Give the Klitschko's their just due

[Beanflicker]

Im sorry but how the hell does anyone seriously believe tua beats norton!!

I fully agree that in certain instances current fighters arent given the same credit as their predeccesors. But Tua beating the great norton??

never in a million years!!

I think it comes down to Norton's track record. Sure he did great against boxers like Holmes and Ali, but it seemed like he got sparked out by all the KO artists he was put up against. Foreman and Shavers put him out with no trouble, and Cooney damn near killed him.

[El Kabong]

Norton couldn't handle the "go for broke" power punchers...Tua would eat him alive....first figuratively and then litterally

[Beanflicker]

Norton couldn't handle the "go for broke" power punchers...Tua would eat him alive....first figuratively and then litterally

Agreed. Norton's crab style of blocking is not suited to stand up to Tua's power. David has scary power

[Hunter]

I would agree that the Klitschkos would be competitive in any era. They are supremely conditioned and can punch.......

I dont have a problem with their style and enjoy watching them both. At least when the Klitschkos fight they fight the top guys in the division, they inflict massive punishment on their opponents and most of the time get them out of there........

People will speak more highly of them when they retire....that is just the nature of people......

[sumkalambay]

heavyweights are generally fucking overrated.

the only technicians i ever saw in that division was Riddick Bowe, Mike Tyson and Buster Douglas.

Lennox Lewis gets massively overrated. so does Wlad. just two really basic fighters who gets by with their gigantic stature.

I agree Vitali's a great fighter though. just for sheer awkwardness and durability. that's it. there are no outstanding "technical skills" to speak of this man. some fans need to watch more than the HW division which has always been mediocre.

[DaxxKahn]

heavyweights are generally fucking overrated.

the only technicians i ever saw in that division was Riddick Bowe, Mike Tyson and Buster Douglas.

Lennox Lewis gets massively overrated. so does Wlad. just two really basic fighters who gets by with their gigantic stature.

I agree Vitali's a great fighter though. just for sheer awkwardness and durability. that's it. there are no outstanding "technical skills" to speak of this man. some fans need to watch more than the HW division which has always been mediocre.

Those are fighters you call technicians?

This is not even worth debating after thinking about it

[sumkalambay]

yeah. wanna know what distinguishes them? the ability to fight inside. to pivot, slip and duck shots, counterpunch, deliver crisp combinations. Bowe resembled a young Toney at times.

[Taeth]

heavyweights are generally fucking overrated.

the only technicians i ever saw in that division was Riddick Bowe, Mike Tyson and Buster Douglas.

Lennox Lewis gets massively overrated. so does Wlad. just two really basic fighters who gets by with their gigantic stature.

I agree Vitali's a great fighter though. just for sheer awkwardness and durability. that's it. there are no outstanding "technical skills" to speak of this man. some fans need to watch more than the HW division which has always been mediocre.

I don't see how you can say Wlad and Lennox Lewis aren't great tacticians. Lennox was a terrific counter puncher, who had an amazing arsenal and leverage for a guy his size. He was a better tactician than Bowe, and along with his power and athleticism led to Bowe not wanting any part of him.

Wladimir does get by on the best jab I've seen maybe in any weight class, but its hard to dominate opponents with basically one punch regardless of how big you are, There are a lot of heavywieghts bigger than Wladimir, but I don't think any heavyweight has ever used their size more effectively than him, but part of that isn't just the size, Wladimir is often bigger, stronger, and faster than his opponents, but he throws punches properly, and defensively he has become very good at not getting hit, he is cheap defensively, but it works very effectively, he is too quick and tall on the outside and he holds on the inside.

I know people are going to get mad because Larry Holmes, Ali, Lennox Lewis, Sonny Liston, Joe Louis all had truly terrific jabs, but I haven't seen anyone have both the speed to land the jab at will and more importantly the power to truly use it to dictate range, confuse an opponent, and truly take the opponent heart away from the fight.

[El Kabong]

heavyweights are generally fucking overrated.

the only technicians i ever saw in that division was Riddick Bowe, Mike Tyson and Buster Douglas.

Lennox Lewis gets massively overrated. so does Wlad. just two really basic fighters who gets by with their gigantic stature.

I agree Vitali's a great fighter though. just for sheer awkwardness and durability. that's it. there are no outstanding "technical skills" to speak of this man. some fans need to watch more than the HW division which has always been mediocre.

Well you've just outed yourself as being completely ignorant about heavyweights.

If you don't like the heavyweights then why post in a thread about them?

[Rantcatrat]

They fight in a manner which makes their abilities have more effect while covering up their flaws. I've always thought they had the potential to be dominant champions, it's nice to see them acheive it.

Right and that is what great fighters do. I completely agree though that they would be dominant in any era of boxing. Not necessarily the best in any era, but dominant.

yeah. wanna know what distinguishes them? the ability to fight inside. to pivot, slip and duck shots, counterpunch, deliver crisp combinations. Bowe resembled a young Toney at times.

Watch young Lewis against Morrison among others, he was great at fighting at all distances. Lennox always was a great counter puncher, I don't think there is any one example better than the punch he landed on Rahman in their rematch, and a right hand he landed on Tyson near the end. Young Wladimir alon with Lennox both threw impressive combinations. I think Steward made them safer fighters, and the offensive flare as a result had to be extinguished, but its like saying that Mayweather isn't a great tactician because he doesn't throw combinations very often. Using your height is a skill in and of itself, and Bowe would have had an easier time with Holyfield IMO if he was more of a tactician.

Good Post, Taeth. Lennox was the man.

[sumkalambay]

heavyweights are generally fucking overrated.

the only technicians i ever saw in that division was Riddick Bowe, Mike Tyson and Buster Douglas.

Lennox Lewis gets massively overrated. so does Wlad. just two really basic fighters who gets by with their gigantic stature.

I agree Vitali's a great fighter though. just for sheer awkwardness and durability. that's it. there are no outstanding "technical skills" to speak of this man. some fans need to watch more than the HW division which has always been mediocre.

Well you've just outed yourself as being completely ignorant about heavyweights.

If you don't like the heavyweights then why post in a thread about them?

alright. your Bowe collection no doubt consists of his two fights with Golota.

prime riddick bowe would've given a prime lennox lewis a boxing lesson.

Bowe didn't train under Futch without being taught advanced skills. Futch's said he saw in Bowe one of the greatest talents the HW division has ever seen. that's coming from the greatest boxing mind of all time. i'll take his word.

[Dark Lord Al]

Im sorry but how the hell does anyone seriously believe tua beats norton!!

I fully agree that in certain instances current fighters arent given the same credit as their predeccesors. But Tua beating the great norton??

never in a million years!!

I think it comes down to Norton's track record. Sure he did great against boxers like Holmes and Ali, but it seemed like he got sparked out by all the KO artists he was put up against. Foreman and Shavers put him out with no trouble, and Cooney damn near killed him.

This is exactly my point , also i do not consider Norton a "GREAT".