Does anyone else think Jermain Taylor might just upset Abraham?

[skel1983]

I totally disagree here; Froch ain'T superior to Taylor, not at all; Taylor was toying him till he ran out of gas (again), same for the first bout with Pavlik, he was just beating him slowly with more speed and accuracy but he ran out of gaz. Abraham has a killer conditioning, has strength in the same range as Pavlik and a VERY durable chin, honestly, I don't give much chances to Taylor into that one, would he re-fight Froch with a better conditioning, he would probably beat him, idem for Pavlik, but Abraham, one of the very best in the division, I dare to say no.

If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch

thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.

kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title

Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that

Sorry mate but Taylor wasnt leading on all cards these were the cards going into the last:

judge: Nobuaki Uratani 102-106 | judge: Omar Mintun 102-106 | judge: Jack Woodburn 106-102

So judge Woodburn has Froch winning 106102, if the fight finished I had it a draw with a 10-8 round for Froch, or if Froch had Taylor down again if it didnt stop I had it Froch winning by a point, the fight was very close.

[JazMerkin]

If you had the fight live on showtime and just listened to the commentary alone you would of believed taylor destroyed froch

thankfully we all know better and knew that the fight was pretty even going into that last round. Froch just didnt turn up for the 1st half of the fight but it was clear for all to see that once he established himself he was the dominant fighter and the only guy likely to KO his man.

kessler and froch are the standout talents in this comp and i fully expect it to be the 2 battling it out at the end for the title

Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that

Sorry mate but Taylor wasnt leading on all cards these were the cards going into the last:

judge: Nobuaki Uratani 102-106 | judge: Omar Mintun 102-106 | judge: Jack Woodburn 106-102

So judge Woodburn has Froch winning 106102, if the fight finished I had it a draw with a 10-8 round for Froch, or if Froch had Taylor down again if it didnt stop I had it Froch winning by a point, the fight was very close.

The thing is Woodburn's card was used as example in virtually every boxing publication of what bad scoring. Even Boxing Monthly which loves Froch up admitted it was an aberration. I had Taylor up 8 rounds to 3 going into the final round. If he'd taken a knee after the 1st KD, he'd still have won for me & more importantly 2 of the judges. Froch did start to come into it late.

The point I think Nameless was making is HTH's point that Abraham isn't on Froch's level is kinda laughable, as is saying that Froch was easily winning the fight. Abraham is as good as Froch if not better. Although this tournament will give us our answer.

I, however, don't see that happening and this will be another instance of Abraham beating a previous victim of Pavlik.

The only common opponent they currently share is Edison Miranda. Abraham beat him first.

[killersheep]

Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that

Sorry mate but Taylor wasnt leading on all cards these were the cards going into the last:

judge: Nobuaki Uratani 102-106 | judge: Omar Mintun 102-106 | judge: Jack Woodburn 106-102

So judge Woodburn has Froch winning 106102, if the fight finished I had it a draw with a 10-8 round for Froch, or if Froch had Taylor down again if it didnt stop I had it Froch winning by a point, the fight was very close.

The thing is Woodburn's card was used as example in virtually every boxing publication of what bad scoring. Even Boxing Monthly which loves Froch up admitted it was an aberration. I had Taylor up 8 rounds to 3 going into the final round. If he'd taken a knee after the 1st KD, he'd still have won for me & more importantly 2 of the judges. Froch did start to come into it late.

The point I think Nameless was making is HTH's point that Abraham isn't on Froch's level is kinda laughable, as is saying that Froch was easily winning the fight. Abraham is as good as Froch if not better. Although this tournament will give us our answer.

I, however, don't see that happening and this will be another instance of Abraham beating a previous victim of Pavlik.

The only common opponent they currently share is Edison Miranda. Abraham beat him first.

With a jaw that was broken so nasty it made Malignaggi's face against Cotto look like a slight bruise.

[Rantcatrat]

Taylor was leading on all cards, Froch went down... how can you say that you saw Froch ahead? I saw the match with east european language (I would say polish or Tchek but I am not certain) so I didn'T had Showtime to convince me and I clearly saw Taylor having the better for most part of the fight and convincingly and not being especially a fan of neither, I can't be biased based on that

Sorry mate but Taylor wasnt leading on all cards these were the cards going into the last:

judge: Nobuaki Uratani 102-106 | judge: Omar Mintun 102-106 | judge: Jack Woodburn 106-102

So judge Woodburn has Froch winning 106102, if the fight finished I had it a draw with a 10-8 round for Froch, or if Froch had Taylor down again if it didnt stop I had it Froch winning by a point, the fight was very close.

