Who won? Froch? Or Dirrell?

[ryanman]

Like that would of mattered. Soon as Fraud would of hit the canvas the bell would of rang early and Fraud's corner would of rushed in to help him. Some how it would of been ruled a slip. I seen this shiit happen in Europe before. Don't make a fool of yourself by denying it hasn't. It's the most corrupt continent in the whole fukkin world.

You are ridiculous. That just doesn't happen. Sure some european countries are quite bad (Germany, Italy for instance, Italy being the worst IMO) but i honestly don't feel the UK is any worse than anywhere else, and certainly not worse than good ol' YooS.A. You also make a fool of yourself by wrongly viewing Europe as a single entity. Its a diverse continent containing wildly different cultures, customs and ethics. The UK does not exactly have a history of 'corrupt' decisions, and in fact i challenge you to a name and shame. You name an incident of corrupt scoring in the UK and i will reply with an example from the US.

Oh and just to clarify, i had Dirrell winning by two. But I have no real problem with the decision as he was supposed to be taking part in a boxing match, not strictly come dancing. Either way i think its creative to call the outcome corrupt.

It's obvious your Boxing knowledge is very limited if you actually believe that. Go watch more Boxing and gain more knowledge. Maybe than you'll be worth debating with.

Im thinking i've got more than enough already for someone on your level.
Anyhow, i wasn't saying bad decisions don't happen. But your crazy example wouldn't happen in the UK. Or can you name one example when something remotely similar to that has happened in the UK?

[Violent Demise]

What are the worst decisions you know of to come out of the the UK of late? (Not Europe like you say)

What is the UK not part of Europe? I did say continent

Yes the UK is in Europe but you know damn well that you are trying to to say we are like Germany etc.. in terms of bullshit results. Not the case at all.

Last nights decsicion was a disgrace. Is the UK not the place where Hatton-Tszyu and McClellan-Benn took place. 2 fights in which the ref did everything in his power to help the home fighter? Speaking of Hatton, was it not in the UK in which the ref stopped the fight to tie his shoe laces while Lazcano was on the verge of knocking him out?

[Violent Demise]

You are ridiculous. That just doesn't happen. Sure some european countries are quite bad (Germany, Italy for instance, Italy being the worst IMO) but i honestly don't feel the UK is any worse than anywhere else, and certainly not worse than good ol' YooS.A. You also make a fool of yourself by wrongly viewing Europe as a single entity. Its a diverse continent containing wildly different cultures, customs and ethics. The UK does not exactly have a history of 'corrupt' decisions, and in fact i challenge you to a name and shame. You name an incident of corrupt scoring in the UK and i will reply with an example from the US.

Oh and just to clarify, i had Dirrell winning by two. But I have no real problem with the decision as he was supposed to be taking part in a boxing match, not strictly come dancing. Either way i think its creative to call the outcome corrupt.

It's obvious your Boxing knowledge is very limited if you actually believe that. Go watch more Boxing and gain more knowledge. Maybe than you'll be worth debating with.

Im thinking i've got more than enough already for someone on your level.
Anyhow, i wasn't saying bad decisions don't happen. But your crazy example wouldn't happen in the UK. Or can you name one example when something remotely similar to that has happened in the UK?

Don't start back pedaling on me. I clearly said Europe. In which you responded that type of stuff never happens. I got fights on my hard drive in which it happens. One involving Danny Williams. And it happened in Europe.

[ryanman]

Like that would of mattered. Soon as Fraud would of hit the canvas the bell would of rang early and Fraud's corner would of rushed in to help him. Some how it would of been ruled a slip. I seen this shiit happen in Europe before. Don't make a fool of yourself by denying it hasn't. It's the most corrupt continent in the whole fukkin world.

