Nobel Prize goes to Obama...

[Majesty]

Well, Bilbo I actually did watch all of that & sorry to tell you I still think it's all bollocks. The fact is outside of Fox News (who whilst in the US I saw put up a montage of Obama's first 100 days in office to Carmina Burana) & LaRouchePac, no one is peddling this shit. Even Rush Limbaugh thinks some of the stuff being said about him & Emanuel is going too far.

Anyway, the sources you've given me are Fox (which is effectively part of the US' problem with propaganda news networks, rather than a stream of impartial media sources), whilst the Washington Examiner is a heavily Conservative free newspaper. I mean, you don't see me posting up London Lite sources.

Otherwise it's LaRouchePac, who are basically an insane political cult. Some of their fantastic ideas to improve our lives.

We should colonize Mars, ensuring the survival of our species (eh)

Isolation of all those carrying Aids, & treatment involving directing powerful energy beams on them (wha..)

The Eurasian Land Bridge, a super fast rail system that stretches across Europe & Asia, which will replace most other methods of transport. This will solve economic problems by creating enough new jobs & an economic boom to solve mass unemployment (Wait, hold on a minute...)

So forgive me, if I'm just a little sceptical, to have LaRouche criticizing someone for wanting to kill off the weak, when he in fact said in the 80s that people killing Aids carriers might one day be considered patriots, is just laughable.

The whole basis of Emanuel being pro-euthanasia comes from Betsy McCaughey misinterpreting some of his work, which the LaRouche movement was quick to jump on. Heavy academic work almost always throws theoretical scenarios about & looks at every solution to an issue which appears to be what Emanuel did.

In fact, having looked at some of his work on the net today, he even goes as far as to clarify that he is against euthanasia or any manner of a doctor choosing a patient's fate, in fact arguing that those prone to wanting to be euthanized are often suffering from some sort of mental illness such as depression that leads them to want this. This kind of hypothesizing is fairly common in almost every academic work, where the authors will look at almost any scenario no matter how abhorrent to them it is, even if only to debunk it. I think this is the same with Holdren. I doubt either agrees with controlled abortions or euthanasia, although no doubt they both believe abortion & contraception should be available to all, the former of which you clearly are against.

It seems to me that almost all of this was begun by a sub-par historian high in the LaRouche network, who has blown this up into what it now is. Btw, this is not the first time, they've decided to compare a new US Govt to the Nazis, they did it about 8 years ago.

http://larouchepub.com/lar/2001/jan_3_webcast_qanda.html

It's funny that they keep comparing everyone to the Nazis given some of their own rather questionable attitudes to Jews. Anyway as for the Obama quotes, he seems to be talking more about the situation we already have in Britain, where doctors will explain the options available to a patient & the likely outcomes of each. I know this, because this basically happened to my Nan over the last year, before her death 6 months back. I know from experience that doing this in no way means the doctors won't do everything they can to save an elderly person's life.

I'm sorry, Bilbo, I think this is all a pile of shit. Obama is not going to start destroying the world, he's done nothing for the Nobel Peace Prize, although I suspect it's more a reaction to him being mixed-race & more importantly not having the surname Bush. There's plenty I'd like to see him do, but I'm also a realist, closing Gitmo & universal healthcare are a good start for me. If he does become this maniac you predict than, hell, I will wire you all the money I have, but I'm 100% confident that will never come about.

Oh, & as for abortion, whilst I'm against it for myself, I have no right to decide other people's lives for them. Whatever they do, they do for their reasons & if there are consequences they live with them. Banning abortions, would lead to back-alley ones, or private doctors doing them on the sly. They didn't just come about with Roe vs Wade as Kirkland says.

Right Wings are very willing to post their sites or opinions from sites or sources that they don't expect someone to do research on. If people did research on the stuff rather then just believing the television they'd see it's just as bollocks. Jim Cornette did a very awesome rant against the Right Wings people should listen to but I doubt many would listen to facts rather then listen to blown up opinions of what they feel with no background.

[El Kabong]

Right Wings are very willing to post their sites or opinions from sites or sources that they don't expect someone to do research on. If people did research on the stuff rather then just believing the television they'd see it's just as bollocks. Jim Cornette did a very awesome rant against the Right Wings people should listen to but I doubt many would listen to facts rather then listen to blown up opinions of what they feel with no background.

....the Wrestling....I mean "Wrasslin" manager??

Wow, that'll put those right wingers in their place

"Look out Rush, he's got his 'loaded tennis racket'!!!"