Lets be honest about last night!!!!

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.

[Majesty]

Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.

Floyd's already fought taller opponents with a greater reach advantage.

And he went up to Oscar's weight as his first fight at 154 in Oscars ring, Oscars promotion, Oscars gloves, Oscar's venue and still beat him. yet Pacquiao gets more credit for beating a dead zombie of Oscar De La Hoya then Floyd does for doing it the first time.

By the way Floyd weighed in at 150 for the Oscar De La Hoya fight and Oscar came in at 154, it was the same 4 pound weight advantage and Floyd didnt have an issue nto to mention it was his first fight at 154 but lets just forget all that and complain that Floyd weighed one pound under the "contracted" weight to take more credit from him.

And i hope you're aware that Floyd would have that same height and reach advantage against Marquez even if they fought at 135 and it would be an even bigger speed advantage. Come on guys this is getting silly.

Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.

Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.

Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.

NOW!!!!!!

Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.

Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,

Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.

The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1

neither Mosley Cotto or Pacquiao want a part of Paul Williams and neither of them are trying to fight Berto. So why is Floyd who just came back from retirement while all these people have been active the man that HAS to challenge these people? Where are the "why doesn't Shane fight Paul Williams, or Berto" threads?

[sumkalambay]

tell it like it is.

[littlebif]

Although Floyd was the bigger man i though Marquez might of caused a few early problems in the first couple of rounds.how wrong was i lol.

[TheMacMagician]

Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.

Floyd's already fought taller opponents with a greater reach advantage.

And he went up to Oscar's weight as his first fight at 154 in Oscars ring, Oscars promotion, Oscars gloves, Oscar's venue and still beat him. yet Pacquiao gets more credit for beating a dead zombie of Oscar De La Hoya then Floyd does for doing it the first time.

By the way Floyd weighed in at 150 for the Oscar De La Hoya fight and Oscar came in at 154, it was the same 4 pound weight advantage and Floyd didnt have an issue nto to mention it was his first fight at 154 but lets just forget all that and complain that Floyd weighed one pound under the "contracted" weight to take more credit from him.

And i hope you're aware that Floyd would have that same height and reach advantage against Marquez even if they fought at 135 and it would be an even bigger speed advantage. Come on guys this is getting silly.

Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.

Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.

Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.

NOW!!!!!!

Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.

Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,

Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.

The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1

neither Mosley Cotto or Pacquiao want a part of Paul Williams and neither of them are trying to fight Berto. So why is Floyd who just came back from retirement while all these people have been active the man that HAS to challenge these people? Where are the "why doesn't Shane fight Paul Williams, or Berto" threads?

If we compare the challenges undertaken against individual opponents, i think it'd be clear that Mosleys record needs no flak for choice of opponents. You'll probably find atleast 5 fighters of greater challenge than floyd has on his resume. Foresst, Winky, Cotto and Margarito to name four straight away

[Majesty]

Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.

Floyd's already fought taller opponents with a greater reach advantage.

And he went up to Oscar's weight as his first fight at 154 in Oscars ring, Oscars promotion, Oscars gloves, Oscar's venue and still beat him. yet Pacquiao gets more credit for beating a dead zombie of Oscar De La Hoya then Floyd does for doing it the first time.

By the way Floyd weighed in at 150 for the Oscar De La Hoya fight and Oscar came in at 154, it was the same 4 pound weight advantage and Floyd didnt have an issue nto to mention it was his first fight at 154 but lets just forget all that and complain that Floyd weighed one pound under the "contracted" weight to take more credit from him.

And i hope you're aware that Floyd would have that same height and reach advantage against Marquez even if they fought at 135 and it would be an even bigger speed advantage. Come on guys this is getting silly.

Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.

Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.

Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.

NOW!!!!!!

Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.

Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,

Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.

The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1

neither Mosley Cotto or Pacquiao want a part of Paul Williams and neither of them are trying to fight Berto. So why is Floyd who just came back from retirement while all these people have been active the man that HAS to challenge these people? Where are the "why doesn't Shane fight Paul Williams, or Berto" threads?

