Comparison of Floyd's punching stats to Vitali's punching stats in latest matches

[JazMerkin]

Maybe you are right. Arreola was 86 of 331 and Marquez was 69 for 583. Remember though we are comparing welterweights to heavyweights. Just that they are capable of comparison is slightly odd.

Fair point, but Marquez is clearly far more adept at punching than Arreola in terms of his accuracy. I think the fact that a fighter as good as Marquez threw 252 more punches than Arreola & connected 17 less has to say something as well.

That Floyd has amazing defense.

Still how many times do you see a heavyweight throwing decisively more punches than a welterweight? Vitali gets a ton of crap for being a boring fighter. At least in this case, the punching stats don't show it.

I don't think he's a boring fighter, I just feel the quality of his & his brother's opponents (not Chagaev or Arreola who I both thought were good fighters) is often not up to standard. I think the reason Vitali's performance gets less praise than Floyd's is because to the average person it isn't as exciting to watch, because his size doesn't allow him to look as fluid & athletic as Mayweather. Although I think Vitali is on the slide, he kept Arreola decisively at bay & I was impressed at how he went to the body. But, I don't really see anyone not giving him credit (Lefty isn't here no more)

[Taeth]

You also have to look at quality of punches, 90% of what MAyweather throws is crisp, technical punches, while Vitali throws a lot of half hearted punches and he gets away with it because of his size and strength.

[Rantcatrat]

You also have to look at quality of punches, 90% of what MAyweather throws is crisp, technical punches, while Vitali throws a lot of half hearted punches and he gets away with it because of his size and strength.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but still it when you consider the numbers, it is a little wild to think a heavyweight threw more punches than a welterweight. To your point, also take into consideration that Vitali landed 153 of 201 power punches and Floyd landed 105 of 177 power punches.

I guess another thing to take away from this is that Arreola has a helluva chin because Vitali is a monster of a human and landed a ton of punches on Arreola.

[Mar]

...floyd didn't need to throw as many, and against a much better fighter. Seems more impressive to me.

[Rantcatrat]

It may not be that odd at all now that I think about it. However, Klitschko was very busy for a heavyweight.


What is the average punch output of an welterweight/heavyweight?

[uwey]

If Floyd is so boring then why do you buy or watch any of his fights. People seem to be following and commenting on this boring guy every day of their lives. I like his fight style. I like Bernards style also. When did throwing punches and losing make u a good fighter. Gatti did that but he was an average fighter. Paul Williams throws a lot of punches but you all ran him out of the division. Just admit it, u guys dont like Floyd for some other reason. You all are the type of people who voted for George Bush Jr. and then tried to deny it.

[JT Rock]

I dont see any relevance at all.. I think you all have Vitali mixed up with Wlad in the boring dept... Vitali is 10x the fighter and badass.

Vitali is my favorite heavy I have always liked him and thought highly of his heart and determination, he overcame any questions of his fortitude from the Byrd fight, against Lewis he was the epitome of true heart and guts and mental toughness. That fight was something I'll never forget, I give Vitali a pikem chance against any of the great Heavyweights in history and favor him over quite a few.

I was astonished at his volume against Arreola and my concern of his age and getting older overnight was for nothing, that's the only chance I gave Cris was against a Vitali that lost a step. I have made it known numerous times how I feel bad for Vitali because of his injuries, if it wasnt for him going down for 4 years he could have carved himself an even better run of dominace and lineal championship rein. Instead he has to play second fiddle to a guy who has the mental toughness of a 16 year old girl who got dumped by her 1st boyfriend..

[El Kabong]

I dont see any relevance at all.. I think you all have Vitali mixed up with Wlad in the boring dept... Vitali is 10x the fighter and badass.

Vitali is my favorite heavy I have always liked him and thought highly of his heart and determination, he overcame any questions of his fortitude from the Byrd fight, against Lewis he was the epitome of true heart and guts and mental toughness. That fight was something I'll never forget, I give Vitali a pikem chance against any of the great Heavyweights in history and favor him over quite a few.

I was astonished at his volume against Arreola and my concern of his age and getting older overnight was for nothing, that's the only chance I gave Cris was against a Vitali that lost a step. I have made it known numerous times how I feel bad for Vitali because of his injuries, if it wasnt for him going down for 4 years he could have carved himself an even better run of dominace and lineal championship rein. Instead he has to play second fiddle to a guy who has the mental toughness of a 16 year old girl who got dumped by her 1st boyfriend..