The thing is Woodburn's card was used as example in virtually every boxing publication of what bad scoring. Even Boxing Monthly which loves Froch up admitted it was an aberration. I had Taylor up 8 rounds to 3 going into the final round. If he'd taken a knee after the 1st KD, he'd still have won for me & more importantly 2 of the judges. Froch did start to come into it late.

The point I think Nameless was making is HTH's point that Abraham isn't on Froch's level is kinda laughable, as is saying that Froch was easily winning the fight. Abraham is as good as Froch if not better. Although this tournament will give us our answer.

I, however, don't see that happening and this will be another instance of Abraham beating a previous victim of Pavlik.

The only common opponent they currently share is Edison Miranda. Abraham beat him first.

Small point, but the first fight with Miranda was a questionable victory. If it had been anywhere other than Germany, Miranda would have got the nod. Watch the fight again and tell me what you think. Not that Abraham didn't prove a ton by fighting through the fight with a broken jaw. And Pavlik was the one who knocked Miranda out first.

[Hunter]

Taylor is a more talented fighter and bigger puncher than Abraham but Taylor cant seem to come into the fight prepared to go 12 rounds........You cant count taylor out but it is also hard to convince myself he will be ready to go 12 rounds....

I wouldnt be surprised if Taylor floors abraham in this fight.........

[JazMerkin]

Sorry mate but Taylor wasnt leading on all cards these were the cards going into the last:

judge: Nobuaki Uratani 102-106 | judge: Omar Mintun 102-106 | judge: Jack Woodburn 106-102

So judge Woodburn has Froch winning 106102, if the fight finished I had it a draw with a 10-8 round for Froch, or if Froch had Taylor down again if it didnt stop I had it Froch winning by a point, the fight was very close.

The thing is Woodburn's card was used as example in virtually every boxing publication of what bad scoring. Even Boxing Monthly which loves Froch up admitted it was an aberration. I had Taylor up 8 rounds to 3 going into the final round. If he'd taken a knee after the 1st KD, he'd still have won for me & more importantly 2 of the judges. Froch did start to come into it late.

The point I think Nameless was making is HTH's point that Abraham isn't on Froch's level is kinda laughable, as is saying that Froch was easily winning the fight. Abraham is as good as Froch if not better. Although this tournament will give us our answer.

I, however, don't see that happening and this will be another instance of Abraham beating a previous victim of Pavlik.

The only common opponent they currently share is Edison Miranda. Abraham beat him first.

Small point, but the first fight with Miranda was a questionable victory. If it had been anywhere other than Germany, Miranda would have got the nod. Watch the fight again and tell me what you think. Not that Abraham didn't prove a ton by fighting through the fight with a broken jaw. And Pavlik was the one who knocked Miranda out first.

I thought Abraham won the first fight by 4 or 5 points, I've not heard anyone really say Miranda should have won before. Pavlik knocking him out first is besides the point, Abraham beat him first with a broken jaw. If we're going to start trying to give Pavlik credit for KOing him first then you could equally argue Abraham KO'd him quicker.

[Rantcatrat]

The thing is Woodburn's card was used as example in virtually every boxing publication of what bad scoring. Even Boxing Monthly which loves Froch up admitted it was an aberration. I had Taylor up 8 rounds to 3 going into the final round. If he'd taken a knee after the 1st KD, he'd still have won for me & more importantly 2 of the judges. Froch did start to come into it late.

The point I think Nameless was making is HTH's point that Abraham isn't on Froch's level is kinda laughable, as is saying that Froch was easily winning the fight. Abraham is as good as Froch if not better. Although this tournament will give us our answer.



The only common opponent they currently share is Edison Miranda. Abraham beat him first.

Small point, but the first fight with Miranda was a questionable victory. If it had been anywhere other than Germany, Miranda would have got the nod. Watch the fight again and tell me what you think. Not that Abraham didn't prove a ton by fighting through the fight with a broken jaw. And Pavlik was the one who knocked Miranda out first.