If we compare the challenges undertaken against individual opponents, i think it'd be clear that Mosleys record needs no flak for choice of opponents. You'll probably find atleast 5 fighters of greater challenge than floyd has on his resume. Foresst, Winky, Cotto and Margarito to name four straight away

He lost to both Forrest and Winky by the way. So they are counted for him just taking them on but not losing twice to both? Hell Trinidad has Winky on his record, want to give him credit for losing too? Mosley also lost to Cotto, the only people on that 4 Mosley has beaten was Margarito.

now lets look at Floyds

G. Hernandez, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez.

Mayweather beat them all.

In fact putting all those names on Shanes resume. You say, Forrest, Wright, Cotto, De La Hoya. The only person Shane beat was Oscar. And even that was debatable the second time around.

[Kel]

Floyd's already fought taller opponents with a greater reach advantage.

And he went up to Oscar's weight as his first fight at 154 in Oscars ring, Oscars promotion, Oscars gloves, Oscar's venue and still beat him. yet Pacquiao gets more credit for beating a dead zombie of Oscar De La Hoya then Floyd does for doing it the first time.

By the way Floyd weighed in at 150 for the Oscar De La Hoya fight and Oscar came in at 154, it was the same 4 pound weight advantage and Floyd didnt have an issue nto to mention it was his first fight at 154 but lets just forget all that and complain that Floyd weighed one pound under the "contracted" weight to take more credit from him.

And i hope you're aware that Floyd would have that same height and reach advantage against Marquez even if they fought at 135 and it would be an even bigger speed advantage. Come on guys this is getting silly.


neither Mosley Cotto or Pacquiao want a part of Paul Williams and neither of them are trying to fight Berto. So why is Floyd who just came back from retirement while all these people have been active the man that HAS to challenge these people? Where are the "why doesn't Shane fight Paul Williams, or Berto" threads?

If we compare the challenges undertaken against individual opponents, i think it'd be clear that Mosleys record needs no flak for choice of opponents. You'll probably find atleast 5 fighters of greater challenge than floyd has on his resume. Foresst, Winky, Cotto and Margarito to name four straight away

He lost to both Forrest and Winky by the way. So they are counted for him just taking them on but not losing twice to both? Hell Trinidad has Winky on his record, want to give him credit for losing too? Mosley also lost to Cotto, the only people on that 4 Mosley has beaten was Margarito.

now lets look at Floyds

G. Hernandez, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez.

Mayweather beat them all.

In fact putting all those names on Shanes resume. You say, Forrest, Wright, Cotto, De La Hoya. The only person Shane beat was Oscar. And even that was debatable the second time around.

Castillo beat him and the rest were at the end of their careers. The elite stopped Judah, Gatti was battered by DLH before his wars with Ward years before and stopped quicker, Hoya was at the end of his career, Baldomir was a one off lucky 'Rocky story', Hatton was crap at Welter as was Marquez. Shane has lost fights because he has fought the best and most dangerous guys around while they were in their PRIME!

Surely you know your talking rubbish

[Majesty]

If we compare the challenges undertaken against individual opponents, i think it'd be clear that Mosleys record needs no flak for choice of opponents. You'll probably find atleast 5 fighters of greater challenge than floyd has on his resume. Foresst, Winky, Cotto and Margarito to name four straight away

He lost to both Forrest and Winky by the way. So they are counted for him just taking them on but not losing twice to both? Hell Trinidad has Winky on his record, want to give him credit for losing too? Mosley also lost to Cotto, the only people on that 4 Mosley has beaten was Margarito.

now lets look at Floyds

G. Hernandez, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez.

Mayweather beat them all.

In fact putting all those names on Shanes resume. You say, Forrest, Wright, Cotto, De La Hoya. The only person Shane beat was Oscar. And even that was debatable the second time around.

Castillo beat him and the rest were at the end of their careers. The elite stopped Judah, Gatti was battered by DLH before his wars with Ward years before and stopped quicker, Hoya was at the end of his career, Baldomir was a one off lucky 'Rocky story', Hatton was crap at Welter as was Marquez. Shane has lost fights because he has fought the best and most dangerous guys around while they were in their PRIME!

