Give the Klitschko's their just due

[HattonTheHammer]

[quote=Dark Lord Al;791892]

Everybody talks about fighters from the past , like foreman , frazier etc but i fail to see how Vitali couldn't have competed with these guys , not to mention he is a monster size wise.

I personally think we dismiss modern HW fighters all to easily , fact is if sprinters and pole vaulters , hammer throwers , weight lifters are all getting faster and stronger respectively. Then how are this new breed of HW worse than the fighters before ?

PS/ there will always be the odd special fighter , but in general , we think Ken Norton for example is better than a David Tua ?

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Norton has a claim to having beaten the 2 greatest HWs of all time. Lots of 'ifs and buts', but he certainly beat Ali once , maybe even 3 times and some (not me) think he beat Holmes. Could Tua have don ethat?

The point im making is fighters at HW are getting to huge sizes and some are also great athletes , improving to being more than just a huge size.
Styles do make fights also , in my opinion Tua would have KOED the dodgy chinned Norton early , does that Make Tua better than Ali ?

PS. Both Norton and Tua were just examples from past and present.

Im sorry but how the hell does anyone seriously believe tua beats norton!!

I fully agree that in certain instances current fighters arent given the same credit as their predeccesors. But Tua beating the great norton??

never in a million years!!

[Beanflicker]

Im sorry but how the hell does anyone seriously believe tua beats norton!!

I fully agree that in certain instances current fighters arent given the same credit as their predeccesors. But Tua beating the great norton??

never in a million years!!

I think it comes down to Norton's track record. Sure he did great against boxers like Holmes and Ali, but it seemed like he got sparked out by all the KO artists he was put up against. Foreman and Shavers put him out with no trouble, and Cooney damn near killed him.

[El Kabong]

Norton couldn't handle the "go for broke" power punchers...Tua would eat him alive....first figuratively and then litterally

[Beanflicker]

Norton couldn't handle the "go for broke" power punchers...Tua would eat him alive....first figuratively and then litterally

Agreed. Norton's crab style of blocking is not suited to stand up to Tua's power. David has scary power

[Hunter]

I would agree that the Klitschkos would be competitive in any era. They are supremely conditioned and can punch.......

I dont have a problem with their style and enjoy watching them both. At least when the Klitschkos fight they fight the top guys in the division, they inflict massive punishment on their opponents and most of the time get them out of there........

People will speak more highly of them when they retire....that is just the nature of people......

[sumkalambay]

heavyweights are generally fucking overrated.

the only technicians i ever saw in that division was Riddick Bowe, Mike Tyson and Buster Douglas.

Lennox Lewis gets massively overrated. so does Wlad. just two really basic fighters who gets by with their gigantic stature.

I agree Vitali's a great fighter though. just for sheer awkwardness and durability. that's it. there are no outstanding "technical skills" to speak of this man. some fans need to watch more than the HW division which has always been mediocre.

[DaxxKahn]

heavyweights are generally fucking overrated.

the only technicians i ever saw in that division was Riddick Bowe, Mike Tyson and Buster Douglas.

Lennox Lewis gets massively overrated. so does Wlad. just two really basic fighters who gets by with their gigantic stature.

I agree Vitali's a great fighter though. just for sheer awkwardness and durability. that's it. there are no outstanding "technical skills" to speak of this man. some fans need to watch more than the HW division which has always been mediocre.

Those are fighters you call technicians?

This is not even worth debating after thinking about it

[Taeth]

heavyweights are generally fucking overrated.

the only technicians i ever saw in that division was Riddick Bowe, Mike Tyson and Buster Douglas.

Lennox Lewis gets massively overrated. so does Wlad. just two really basic fighters who gets by with their gigantic stature.

I agree Vitali's a great fighter though. just for sheer awkwardness and durability. that's it. there are no outstanding "technical skills" to speak of this man. some fans need to watch more than the HW division which has always been mediocre.

I don't see how you can say Wlad and Lennox Lewis aren't great tacticians. Lennox was a terrific counter puncher, who had an amazing arsenal and leverage for a guy his size. He was a better tactician than Bowe, and along with his power and athleticism led to Bowe not wanting any part of him.

Wladimir does get by on the best jab I've seen maybe in any weight class, but its hard to dominate opponents with basically one punch regardless of how big you are, There are a lot of heavywieghts bigger than Wladimir, but I don't think any heavyweight has ever used their size more effectively than him, but part of that isn't just the size, Wladimir is often bigger, stronger, and faster than his opponents, but he throws punches properly, and defensively he has become very good at not getting hit, he is cheap defensively, but it works very effectively, he is too quick and tall on the outside and he holds on the inside.

I know people are going to get mad because Larry Holmes, Ali, Lennox Lewis, Sonny Liston, Joe Louis all had truly terrific jabs, but I haven't seen anyone have both the speed to land the jab at will and more importantly the power to truly use it to dictate range, confuse an opponent, and truly take the opponent heart away from the fight.

[El Kabong]

heavyweights are generally fucking overrated.

the only technicians i ever saw in that division was Riddick Bowe, Mike Tyson and Buster Douglas.

Lennox Lewis gets massively overrated. so does Wlad. just two really basic fighters who gets by with their gigantic stature.

I agree Vitali's a great fighter though. just for sheer awkwardness and durability. that's it. there are no outstanding "technical skills" to speak of this man. some fans need to watch more than the HW division which has always been mediocre.

Well you've just outed yourself as being completely ignorant about heavyweights.

If you don't like the heavyweights then why post in a thread about them?

[Dark Lord Al]

Im sorry but how the hell does anyone seriously believe tua beats norton!!

I fully agree that in certain instances current fighters arent given the same credit as their predeccesors. But Tua beating the great norton??

never in a million years!!

I think it comes down to Norton's track record. Sure he did great against boxers like Holmes and Ali, but it seemed like he got sparked out by all the KO artists he was put up against. Foreman and Shavers put him out with no trouble, and Cooney damn near killed him.

This is exactly my point , also i do not consider Norton a "GREAT".