Nobel Prize goes to Obama...

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Actually I disagree, Obama the 'man of peace', is the most militant pro abortionist ever to hold office. He has even denied legal rights to children born alive as a result of botched abortions so a child survives an abortion attempt (which happens often) that child will get murdered outside of the womb, seperate from its mother,in other words infanticide.

He also wants to use abortion as a birth control measure to get families above of the poverty line.

He also wants us to accept a 'death culture' where the terminally ill are allowed the right to die with dignity rather than be kept alive in pain and suffering, which sounds reasonable but is only the first step of the process to on the way to euthansasing the elderly, sick and infirm to save billions of US dollars, if that sounds far fetched, then just read the published works of his own elected science team.

Millions more will now die as a result of Obama's presidency but the public likely will not care as those to die won't be the headliners, civilians in war etc, but the true innocents, unborn babies, and the elderly and infirm.

Thanks for that Glenn Beck

Well roll your eyes if you want but I what I am saying is true.

Mother Theresa, an actual deserving Nobel Prize winner said that 'Abortion is the great destroyer of peace', now she was a prize winner I can respect.

America alone aborts around 1.2 million children annually, well over 50 million American unborn terminated since the Roe vs Wade case in 73.

I find any talk of 'peace' to be laughable in all honesty.......

Since you are never going to get pregnant or to ever have to face that decision you can shut up. You and the penguin virgin prune faced everything is a sin nun.

My body, my choice. Keep your hands off.

[AdamGB]

Thanks for that Glenn Beck

Well roll your eyes if you want but I what I am saying is true.

Mother Theresa, an actual deserving Nobel Prize winner said that 'Abortion is the great destroyer of peace', now she was a prize winner I can respect.

America alone aborts around 1.2 million children annually, well over 50 million American unborn terminated since the Roe vs Wade case in 73.

I find any talk of 'peace' to be laughable in all honesty.......

You aren't ever have to face that decision, you can shut up.

So does the father share any of the responsibility for the child or the desicion? From conception or just when it comes to child support?

I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying about abortion, but I would like to think that outside of the physical process of the 9 months of pregnancy that the father shares an equal part of the ethical responsibility and decision making... it is, after all his child too.

I don't necessarily agree with what Bilbo's posts, but I think it's a bit harsh writing off a man's opinion because we're not incubators.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Well roll your eyes if you want but I what I am saying is true.

Mother Theresa, an actual deserving Nobel Prize winner said that 'Abortion is the great destroyer of peace', now she was a prize winner I can respect.

America alone aborts around 1.2 million children annually, well over 50 million American unborn terminated since the Roe vs Wade case in 73.

I find any talk of 'peace' to be laughable in all honesty.......

You aren't ever have to face that decision, you can shut up.

So does the father share any of the responsibility for the child or the desicion? From conception or just when it comes to child support?

I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying about abortion, but I would like to think that outside of the physical process of the 9 months of pregnancy that the father shares an equal part of the ethical responsibility and decision making... it is, after all his child too.

I don't necessarily agree with what Bilbo's posts, but I think it's a bit harsh writing off a man's opinion because we're not incubators.

Hi,

I writing off bilbos's opinion.

I understand this is a difficult topic but yes we are the incubators and must have the final say over what happens to our bodies.

Think it through what if you're with a women who gets pregnant. She wants it, you don't. Is she forced to terminate? What if it's the other way about. She doesn't want it but you do? Do your rights as a father override her rights? I think we'd agree that no they don't on this or any other matter.
It's very easy for Bilbo to sit back and say what we should do when he will never ever run the risk of getting pregnant. We're the ones who have to deal with that shit.

[AdamGB]

You aren't ever have to face that decision, you can shut up.

So does the father share any of the responsibility for the child or the decision? From conception or just when it comes to child support?

I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying about abortion, but I would like to think that outside of the physical process of the 9 months of pregnancy that the father shares an equal part of the ethical responsibility and decision making... it is, after all his child too.

I don't necessarily agree with what Bilbo's posts, but I think it's a bit harsh writing off a man's opinion because we're not incubators.

Hi,

I writing off bilbos's opinion.

I understand this is a difficult topic but yes we are the incubators and must have the final say over what happens to our bodies.

Think it through what if you're with a women who gets pregnant. She wants it, you don't. Is she forced to terminate? What if it's the other way about. She doesn't want it but you do? Do your rights as a father override her rights? I think we'd agree that no they don't on this or any other matter.
It's very easy for Bilbo to sit back and say what we should do when he will never ever run the risk of getting pregnant. We're the ones who have to deal with that shit.

Like I've said, I don't agree with what Bilbo said but I also don't agree with you saying that a man will never have to make a decision regarding a pregnancy.

Don't assume that there are no scenarios were the man won't be making the decision.

A friend of mines partner decided that she would have their baby, but only if the father supported the decision to, she couldn't come to a definite choice either way, so she left it with him. Her final choise came down to whether the father wanted to have the child, so essentially he was faced with this choice alone and said yes.

I'm sure there are more scenarios for the mother having the final say and making the choise on their own etc and I didn't say that a man's opinion overwrites the woman's if they disagree.

I just think it's ignorant to assume that a man is automatically never going to be faced with any sort of moral and ethical dilemma regarding abortion, I'm not disagreeing with who has the final say.