Surely you know your talking rubbish

I can cherry pick too. lets compare to the current p4p number 1.

Pacquiao lost to Marquez twice, even more clear the second time around. When Mayweather fought Castillo the second time around he beat him easily, he didn't struggle worse.

Hatton, De La Hoya, Barerra and Morales were at the end of their careers when Pacquiao fought them and De La Hoya and Hatton are the two fights that vaulted him to the number 1 p4p spot, but when Mayweather does it first and when they are a lot fresher then when they fought Pacquiao then you take credit from him? And no matter what kind of spin you want to put on Shane's losses, he still lost them, if Mayweather were to fight Wright and lose no one would say that it was because he was willing to fight the best they'd use it as an excuse to say he wasn't the best anyway. And Forrest made his name off of destroying Shane Mosley. So who is the one talking rubbish here? Get over the hate

[Kel]

He lost to both Forrest and Winky by the way. So they are counted for him just taking them on but not losing twice to both? Hell Trinidad has Winky on his record, want to give him credit for losing too? Mosley also lost to Cotto, the only people on that 4 Mosley has beaten was Margarito.

now lets look at Floyds

G. Hernandez, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez.

Mayweather beat them all.

In fact putting all those names on Shanes resume. You say, Forrest, Wright, Cotto, De La Hoya. The only person Shane beat was Oscar. And even that was debatable the second time around.

Castillo beat him and the rest were at the end of their careers. The elite stopped Judah, Gatti was battered by DLH before his wars with Ward years before and stopped quicker, Hoya was at the end of his career, Baldomir was a one off lucky 'Rocky story', Hatton was crap at Welter as was Marquez. Shane has lost fights because he has fought the best and most dangerous guys around while they were in their PRIME!

Surely you know your talking rubbish

Pacquiao lost to Marquez twice, even more clear the second time around. When Mayweather fought Castillo the second time around he beat him easily, he didn't struggle worse.

Hatton, De La Hoya, Barerra and Morales were at the end of their careers when Pacquiao fought them and De La Hoya and Hatton are the two fights that vaulted him to the number 1 p4p spot, but when Mayweather does it first and when they are a lot fresher then when they fought Pacquiao then you take credit from him? So who is the one talking rubbish here?

I was talking about Floyd not Pac. Which bits confusing you? I reply to your post regarding Floyd and Shane and you start talking about Pacman.

I give up man you avoid the issue all the time so to hell with it lol

[sumkalambay]

If we compare the challenges undertaken against individual opponents, i think it'd be clear that Mosleys record needs no flak for choice of opponents. You'll probably find atleast 5 fighters of greater challenge than floyd has on his resume. Foresst, Winky, Cotto and Margarito to name four straight away

He lost to both Forrest and Winky by the way. So they are counted for him just taking them on but not losing twice to both? Hell Trinidad has Winky on his record, want to give him credit for losing too? Mosley also lost to Cotto, the only people on that 4 Mosley has beaten was Margarito.

now lets look at Floyds

G. Hernandez, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez.

Mayweather beat them all.

In fact putting all those names on Shanes resume. You say, Forrest, Wright, Cotto, De La Hoya. The only person Shane beat was Oscar. And even that was debatable the second time around.

Castillo beat him and the rest were at the end of their careers. The elite stopped Judah, Gatti was battered by DLH before his wars with Ward years before and stopped quicker, Hoya was at the end of his career, Baldomir was a one off lucky 'Rocky story', Hatton was crap at Welter as was Marquez. Shane has lost fights because he has fought the best and most dangerous guys around while they were in their PRIME!

Surely you know your talking rubbish

like it or not, PBF does have a very good resume. corrales, genero hernandez, castillo, demarcus corley.

plus, he gave boxing lessons after boxing lessons.

[Rantcatrat]

Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.

Floyd's already fought taller opponents with a greater reach advantage.

