Comparison of Floyd's punching stats to Vitali's punching stats in latest matches

[JazMerkin]

It would be interesting to see how many punches Arreloa threw compared to JMM. Mayweather might have had to spend more time avoiding punches?

Maybe you are right. Arreola was 86 of 331 and Marquez was 69 for 583. Remember though we are comparing welterweights to heavyweights. Just that they are capable of comparison is slightly odd.

Fair point, but Marquez is clearly far more adept at punching than Arreola in terms of his accuracy. I think the fact that a fighter as good as Marquez threw 252 more punches than Arreola & connected 17 less has to say something as well.

[Rantcatrat]

It would be interesting to see how many punches Arreloa threw compared to JMM. Mayweather might have had to spend more time avoiding punches?

Maybe you are right. Arreola was 86 of 331 and Marquez was 69 for 583. Remember though we are comparing welterweights to heavyweights. Just that they are capable of comparison is slightly odd.

Fair point, but Marquez is clearly far more adept at punching than Arreola in terms of his accuracy. I think the fact that a fighter as good as Marquez threw 252 more punches than Arreola & connected 17 less has to say something as well.

That Floyd has amazing defense.

Still how many times do you see a heavyweight throwing decisively more punches than a welterweight? Vitali gets a ton of crap for being a boring fighter. At least in this case, the punching stats don't show it.

[JazMerkin]

Maybe you are right. Arreola was 86 of 331 and Marquez was 69 for 583. Remember though we are comparing welterweights to heavyweights. Just that they are capable of comparison is slightly odd.

Fair point, but Marquez is clearly far more adept at punching than Arreola in terms of his accuracy. I think the fact that a fighter as good as Marquez threw 252 more punches than Arreola & connected 17 less has to say something as well.

That Floyd has amazing defense.

Still how many times do you see a heavyweight throwing decisively more punches than a welterweight? Vitali gets a ton of crap for being a boring fighter. At least in this case, the punching stats don't show it.

I don't think he's a boring fighter, I just feel the quality of his & his brother's opponents (not Chagaev or Arreola who I both thought were good fighters) is often not up to standard. I think the reason Vitali's performance gets less praise than Floyd's is because to the average person it isn't as exciting to watch, because his size doesn't allow him to look as fluid & athletic as Mayweather. Although I think Vitali is on the slide, he kept Arreola decisively at bay & I was impressed at how he went to the body. But, I don't really see anyone not giving him credit (Lefty isn't here no more)

[Taeth]

You also have to look at quality of punches, 90% of what MAyweather throws is crisp, technical punches, while Vitali throws a lot of half hearted punches and he gets away with it because of his size and strength.

[Rantcatrat]

You also have to look at quality of punches, 90% of what MAyweather throws is crisp, technical punches, while Vitali throws a lot of half hearted punches and he gets away with it because of his size and strength.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but still it when you consider the numbers, it is a little wild to think a heavyweight threw more punches than a welterweight. To your point, also take into consideration that Vitali landed 153 of 201 power punches and Floyd landed 105 of 177 power punches.

I guess another thing to take away from this is that Arreola has a helluva chin because Vitali is a monster of a human and landed a ton of punches on Arreola.

[Mar]

...floyd didn't need to throw as many, and against a much better fighter. Seems more impressive to me.

[Rantcatrat]

It may not be that odd at all now that I think about it. However, Klitschko was very busy for a heavyweight.


What is the average punch output of an welterweight/heavyweight?

[JT Rock]

I dont see any relevance at all.. I think you all have Vitali mixed up with Wlad in the boring dept... Vitali is 10x the fighter and badass.

Vitali is my favorite heavy I have always liked him and thought highly of his heart and determination, he overcame any questions of his fortitude from the Byrd fight, against Lewis he was the epitome of true heart and guts and mental toughness. That fight was something I'll never forget, I give Vitali a pikem chance against any of the great Heavyweights in history and favor him over quite a few.

I was astonished at his volume against Arreola and my concern of his age and getting older overnight was for nothing, that's the only chance I gave Cris was against a Vitali that lost a step. I have made it known numerous times how I feel bad for Vitali because of his injuries, if it wasnt for him going down for 4 years he could have carved himself an even better run of dominace and lineal championship rein. Instead he has to play second fiddle to a guy who has the mental toughness of a 16 year old girl who got dumped by her 1st boyfriend..

[JonnyFolds]

You also have to look at quality of punches, 90% of what MAyweather throws is crisp, technical punches, while Vitali throws a lot of half hearted punches and he gets away with it because of his size and strength.

You must be joking. Vitali's win was way more appealing than Floyd's. Vitali was throwing punch FAR harder in comparison to Floyds.

We could also look at the fact that Mayweather was fighting a guy 20lbs lighter than he, and Vitali was fighting a guy who weighed the same
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[JonnyFolds]

I think the record for punch output in a single fight is held by Ivan Robinson and Phillip holiday 995 combined landed punches. Not sure how many were thrown. But Holiday connected with 555. The record for Compubox.

Then you have Ike Ibeabushi and David Tua putting up some crazy numbers as heavyweights.

[J_Undisputed]

The article iself is pointless. Its a question of styles. Its not often a heavy weight throws more punches than a welterweight, but look at the two fighters in question. One evaded punches as 90% of his defense against a pound 4-pound counter puncher and the other shoeshined a 1-2's against a guy who carried his gaurd high and barely threw. Arreola was game, but was he really a great fighter?

If vitali had defense like floyd, he wouldn't need to throw that many punches. If Floyd carried power like vitali's he would take a few to clip his opponents and make the same amount of money for few rounds of work.