You are ridiculous. That just doesn't happen. Sure some european countries are quite bad (Germany, Italy for instance, Italy being the worst IMO) but i honestly don't feel the UK is any worse than anywhere else, and certainly not worse than good ol' YooS.A. You also make a fool of yourself by wrongly viewing Europe as a single entity. Its a diverse continent containing wildly different cultures, customs and ethics. The UK does not exactly have a history of 'corrupt' decisions, and in fact i challenge you to a name and shame. You name an incident of corrupt scoring in the UK and i will reply with an example from the US.

Oh and just to clarify, i had Dirrell winning by two. But I have no real problem with the decision as he was supposed to be taking part in a boxing match, not strictly come dancing. Either way i think its creative to call the outcome corrupt.

It's obvious your Boxing knowledge is very limited if you actually believe that. Go watch more Boxing and gain more knowledge. Maybe than you'll be worth debating with.

Do you even understand geography?
Lumping the UK in with Europe is as culturally relevant as lumping it in with the whole northern hemisphere. But that would also implicated the US wouldn't it?

[JazMerkin]

Do you even understand geography?
Lumping the UK in with Europe is as culturally relevant as lumping it in with the whole northern hemisphere. But that would also implicated the US wouldn't it?

I think he does. The UK is in Europe. Particularly in boxing terms, the same set of referees, judges, timekeepers are shared out across Europe. In a boxing sense it is basically one entity in terms of how its administration is run.

[Violent Demise]

What is the UK not part of Europe? I did say continent

Yes the UK is in Europe but you know damn well that you are trying to to say we are like Germany etc.. in terms of bullshit results. Not the case at all.

Last nights decsicion was a disgrace. Is the UK not the place where Hatton-Tszyu and McClellan-Benn took place. 2 fights in which the ref did everything in his power to help the home fighter? Speaking of Hatton, was it not in the UK in which the ref stopped the fight to tie his shoe laces while Lazcano was on the verge of knocking him out?

You are ridiculous. That just doesn't happen. Sure some european countries are quite bad (Germany, Italy for instance, Italy being the worst IMO) but i honestly don't feel the UK is any worse than anywhere else, and certainly not worse than good ol' YooS.A. You also make a fool of yourself by wrongly viewing Europe as a single entity. Its a diverse continent containing wildly different cultures, customs and ethics. The UK does not exactly have a history of 'corrupt' decisions, and in fact i challenge you to a name and shame. You name an incident of corrupt scoring in the UK and i will reply with an example from the US.

Oh and just to clarify, i had Dirrell winning by two. But I have no real problem with the decision as he was supposed to be taking part in a boxing match, not strictly come dancing. Either way i think its creative to call the outcome corrupt.

It's obvious your Boxing knowledge is very limited if you actually believe that. Go watch more Boxing and gain more knowledge. Maybe than you'll be worth debating with.

Do you even understand geography?
Lumping the UK in with Europe is as culturally relevant as lumping it in with the whole northern hemisphere. But that would also implicated the US wouldn't it?

Read the post above for your example's

[ryanman]

It's obvious your Boxing knowledge is very limited if you actually believe that. Go watch more Boxing and gain more knowledge. Maybe than you'll be worth debating with.

Im thinking i've got more than enough already for someone on your level.
Anyhow, i wasn't saying bad decisions don't happen. But your crazy example wouldn't happen in the UK. Or can you name one example when something remotely similar to that has happened in the UK?

Don't start back pedaling on me. I clearly said Europe. In which you responded that type of stuff never happens. I got fights on my hard drive in which it happens. One involving Danny Williams. And it happened in Europe.

Im not back pedalling. My next sentence stated that some european countries are bad. My point is the UK isnt one of them, and furthermore, its not relevant to keep refering to the UK as if its one and the same as Europe. I stand by my comment that stuff like you described just doesn't happen. I know the Williams fight, it was unbelievable (he still won by stoppage), but this is one example. I would guess this is the one example you have, not multiple examples.
And anyway, as i have said, and Kel has said, proving corruption in Europe does not prove corruption in the UK. They are not one and the same. If you take nothing else away from this, please take that.