Which is why it's so easy to beat Wladimir and that's why Wladimir never has handled adversity well, he's never dealt with a cut (the way he didn't do it vs Calvin Brock), he's never gotten off the canvas to win (like he didn't do it vs Sam Peter), and he's never avenged a loss (which is why the rematch with Lamon Brewster never happened).

I find it hilarious that a die hard Floyd Mayweather Jr. fan can do nothing but talk shit about a guy who runs a division yet he has weaknesses and flaws but he doesn't hand pick his opponents, he doesn't run away from competition, and he never stops throwing punches.

[JT Rock]

I dont see any relevance at all.. I think you all have Vitali mixed up with Wlad in the boring dept... Vitali is 10x the fighter and badass.

Vitali is my favorite heavy I have always liked him and thought highly of his heart and determination, he overcame any questions of his fortitude from the Byrd fight, against Lewis he was the epitome of true heart and guts and mental toughness. That fight was something I'll never forget, I give Vitali a pikem chance against any of the great Heavyweights in history and favor him over quite a few.

I was astonished at his volume against Arreola and my concern of his age and getting older overnight was for nothing, that's the only chance I gave Cris was against a Vitali that lost a step. I have made it known numerous times how I feel bad for Vitali because of his injuries, if it wasnt for him going down for 4 years he could have carved himself an even better run of dominace and lineal championship rein. Instead he has to play second fiddle to a guy who has the mental toughness of a 16 year old girl who got dumped by her 1st boyfriend..

Which is why it's so easy to beat Wladimir and that's why Wladimir never has handled adversity well, he's never dealt with a cut (the way he didn't do it vs Calvin Brock), he's never gotten off the canvas to win (like he didn't do it vs Sam Peter), and he's never avenged a loss (which is why the rematch with Lamon Brewster never happened).

I find it hilarious that a die hard Floyd Mayweather Jr. fan can do nothing but talk shit about a guy who runs a division yet he has weaknesses and flaws but he doesn't hand pick his opponents, he doesn't run away from competition, and he never stops throwing punches.

News flash Lyle, the division is weak and I dont care how you justify it, Mayweather is a better fighter in all regards. PFP being a standard albeit fantasy measuring stick that fighters are judged by, Wlad isint even in the same convo with Mayweather, PFP Wlads best wins arent on par with Mayweathers. I dont hold the quality of comp against Wlad because its a product of his era and not his fault. You and the rest of your Wlad apologists can try to compare Wlad to Floyd all you want but there is no comparison, none at all WLAD is a heavyweight with undeniable 1 punch KO power. He jabs his way through 1/2 of a fight and refuses to press and annihilate a fighter that has been broken down and beaten 4 rounds prior. He is fragile at best and is protecting a weak chin, he desperately holds within 2ft of his reach and flops around the ring like a fish when pressed in the past... There is no comparison to Mayweather

Vitali is the better fighter and champion he possesses certain intangibles that other great heavyweights have, you never get the sense that Vitali is vulnerable or in trouble, never a look of desperation just a cool relaxed confidence in himself. The only way you ever hear of Vitali getting bet against is because of age and nothing else. Wlads been unraveled and stopped 3x by fighters who were signifigantly less than him, hence no matter what until the day he retires he will always have that label of fragile and chinny and he fights like someone who is protecting those vulnerabilities, nothing wrong with that but in the division he fights in, those arent qualities that people want to see in their Lineal Heavyweight Champion.

I welcome any challenge or debate on who the better brother is, because there is no way in hell Wlad could ever beat Vitali.. Vitali is the best Heavy in the world right now BAR NONE!!!

[JonnyFolds]

You also have to look at quality of punches, 90% of what MAyweather throws is crisp, technical punches, while Vitali throws a lot of half hearted punches and he gets away with it because of his size and strength.

You must be joking. Vitali's win was way more appealing than Floyd's. Vitali was throwing punch FAR harder in comparison to Floyds.

We could also look at the fact that Mayweather was fighting a guy 20lbs lighter than he, and Vitali was fighting a guy who weighed the same
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[JonnyFolds]

I think the record for punch output in a single fight is held by Ivan Robinson and Phillip holiday 995 combined landed punches. Not sure how many were thrown. But Holiday connected with 555. The record for Compubox.

Then you have Ike Ibeabushi and David Tua putting up some crazy numbers as heavyweights.

