Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

[Fenster]

coming from the guy who says that Haye will only lose cause of a size disadvantage, and not the fact that he's utter garbage with a big mouth

So Haye is utter garbage (with a big mouth ).

Judah and Spinks are shit.

Anyone that can't emulate Evander Holyfield is garbage.

you keep going around in circles yet don't put any real reason to why Haye is a special exception and should be given the excuse of him being too small, yet guys like Ruiz, Chagaev, Imbragimov, Brewster, and even Tua don't get the same sympathy, say whatever makes you feel better, but you're talking out your ass Fenster, and that is FACT

You're making yourself look stupid. Who said Haye should get a special exception?

Ruiz, Chagaev, Imbragimov, Brewster and Tua are proven heavyweights, right? They have had dozens of fights at heavyweight.

Haye started out at cruiserweight. He's had one fight at heavyweight since leaving the cruiserweight divison.

Valuev is 10 inches taller and 100lb heavier. That is a HUGE size advantage, no? So if Valuev beats Haye his SIZE will be a factor.

How the fuck is that hard to understand? Seriously....

[ElTerribleMorales]

So Haye is utter garbage (with a big mouth ).

Judah and Spinks are shit.

Anyone that can't emulate Evander Holyfield is garbage.

you keep going around in circles yet don't put any real reason to why Haye is a special exception and should be given the excuse of him being too small, yet guys like Ruiz, Chagaev, Imbragimov, Brewster, and even Tua don't get the same sympathy, say whatever makes you feel better, but you're talking out your ass Fenster, and that is FACT

You're making yourself look stupid. Who said Haye should get a special exception?

Ruiz, Chagaev, Imbragimov, Brewster and Tua are proven heavyweights, right? They have had dozens of fights at heavyweight.

Haye started out at cruiserweight. He's had one fight at heavyweight since leaving the cruiserweight divison.

Valuev is 10 inches taller and 100lb heavier. That is a HUGE size advantage, no? So if Valuev beats Haye his SIZE will be a factor.

How the fuck is that hard to understand? Seriously....

you're right Haye's unproven as a HW, so then why the fuck has he been lined up for already 3 goddam title shots?

and apart from maybe the Klitschko's everyone is smaller than the damn Sasquatch, yet 3 other fighters (Ruiz, Chagaev, Holyfield) all handled him very well, you keep saying that Haye's lack of experience is gonna play a roll but experience and SIZE don't have anything to do with the other, he doesn't have much experience at the weight and he SHOULDN'T be getting a title shot, but he is, and if he crumbles it's not cause he wasn't PHYSICALLY able, do i have to spell it out in lights for you with big flashing arrows for you to kinda get the picture?

other small heavies have dealt with him fine, and regardless of his experience at the division he's already built up to a heavyweight and isn't killing himself to get into shape, oh wait he's coming off a back injury

[Fenster]

you keep going around in circles yet don't put any real reason to why Haye is a special exception and should be given the excuse of him being too small, yet guys like Ruiz, Chagaev, Imbragimov, Brewster, and even Tua don't get the same sympathy, say whatever makes you feel better, but you're talking out your ass Fenster, and that is FACT

You're making yourself look stupid. Who said Haye should get a special exception?

Ruiz, Chagaev, Imbragimov, Brewster and Tua are proven heavyweights, right? They have had dozens of fights at heavyweight.

Haye started out at cruiserweight. He's had one fight at heavyweight since leaving the cruiserweight divison.

Valuev is 10 inches taller and 100lb heavier. That is a HUGE size advantage, no? So if Valuev beats Haye his SIZE will be a factor.

How the fuck is that hard to understand? Seriously....

you're right Haye's unproven as a HW, so then why the fuck has he been lined up for already 3 goddam title shots?

and apart from maybe the Klitschko's everyone is smaller than the damn Sasquatch, yet 3 other fighters (Ruiz, Chagaev, Holyfield) all handled him very well, you keep saying that Haye's lack of experience is gonna play a roll but experience and SIZE don't have anything to do with the other, he doesn't have much experience at the weight and he SHOULDN'T be getting a title shot, but he is, and if he crumbles it's not cause he wasn't PHYSICALLY able, do i have to spell it out in lights for you with big flashing arrows for you to kinda get the picture?

other small heavies have dealt with him fine, and regardless of his experience at the division he's already built up to a heavyweight and isn't killing himself to get into shape, oh wait he's coming off a back injury

The reason he's got the title shot is - he's young and exciting and willing to take the money they offered and seen as BEATABLE by both Klits and Valuev.

It's not rocket science, for fucks sake. Your problem should be with Valuev and the Klits for giving him the shot not Haye for taking it.

I've not said a thing about Haye's "lack of experience." I'm purley talking about size difference.

If a man is 10 inches taller and 100lb heavier he has a SIZE advantage that will be a factor in a fight. Simple as.

[WelshDevilRob]

Haye wins this fight - Of that I'm certain. Nothing against 'Big' Nikolai but he is going to have a frightening shock when Hayes super fast bombs hit him from all angles.

I can see Haye doing the moving back and around the ring like Chagaev - keeping out of harms way and then landing a few eye catching shots every round. (without any real commitment to engage) The thing is Haye will hit harder and quicker than Chagaev ever could.

It's gonna be interesting to see how both men handle getting hit - Haye is largely untested at this weight while there aren't really any noted hitters on Valuev's resume.

Both have been out of the ring for approximately a year and the effect could be worse on Haye who relies more on his speed and reflexes than Valuev.

I know Haye has tried to get under the skin of Valuev but I don't think it will work - the man will just fight his usual fight - no surprises. It's up to Haye to have a game plan and execute it and bring a Plan B.

Valuev isn't easy to beat - the sheer size of him causes problems. I do think Haye will KO him but I expect the first few rounds to be pretty quiet. When Haye hurts him in those middle rounds - he will finish him off.

I expect to feel the tremors in my living room in Wales.