I thought Abraham won the first fight by 4 or 5 points, I've not heard anyone really say Miranda should have won before. Pavlik knocking him out first is besides the point, Abraham beat him first with a broken jaw. If we're going to start trying to give Pavlik credit for KOing him first then you could equally argue Abraham KO'd him quicker.

I'll rewatch it. Maybe you are right. I remember thinking at the time that Miranda got robbed.

[markb018]

Small point, but the first fight with Miranda was a questionable victory. If it had been anywhere other than Germany, Miranda would have got the nod. Watch the fight again and tell me what you think. Not that Abraham didn't prove a ton by fighting through the fight with a broken jaw. And Pavlik was the one who knocked Miranda out first.

I thought Abraham won the first fight by 4 or 5 points, I've not heard anyone really say Miranda should have won before. Pavlik knocking him out first is besides the point, Abraham beat him first with a broken jaw. If we're going to start trying to give Pavlik credit for KOing him first then you could equally argue Abraham KO'd him quicker.

I'll rewatch it. Maybe you are right. I remember thinking at the time that Miranda got robbed.

Its been a bit since I watched the fight, but if I recall Miranda had some low blow deductions in the fight that were questionable thus resulting in the loss. Can't remember if they were legit point deductions though

[Master]

Taylor will easily outpoint AA who is far too slow.

[amat]

I thought Abraham won the first fight by 4 or 5 points, I've not heard anyone really say Miranda should have won before. Pavlik knocking him out first is besides the point, Abraham beat him first with a broken jaw. If we're going to start trying to give Pavlik credit for KOing him first then you could equally argue Abraham KO'd him quicker.

I'll rewatch it. Maybe you are right. I remember thinking at the time that Miranda got robbed.

Its been a bit since I watched the fight, but if I recall Miranda had some low blow deductions in the fight that were questionable thus resulting in the loss. Can't remember if they were legit point deductions though

It was a headbutt that he lost 2 or 3 points for and it was very fair, it was a brutal cheapshot to a man with his jaw hanging off his face.

The big controversy there was that Abraham quit, he made it clear that he didn't want to fight and Randy Neuman (sp?) just didn't let him quit, he consulted with people ringside and made him continue with a broken jaw.

I don't think Taylor stops him but I think this one will be a very close decision imo.

[Nameless]

Small point, but the first fight with Miranda was a questionable victory. If it had been anywhere other than Germany, Miranda would have got the nod. Watch the fight again and tell me what you think. Not that Abraham didn't prove a ton by fighting through the fight with a broken jaw. And Pavlik was the one who knocked Miranda out first.

I thought Abraham won the first fight by 4 or 5 points, I've not heard anyone really say Miranda should have won before. Pavlik knocking him out first is besides the point, Abraham beat him first with a broken jaw. If we're going to start trying to give Pavlik credit for KOing him first then you could equally argue Abraham KO'd him quicker.

I'll rewatch it. Maybe you are right. I remember thinking at the time that Miranda got robbed.

I also think that Abraham won by a fair 4-5 points... and doing so bleeding like a pig with a broken jaw says a lot about the boxer. Taylor is very good, no doubts about it, but the thing is that he doesn't have neither the jaw or stamina to stand up against King Arthur, in my book at least, damn can't wait to see the next step of that tournament as so many answers will be answered.

[Mar]

.....in a three or four rounder taylor might have a shot. Abraham starts slow and taylor can't manage to even last 12 so maybe. The old killer jab throwing taylor might even last six but not much more than that. Jermain's best chance is to get an injury and let someone else in, at least that way he doesn't get a loss.

[C-Lo]

I say this all the time with Taylor. He can beat almost anyone around his weight. His jab is one of the best in the sport. IF he can last the distance.

[Spicoli]

I want Taylor to get this but have been thinking him near the end.Still leaning towards Abraham to over come the jab and pull ahead down the stretch for a late tko or comfy dec.Taylor has always struck me a bit repetative,'stands up' after jab,legs look stiff now.

Might or might not be a big factor but Taylors first ever fight overseas...whats the elevation in Gemany?

[Cortez The Killer]

I say this all the time with Taylor. He can beat almost anyone around his weight. His jab is one of the best in the sport. IF he can last the distance.

This is right on. Taylor matches up well with everyone in the tournament and I wouldnt be suprised if he makes it all the way through. I'd like to put some bets on him cause it seems like most people have completely written him off.