Wanna compare punches landed on chris byrd vs those landed on floyd.. ok..sure.. both are considered defensive stylists and neither are considered strong punchers. Want to compare punches thrown/ or KO percentage between Vitali and TSzyu... ok.. cool. Both carry power and tried to box their opponents. The notion of comparing punches thrown by Floyd and Vitali is a spin that was started by HBO and continued in this article ..it only goes to Floyds pocket as evidence of what hes been saying about HBO commentators not knowing $hit about the sport. They would have actually made a point if they compared Floyd and Vitali to their counterparts in the 70's or 80's as evidence they throw more or less punches than a champ/superstar could.

[Taeth]

You also have to look at quality of punches, 90% of what MAyweather throws is crisp, technical punches, while Vitali throws a lot of half hearted punches and he gets away with it because of his size and strength.

You must be joking. Vitali's win was way more appealing than Floyd's. Vitali was throwing punch FAR harder in comparison to Floyds.

We could also look at the fact that Mayweather was fighting a guy 20lbs lighter than he, and Vitali was fighting a guy who weighed the same
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Where the fuck is your logic coming from? Mayweather did not weigh 168 when he fought Marquez, what are you smoking? Also Arreola shouldn't be anywhere near 250, Mayweather fought a guy in supreme shape, while Vitali fought a guy who looked like he should be entering training camp, not at the end of it. Mayweather didn't throw as many punches, but you look at body rotation and everything, Mayweather was putting more into his punches more often. Mayweather always throws crisp punches, he doesn't throw a lot of punches but he makes as many punches as possible count. That why he almost connected with as many punches as Vitali while throwing less than half as many.

There are plenty of times where both brothers toy with opponents, and also because of their height and size and lack of athleticism(in comparison to Mayweather) there is no way they can get the same rotation on punches. Thats why Lennox Lewis hit harder than either brother, or Tyson, or Tua. Its because they had the ability to put their whole bodies into punches, while Wlad and especially Vitali pummel opponents and frustrate opponents until they steal the guys will to fight but don't have that spark out power.

Floyd fought a guy 8xbetter than Arreola, a guy with speed, counter punching ability, and heart. Floyd showed better everything except power in comparsion to Vitali.

[Rantcatrat]

You also have to look at quality of punches, 90% of what MAyweather throws is crisp, technical punches, while Vitali throws a lot of half hearted punches and he gets away with it because of his size and strength.

You must be joking. Vitali's win was way more appealing than Floyd's. Vitali was throwing punch FAR harder in comparison to Floyds.

We could also look at the fact that Mayweather was fighting a guy 20lbs lighter than he, and Vitali was fighting a guy who weighed the same
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Where the fuck is your logic coming from? Mayweather did not weigh 168 when he fought Marquez, what are you smoking? Also Arreola shouldn't be anywhere near 250, Mayweather fought a guy in supreme shape, while Vitali fought a guy who looked like he should be entering training camp, not at the end of it. Mayweather didn't throw as many punches, but you look at body rotation and everything, Mayweather was putting more into his punches more often. Mayweather always throws crisp punches, he doesn't throw a lot of punches but he makes as many punches as possible count. That why he almost connected with as many punches as Vitali while throwing less than half as many.

There are plenty of times where both brothers toy with opponents, and also because of their height and size and lack of athleticism(in comparison to Mayweather) there is no way they can get the same rotation on punches. Thats why Lennox Lewis hit harder than either brother, or Tyson, or Tua. Its because they had the ability to put their whole bodies into punches, while Wlad and especially Vitali pummel opponents and frustrate opponents until they steal the guys will to fight but don't have that spark out power.

Floyd fought a guy 8xbetter than Arreola, a guy with speed, counter punching ability, and heart. Floyd showed better everything except power in comparsion to Vitali.

Can someone please tell me if there is anything wrong with not throwing many punches if you win the fight? I don't think so. There are different styles in boxing. Right? As a boxing fan, you may prefer to watch some styles in comparison to others, but styles are styles.

I think the point is more that Mayweather doesn't throw many punches in a fight for a welterweight and Vitali throws a lot of punches in a fight for a heavyweight. As Taeth and others have pointed out: it makes sense to an extent given that Mayweather is a pure counterpunching defensive fighter and Vitali is a pure offensive fighter. The reason that it is somewhat astonishing is that generally heavyweights throw less punches than welterweights.

To Bilbo, I don't really think that who Mayweather is fighting makes a difference, but I can't find the data to back that up. What I mean is I don't think Mayweather's punching output would change all that much if he fought a boxer with the same style as Arreola. Mayweather will always be a smart defensive fighter who is averse to risk-taking and doesn't use punch volume to win fights.

I also don't think it really has to do with that Mayweather throws cleaner, crisper punches. Because if you don't throw many punches, you have to make the punches you throw count. If you throw many punches, you don't have to exert the same amount of energy making sure each punch is crisp. Style dictates punch output to an extent.

Also, to Taeth, it is much easier to look athletic when you are shorter than when you are taller. Vitali actually is pretty athletic for a guy who is 6'8 and I've seen many guys who are 5'8 that are very athletic.

Marquez may be 8x better than Arreola, but it is not because he has any more heart. Arreola has a ton of that.

[ross]

I don't think he's a boring fighter, I just feel the quality of his & his brother's opponents (not Chagaev or Arreola who I both thought were good fighters) is often not up to standard.

Well, unfortunately for the Klitchskos, when they try doing what Floyd does and bring fighters up from the lower weights as opponents, their proposed opponents shiit them selves and run a mile