[Violent Demise]

Do you even understand geography?
Lumping the UK in with Europe is as culturally relevant as lumping it in with the whole northern hemisphere. But that would also implicated the US wouldn't it?

I think he does. The UK is in Europe. Particularly in boxing terms, the same set of referees, judges, timekeepers are shared out across Europe. In a boxing sense it is basically one entity in terms of how its administration is run.

Thank you. Finally an unbiased UK poster.

[Spicoli]

Id'a gone with Benn/Malinga 1..maybe a Eubank/Thorton

[ryanman]

Do you even understand geography?
Lumping the UK in with Europe is as culturally relevant as lumping it in with the whole northern hemisphere. But that would also implicated the US wouldn't it?

I think he does. The UK is in Europe. Particularly in boxing terms, the same set of referees, judges, timekeepers are shared out across Europe. In a boxing sense it is basically one entity in terms of how its administration is run.

But by his logic if we had 100 fights in a row, in Italy for example, that all had corrupt results, this would prove the existence of corruption in the United Kingdom - simply because they are both in Europe. This makes no sense.

[Violent Demise]

Id'a gone with Benn/Malinga 1..maybe a Eubank/Thorton

Those are just 2 more examples. But I also wanted to provide proof about how ref's go out there way to help the home fighter. Hatton-Tszyu and McClellan-Benn are perfect examples.

[Kel]

Do you really want to go down that road?

What road?

The road where you imply Majesty is a racist.

How dare you say this fucking shit! I feel offended big time! Fuck this place, I'm bored of this fucking "anything goes to try win an argument" shit

I'm outta this dead fucking hole.

Bye everyone

[Violent Demise]

What road?

The road where you imply Majesty is a racist.

How dare you say this fucking shit! I feel offended big time! Fuck this place, I'm bored of this fucking "anything goes to try win an argument" shit

I'm outta this dead fucking hole.

Bye everyone

How dare they accuse you of being a rapist. Frankly I'm appalled.

[markb018]

What road?

The road where you imply Majesty is a racist.

How dare you say this fucking shit! I feel offended big time! Fuck this place, I'm bored of this fucking "anything goes to try win an argument" shit

I'm outta this dead fucking hole.

Bye everyone

since he is leaving can we subtract a person from the thinking froch won column??

[JazMerkin]

Do you even understand geography?
Lumping the UK in with Europe is as culturally relevant as lumping it in with the whole northern hemisphere. But that would also implicated the US wouldn't it?

I think he does. The UK is in Europe. Particularly in boxing terms, the same set of referees, judges, timekeepers are shared out across Europe. In a boxing sense it is basically one entity in terms of how its administration is run.

But by his logic if we had 100 fights in a row, in Italy for example, that all had corrupt results, this would prove the existence of corruption in the United Kingdom - simply because they are both in Europe. This makes no sense.

Yeah, but there have been dodgy decisions in the UK as elsewhere in Europe. It's a federal system where the most powerful promoters like Warren, Sauerland & Hennessy end up having too much control, particularly in their country.

The argument is much harder to make in the US because they work on a state by state system, where each is different. I guarantee that there can be no comparison between Texas & Califiornia.

He said he'd seen this shiit in Europe, which is true & as a boxing entity we are one. He didn't say the UK is full of this shit (although there has to be some suspicion about the recent run of Hennessy fighters in the UK), but that Europe is. Much as I hate to admit it, he's right. We use far too small a pool of judges & referees over here. Generally the ref doesn't bother me as I tend to think most refs tend end up favouring the house fighter.

But the judges is a problem. There are way too few in Europe, often advancing to the top level much too easily (Van de Wiele last night had never judged above a basic Euro level). I tend to think that the power that the aforementioned promoters hold in Europe often holds a heavy sway over a judge looking over one of their fighters. Take a guess what's happened to the judges who had Thaxton's fight against Mezaache? Booted back off to their respective domestic levels.