calzaghe who made a career out of 168 .

100% agreed...always thought bernard should thank roy jones for his career..because roy left the division. but Bhop did beat Tarver for the LHW crown..

Oh wait Tarver was super weight drained.

[Rantcatrat]

I dont have an issue with people being in agreement and I am certainly far from " The all knowing JT" Nor have I ever made such a proclomation. What had me adgitated was the fact mayweather came back from an almost 2 year layoff and wiped out JMM to the point where he landed only 69 punches in a 12 round fight utilizing over 200 landed jabs and defense. I dont think having JMM as a comeback fight warrants all the denigrating talk thats been going around, simple as that.

It cracks me up people will say Floyd only fights small guys, really no one wanted to see the Hatton fight? Bullshit!! that was one of the most talked about supposed dream match for years and then JMM calls Floyd out and he makes that his comeback fight and all of a sudden Floyd picks on smaller guys

Then people say he should fight Shane now and he is a pu$$y if he dosent, meanwhile where was Shane the 2x Floyd called him out? Exactly... But people lauded Shane and Hop for disrespecting Floyd and grandstanding during his interview, saying Shanes a stand up guy and good for him although Mosely was implicated in the Balco scandal for Roids and blood doping for the Oscar fight

Listen JT, Floyd is a dominant fighter. NO debate about that statement. The knock on him is that he has never faced a true, elite welterweight although he has fought at welterweight for the last 4 years. That will always be the knock on him. This debate was happening when Floyd retired two years ago and his domination over Marquez doesn't change anything because Marquez was another smaller fighter he dominated. I won't argue that Floyd may beat all the elite welterweights out there, but he hasn't fought one! Not a single one. And for a while, it was claimed to be the deepest division.

I would rather see Floyd wipe the floor with the elite welterweights than beat up guys who shouldn't fight above 140. Doing so will solidify his greatness.

Floyd will beat him, but at least Pacquiao is willing to be the smaller man and the underdog when going into his fights (he was smaller and the underdog against ODLH and was smaller than Hatton and will be against Cotto). Pacquiao is vulnerable. He takes risks. That is why people like him.

People will say Baldo was a weak Champ, and I agree 100000% but none the less he wasnt a fringe nabo or any other single title holder. He was considered the lineal Champ. Then he fought Oscar for bocu bucks and Hatton for a bizillion dollars too..

No fighter in the History of the sport would have turned down those 2 paydays against DLH and Hatton, no one!! DLH and Baldo enjoyed big damn advantages size wise. He retires, takes a break then takes a get my feet wet agin fight with JMM. So how does Floyd all of a sudden make a career out of fighting smaller guys?

Floyd should be judged adversly on his next few fights if they are against subpar guys who have no business at the weight, but its ridiculous people would go apeshit for making 2 of the richest fights in this era and then taking on JMM albeit a smaller version just to get his feet wet.

Then you have a guy like Hopkins who's biggest wins were against smaller fighters but yet his ass is kissed royally.

Trinidad
DLH
Wright
Pavlik
Etc.

Then he gets beat by Calzaghe who made a career out of 168.

I understand why (money as you pointed out) Floyd fought Hatton and DLH, but that doesn't detract from the fact that he hasn't faced an elite welterweight and he has campaigned at the weight for five years (Baldomir doesn't count, sorry). And he needed an easy match-up for his comeback fight so he chose Marquez. Fair enough. From this point going forward he needs to fight dominant guys at his weight class and if there aren't any dominant fighters at his weight class, then he should go up in weight, not down in weight, to look for them. That's all.

Hopkins v. PBF is a good question and deserves a whole thread.

One more thing, PBF may have reclaimed his p4p #1 spot from Pac, but Pac easily reclaims it if he beats Cotto (although I don't think he will).