[J_Undisputed]

The article iself is pointless. Its a question of styles. Its not often a heavy weight throws more punches than a welterweight, but look at the two fighters in question. One evaded punches as 90% of his defense against a pound 4-pound counter puncher and the other shoeshined a 1-2's against a guy who carried his gaurd high and barely threw. Arreola was game, but was he really a great fighter?

If vitali had defense like floyd, he wouldn't need to throw that many punches. If Floyd carried power like vitali's he would take a few to clip his opponents and make the same amount of money for few rounds of work.

Wanna compare punches landed on chris byrd vs those landed on floyd.. ok..sure.. both are considered defensive stylists and neither are considered strong punchers. Want to compare punches thrown/ or KO percentage between Vitali and TSzyu... ok.. cool. Both carry power and tried to box their opponents. The notion of comparing punches thrown by Floyd and Vitali is a spin that was started by HBO and continued in this article ..it only goes to Floyds pocket as evidence of what hes been saying about HBO commentators not knowing $hit about the sport. They would have actually made a point if they compared Floyd and Vitali to their counterparts in the 70's or 80's as evidence they throw more or less punches than a champ/superstar could.

[blegit]

The article iself is pointless. Its a question of styles. Its not often a heavy weight throws more punches than a welterweight, but look at the two fighters in question. One evaded punches as 90% of his defense against a pound 4-pound counter puncher and the other shoeshined a 1-2's against a guy who carried his gaurd high and barely threw. Arreola was game, but was he really a great fighter?

If vitali had defense like floyd, he wouldn't need to throw that many punches. If Floyd carried power like vitali's he would take a few to clip his opponents and make the same amount of money for few rounds of work.

Wanna compare punches landed on chris byrd vs those landed on floyd.. ok..sure.. both are considered defensive stylists and neither are considered strong punchers. Want to compare punches thrown/ or KO percentage between Vitali and TSzyu... ok.. cool. Both carry power and tried to box their opponents. The notion of comparing punches thrown by Floyd and Vitali is a spin that was started by HBO and continued in this article ..it only goes to Floyds pocket as evidence of what hes been saying about HBO commentators not knowing $hit about the sport. They would have actually made a point if they compared Floyd and Vitali to their counterparts in the 70's or 80's as evidence they throw more or less punches than a champ/superstar could.

Dang, well put. You are right you can not just look at numbers like the actual fight didn't tell the truth. Besides these are just one sided numbers. Like someone said, Floyd is a defensive wizard and depending on who he is fighting he may be on the defensive more than the offensive. And Arreola was coming straight line in at Vitali...that would make you a punching bag to a guy as talented as Vitali. Do people really want to keep discrediting everything about Floyd at all costs? His tune up fight against a top p4p guy was brilliant. Now lets move on everybody and see who he faces next.

[JT Rock]

The article iself is pointless. Its a question of styles. Its not often a heavy weight throws more punches than a welterweight, but look at the two fighters in question. One evaded punches as 90% of his defense against a pound 4-pound counter puncher and the other shoeshined a 1-2's against a guy who carried his gaurd high and barely threw. Arreola was game, but was he really a great fighter?

If vitali had defense like floyd, he wouldn't need to throw that many punches. If Floyd carried power like vitali's he would take a few to clip his opponents and make the same amount of money for few rounds of work.

Wanna compare punches landed on chris byrd vs those landed on floyd.. ok..sure.. both are considered defensive stylists and neither are considered strong punchers. Want to compare punches thrown/ or KO percentage between Vitali and TSzyu... ok.. cool. Both carry power and tried to box their opponents. The notion of comparing punches thrown by Floyd and Vitali is a spin that was started by HBO and continued in this article ..it only goes to Floyds pocket as evidence of what hes been saying about HBO commentators not knowing $hit about the sport. They would have actually made a point if they compared Floyd and Vitali to their counterparts in the 70's or 80's as evidence they throw more or less punches than a champ/superstar could.

Great points! Watch yourself though any credit given to Floyd is considered treason around here

[Kev]

I think the quality of opponent should be taken into account too.

Floyd was fighting one of the p4p best whereas Vitali was fighting a big, slow, fat, lumbering plodder who just kept coming forward and inviting Vitali to punch him in his stupid fat face.

Vitali is busy but unlike Floyd he didn't have to use any counterpunching skills. He's just a huge man with long arms who couldn't miss the human heavybag in front of him every time he stuck his jab out.

Under such circumstances we would have all thrown a lot of punches, it would be fun.