And he went up to Oscar's weight as his first fight at 154 in Oscars ring, Oscars promotion, Oscars gloves, Oscar's venue and still beat him. yet Pacquiao gets more credit for beating a dead zombie of Oscar De La Hoya then Floyd does for doing it the first time.

By the way Floyd weighed in at 150 for the Oscar De La Hoya fight and Oscar came in at 154, it was the same 4 pound weight advantage and Floyd didnt have an issue nto to mention it was his first fight at 154 but lets just forget all that and complain that Floyd weighed one pound under the "contracted" weight to take more credit from him.

And i hope you're aware that Floyd would have that same height and reach advantage against Marquez even if they fought at 135 and it would be an even bigger speed advantage. Come on guys this is getting silly.

Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.

Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.

Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.

NOW!!!!!!

Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.

Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,

Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.

The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1

neither Mosley Cotto or Pacquiao want a part of Paul Williams and neither of them are trying to fight Berto. So why is Floyd who just came back from retirement while all these people have been active the man that HAS to challenge these people? Where are the "why doesn't Shane fight Paul Williams, or Berto" threads?

You seem to be questioning why Floyd receives more grief than Cotto or Mosley. (1) PBF is #1 p4p in the sport and making more money than anyone else doing it; when you are #1 at anything you are highly scrutinized. Take Pacquiao for example. He fought at 112 or something to start his career and recently beat a future HOF at 147. But, many, many boxing fans downplay his victory because DLH was weight drained. Still, people easily forget, that the odds on that fight were close to 3-1 favoring DLH. As an aside, I, for one, thought DLH was a punk for fighting a smaller man. (2) Floyd hasn't fought one top welterweight in his five years campaigning at that weight. His reason is that the money is better fighting smaller fighters. Cotto, Mosley, Clottey, Margarito, Pwill, and Berto. Those are the top welterweights. During the same period of time, Cotto, Mosley, Clottey, Margarito, Williams, and Clottey have mixed up with eachother in the some way or the other. Margarito has fought Shane, Cotto, and Williams. Cotto has fought Shane, Clottey, and Margarito. Shane has fought Cotto and Margarito. etc.

It's not that Marquez was a bad choice for a come back fight. I understand the reasons behind choosing him. But, anyone who thought this fight would be remotely close was delusional (I, for one, picked Floyd by mid-round stoppage and was dissappointed with the ud). Marquez had NO chance coming into this fight. Floyd could have picked any number of a handful of welterweights for his comeback fight and he would have been favored in each match, but he picked a natural 130 pound fighter. A great smaller man, but still a natural junior lightweight (It was funny watching the undercard and knowing that not too long ago, Chris John beat Marquez at featherweight). And yes, it was the size that made the difference, not Floyd's size, but Marquez's size. As I've said in other posts, Marquez couldn't get anywhere near close enough to Floyd to land a punch and that is because Marquez is too small.

In the end, if he wasn't making the most money in the sport and the p4p best in the world and if he dominated his weight division, he wouldn't receive any grief. None at all. So, Floyd, clean out the division and prove the neighsayers wrong.

Other than 36 year old Oscar, when has Floyd fought a bigger man? I'm pretty sure it hasn't happened in the last five years.

[TheMacMagician]

Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.

Floyd's already fought taller opponents with a greater reach advantage.

And he went up to Oscar's weight as his first fight at 154 in Oscars ring, Oscars promotion, Oscars gloves, Oscar's venue and still beat him. yet Pacquiao gets more credit for beating a dead zombie of Oscar De La Hoya then Floyd does for doing it the first time.

By the way Floyd weighed in at 150 for the Oscar De La Hoya fight and Oscar came in at 154, it was the same 4 pound weight advantage and Floyd didnt have an issue nto to mention it was his first fight at 154 but lets just forget all that and complain that Floyd weighed one pound under the "contracted" weight to take more credit from him.

And i hope you're aware that Floyd would have that same height and reach advantage against Marquez even if they fought at 135 and it would be an even bigger speed advantage. Come on guys this is getting silly.

Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.

Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.

Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.

NOW!!!!!!

Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.

Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,

Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.

The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1

neither Mosley Cotto or Pacquiao want a part of Paul Williams and neither of them are trying to fight Berto. So why is Floyd who just came back from retirement while all these people have been active the man that HAS to challenge these people? Where are the "why doesn't Shane fight Paul Williams, or Berto" threads?

You seem to be questioning why Floyd receives more grief than Cotto or Mosley. (1) PBF is #1 p4p in the sport and making more money than anyone else doing it; when you are #1 at anything you are highly scrutinized. Take Pacquiao for example. He fought at 112 or something to start his career and recently beat a future HOF at 147. But, many, many boxing fans downplay his victory because DLH was weight drained. Still, people easily forget, that the odds on that fight were close to 3-1 favoring DLH. As an aside, I, for one, thought DLH was a punk for fighting a smaller man. (2) Floyd hasn't fought one top welterweight in his five years campaigning at that weight. His reason is that the money is better fighting smaller fighters. Cotto, Mosley, Clottey, Margarito, Pwill, and Berto. Those are the top welterweights. During the same period of time, Cotto, Mosley, Clottey, Margarito, Williams, and Clottey have mixed up with eachother in the some way or the other. Margarito has fought Shane, Cotto, and Williams. Cotto has fought Shane, Clottey, and Margarito. Shane has fought Cotto and Margarito. etc.

It's not that Marquez was a bad choice for a come back fight. I understand the reasons behind choosing him. But, anyone who thought this fight would be remotely close was delusional (I, for one, picked Floyd by mid-round stoppage and was dissappointed with the ud). Marquez had NO chance coming into this fight. Floyd could have picked any number of a handful of welterweights for his comeback fight and he would have been favored in each match, but he picked a natural 130 pound fighter. A great smaller man, but still a natural junior lightweight (It was funny watching the undercard and knowing that not too long ago, Chris John beat Marquez at featherweight). And yes, it was the size that made the difference, not Floyd's size, but Marquez's size. As I've said in other posts, Marquez couldn't get anywhere near close enough to Floyd to land a punch and that is because Marquez is too small.

In the end, if he wasn't making the most money in the sport and the p4p best in the world and if he dominated his weight division, he wouldn't receive any grief. None at all. So, Floyd, clean out the division and prove the neighsayers wrong.

Other than 36 year old Oscar, when has Floyd fought a bigger man? I'm pretty sure it hasn't happened in the last five years.

Had to dip out of the debate there, was getting way to deep on it.

Anyways, your right on the mark there ran

[Majesty]

Let mayweather try to move up 2 weight classes for his body size against a bigger, stonger, faster guy with a huge reach advantage and great defence and see how well he does.

Floyd's already fought taller opponents with a greater reach advantage.

And he went up to Oscar's weight as his first fight at 154 in Oscars ring, Oscars promotion, Oscars gloves, Oscar's venue and still beat him. yet Pacquiao gets more credit for beating a dead zombie of Oscar De La Hoya then Floyd does for doing it the first time.

By the way Floyd weighed in at 150 for the Oscar De La Hoya fight and Oscar came in at 154, it was the same 4 pound weight advantage and Floyd didnt have an issue nto to mention it was his first fight at 154 but lets just forget all that and complain that Floyd weighed one pound under the "contracted" weight to take more credit from him.

And i hope you're aware that Floyd would have that same height and reach advantage against Marquez even if they fought at 135 and it would be an even bigger speed advantage. Come on guys this is getting silly.

Great win for Floyd, can't take it away from him he came in shape did his job and looked great doing it.

Marquez from the first bell looked like crap,, an old fighter who should hang them up, I said it after the Diaz fight and say it again, you can see the reflexes are not there like they used to be and he looked slow.

Again can not take anything away from Floyd because he did his job and came in shape looked great doing it.

NOW!!!!!!

Before anyone starts calling him P4P #1 again lets get to some real business, lets either fight the Elite at 154 (Paul Williams) or get in with the real men at 147.

Lets stop with the bullshit "They are not big enough draws for me to fight" and get in with Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao,

Hell even Spinks at 154, Dzindziruk would be a step at showing something. I would pick Floyd to win those but at least show the balls to make it clear you want the best.

The win over Marquez was a good win but in no way a reason to stand in line to give Floyd honorary handjobs, and in no way to put him in front of everyone and make him P4P#1

neither Mosley Cotto or Pacquiao want a part of Paul Williams and neither of them are trying to fight Berto. So why is Floyd who just came back from retirement while all these people have been active the man that HAS to challenge these people? Where are the "why doesn't Shane fight Paul Williams, or Berto" threads?

You seem to be questioning why Floyd receives more grief than Cotto or Mosley. (1) PBF is #1 p4p in the sport and making more money than anyone else doing it; when you are #1 at anything you are highly scrutinized. Take Pacquiao for example. He fought at 112 or something to start his career and recently beat a future HOF at 147. But, many, many boxing fans downplay his victory because DLH was weight drained. Still, people easily forget, that the odds on that fight were close to 3-1 favoring DLH. As an aside, I, for one, thought DLH was a punk for fighting a smaller man. (2) Floyd hasn't fought one top welterweight in his five years campaigning at that weight. His reason is that the money is better fighting smaller fighters. Cotto, Mosley, Clottey, Margarito, Pwill, and Berto. Those are the top welterweights. During the same period of time, Cotto, Mosley, Clottey, Margarito, Williams, and Clottey have mixed up with eachother in the some way or the other. Margarito has fought Shane, Cotto, and Williams. Cotto has fought Shane, Clottey, and Margarito. Shane has fought Cotto and Margarito. etc.

It's not that Marquez was a bad choice for a come back fight. I understand the reasons behind choosing him. But, anyone who thought this fight would be remotely close was delusional (I, for one, picked Floyd by mid-round stoppage and was dissappointed with the ud). Marquez had NO chance coming into this fight. Floyd could have picked any number of a handful of welterweights for his comeback fight and he would have been favored in each match, but he picked a natural 130 pound fighter. A great smaller man, but still a natural junior lightweight (It was funny watching the undercard and knowing that not too long ago, Chris John beat Marquez at featherweight). And yes, it was the size that made the difference, not Floyd's size, but Marquez's size. As I've said in other posts, Marquez couldn't get anywhere near close enough to Floyd to land a punch and that is because Marquez is too small.

In the end, if he wasn't making the most money in the sport and the p4p best in the world and if he dominated his weight division, he wouldn't receive any grief. None at all. So, Floyd, clean out the division and prove the neighsayers wrong.

Other than 36 year old Oscar, when has Floyd fought a bigger man? I'm pretty sure it hasn't happened in the last five years.

You know, I would love to tell me how Shane and Cotto are cleaning out the 147 pound division to not get any hate.

Cotto is fighting Pacquiao, why isn't he fighting Berto or Williams? Shane WAS gonna fight Clottey but now that the thought of Mayweather comes up he now wants to fight him. Get it in your head that Floyd isn't the only guy only chasing big money fights and that the rest of them don't give a damn about "cleaning out the division" either. The difference is only one of them was the undisputed champ of the entire division and that was Mayweather whether you like it or not. But neither Cotto, nor Mosley are trying to clean out 147 pounds, they are as just as much looking for big money fights only as Mayweather. So tell me why mayweather is the only one deserving of hate?

Why is it that you refuse to accept anything bad aboput Floyd? You know what with the resume of Oscar he should be allowed 1 or 2 gimme guys...Oscar did not do it until the end of his career waaay past his best...

DLH made himself a legend by fighting elite fighters in their primes wins lose or draw he went after them never looking for the easy way out.....

When Floyd or any other fighter for that matter does what Oscar did during his career then use Oscar as an example but until then DLH can not be used as an example of a guy who has looked for easy bouts against smaller men...Thats why I responded the way I did and I am not a DLH fan

Why is it that you refuse to accept anything good about Floyd?

And by the way Floyd has a great resume of Oscars as well. But Oscar deserves gimmie fights? And you say he didn't do little nowhere fights until the end of his career? You need a reality check


After he lost to Mosley lets look at his fights and highlight the gimmies

Arturo Gatti, at 147, did you complain when Oscar took him apart? No, people just use it to say Oscar already beat Gatti before Mayweather did and no one says that Gatti was way out of his depth and weight class there now do they?

Javier Castiello who you can classify as a gimmie champ at 154 who the heck was he?

Then he fought Vargas which he should and did get full credit for. But that's hardly cleaning out a division isn't it?

After Vargas he took on Yuri Boy Campas.. yeah I don't need to say more.

After that he fought Shane Mosley who had been inactive at a weight class that he had 3 rounds of experience in against Raul Marquez before headbutts ended the fight, it was a mega fight where he fought Shane out of Shane's obvious weight class and he looked like crap against Marquez too even before the headbutts and was coming off two straight losses against vernon forrest and was unvictorious in a year. And he lost though controversially.

After this he fought Felix Sturm in what was expected to be a gimmie fight to set up a mega fight with Hopkins, got the tar beat out of him and won a decision so that the Hopkins fight would be made. Then got beat by Hopkins. Who he then forms a partnership with.

After this he takes 2 years off and comes back and fights Ricardo Mayorga out of Mayorga's own weight class.. Mayorga who looked like absolute crap at 154 and as bad as Hatton could be classified to look against Collazo and was nowhere on anyones pound for pound lists. Oscar beats him.

Then he has the mega fight with Mayweather and then gets demolished by Pacquiao.

So from 2000 to 2009 the ONLY people Oscar fought in a 9 year span covering some of his prime years were, Vargas, Hopkins and Floyd.

So don't try to BS that Oscar waited till the end of his career to cherry pick big fights. he did it for 9 straight years.

Know what Floyd did in those 9 years

he cleaned out 130 pounds

he cleaned out 135 pounds

he went to 140 and beat Gatti for his title and people complained he didn't fight Hatton because Hatton beat Tszyu and even went as far as to say he ducked him.

He went up to 147 and beat Judah, he then beat the undisputed 147 pound champ whether you like it or not in Baldomir and was the Undisputed Champ at 147 and people said oscar De La Hoya's name and Floyd moved up to Oscar's Weight and beat him despite being outweighed and despite everything in Oscar's favor.

Then Floyd moves back down and fights and knocks out Hatton and retires.

In that 9 year span from 2000-2009 he fought

Corrales, Hernandez, Chavez, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, baldomir, Oscar De La Hoya and hatton. So you tell me who was the one wasting your time for 9 straight years because it sure as hell wasn't mayweather.

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like i said, pac's gonna whoop cotto.

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Come on now Majesty surely you're not gonna bag Cotto and Mosley's WW records now are you?

Cotto-
Josh Clottey - Ring ranked WW # 4 Currently
Zab Judah - Ring Ranked WW # 6 when they fought
Antonio Margarito - Ring Ranked WW # 3 (currently # 5) -lost but see Plastergate.
Shane Mosley - Ring Ranked WW # 1 Currently
Carlos Quintana - Ring Ranked WW # 7 Currently, only guy to beat Williams, and now campaigning at 154.
Jennings, Urkal and Gomez were not top fights, but fillers or course.

Mosley- Mind you this is his second go around at 147
Antonio Margarito - Ring Ranked WW # 5 currently (considered the number 1 WW after Cotto victory)
Miguel Cotto - Ring Ranked WW # 3 Currently
Luis Collazo - Ring Ranked WW # 8 Currently

Mayweather-
Carlos Baldomir - Ring WW Champ
Zab Judah - Ring Ranked #5 WW when they fought (currently unranked)
Mitchell, Hatton, Marquez - unranked at WW currently or at the time PBF fought them.

I'm not saying Floyd has a bad record, but Mosley and Cotto have much better cases to be made for their WW rank fighting WW sized opponents.