Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

[johnmaff36]

Depends if Haye can fight for 3mins of every round. If so, and hes ok with his stamina, then its possible he can beat him cos Valuev aint no great shakes. HOWEVER, i question Hayes ability to fight for 12rounds, 3mins a round so my £10 will be on a Valuev win in R10. Or thereabouts. Like to see Haye win as theres a side to him that our American friends have yet to see. Seems like a nice enough guy. Forget all the shouting and shit, thats all to sell tickets.

I don't know that term, what does it mean?

It just means that hes very ordinary and nothing special.

[Mark TKO]

the more I think about this I believe Haye can win a UD over there. I know how difficult it can be to get a decision over there but if he keeps his head and sticks to his gameplan he can give them no choice.

Recklessness and not being in 12 round condition is the only way he can lose this.

However despite how clumsy, and lacking in natural ability, Valuev is let's be honest if Haye can knock him out it will be sensational - and get people talking about the heavies again.

[Conrad]

I would LOVE to be wrong though, as nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing Haye's annoying smirk wiped off his face as his ridiculously buff body gets smashed to the canvas.

PMSL Bilbo, that made me laugh. You always have some kind hatred/envy towards good looking boxers with good physiques...

It really does seem to eat away at you!

[Conrad]

It's in Germany. Haye needs a knockout just to get a draw over there. FACT.

Hey KL, you read that book yet in your avatar? I read about it in the paper last week and was thinking about getting it for my old man for Xmas.

After I've read it first of course...

[smashup]

the more I think about this I believe Haye can win a UD over there. I know how difficult it can be to get a decision over there but if he keeps his head and sticks to his gameplan he can give them no choice.

Recklessness and not being in 12 round condition is the only way he can lose this.

However despite how clumsy, and lacking in natural ability, Valuev is let's be honest if Haye can knock him out it will be sensational - and get people talking about the heavies again.

I agree and think Haye will win this and history tells us that Valuev finds the smaller faster fighters difficult

Haye could even force a stoppage here

If you can find a way around his freakish size then for me Valuev really is two bob. Fact

[Kev]

the more I think about this I believe Haye can win a UD over there. I know how difficult it can be to get a decision over there but if he keeps his head and sticks to his gameplan he can give them no choice.

Recklessness and not being in 12 round condition is the only way he can lose this.

However despite how clumsy, and lacking in natural ability, Valuev is let's be honest if Haye can knock him out it will be sensational - and get people talking about the heavies again.

I agree and think Haye will win this and history tells us that Valuev finds the smaller faster fighters difficult

Haye could even force a stoppage here

If you can find a way around his freakish size then for me Valuev really is two bob. Fact

History tells us that Valuev finds any fighter ranked in the top 50 difficult

[El Kabong]

Haye probably pulls this one off, but I think there will be some scary moments for him....like when Valuev first hits him in the back of the head and that WILL happen.

[Kev]

Am I alone in thinking that if Haye doesn't make easy work of Valuev he's pretty much exposed?

Valuev has beaten nobody of note. His best win is against John Ruiz, and that took him two tries and even the Germans thought Ruiz beat him first time around.

He's beaten only complete jobbers. His best win was against a woeful Segei lyakhovich who fought a dreadful dreadful fight that night.

Chagaev beat him easily and he should have lost to Evander Holyfield. I mean come on, would ANYBODY in the top 20 lose to Evander Holyfield now?

Valuev is worse than Primo Carnero, he's only better than Tye Fields because he has a chin.

He's a complete joke of a world champion and Haye, even at 100 lbs and 7 inches smaller should be able to smash him.

As Valuev is so much bigger I won't demand Haye blows him out in a few rounds, but if he doesn't win virtually round and win them with ease I don't see how he can be considered anything like a threat to the Klitschko's.

Wlad and Vitali would not lose a round to Valuev.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Am I alone in thinking that if Haye doesn't make easy work of Valuev he's pretty much exposed?

Valuev has beaten nobody of note. His best win is against John Ruiz, and that took him two tries and even the Germans thought Ruiz beat him first time around.

He's beaten only complete jobbers. His best win was against a woeful Segei lyakhovich who fought a dreadful dreadful fight that night.

Chagaev beat him easily and he should have lost to Evander Holyfield. I mean come on, would ANYBODY in the top 20 lose to Evander Holyfield now?

Valuev is worse than Primo Carnero, he's only better than Tye Fields because he has a chin.

He's a complete joke of a world champion and Haye, even at 100 lbs and 7 inches smaller should be able to smash him.

As Valuev is so much bigger I won't demand Haye blows him out in a few rounds, but if he doesn't win virtually round and win them with ease I don't see how he can be considered anything like a threat to the Klitschko's.

Wlad and Vitali would not lose a round to Valuev.

ummmm you really need to make up your mind, is the Ruiz win or the Lyakhovich his biggest win? lol

[TigerFan]

I hope Haye wins, so we don't have to sit through Valuev-Ruiz III.

I wouldn't be surprised if Valuev stopped a tired Haye late in the fight but I reckon he'll avoid punching himself out and win on points.

[rjj tszyu]

Am I alone in thinking that if Haye doesn't make easy work of Valuev he's pretty much exposed?

Valuev has beaten nobody of note. His best win is against John Ruiz, and that took him two tries and even the Germans thought Ruiz beat him first time around.

He's beaten only complete jobbers. His best win was against a woeful Segei lyakhovich who fought a dreadful dreadful fight that night.

Chagaev beat him easily and he should have lost to Evander Holyfield. I mean come on, would ANYBODY in the top 20 lose to Evander Holyfield now?

Valuev is worse than Primo Carnero, he's only better than Tye Fields because he has a chin.

He's a complete joke of a world champion and Haye, even at 100 lbs and 7 inches smaller should be able to smash him.

As Valuev is so much bigger I won't demand Haye blows him out in a few rounds, but if he doesn't win virtually round and win them with ease I don't see how he can be considered anything like a threat to the Klitschko's.

Wlad and Vitali would not lose a round to Valuev.

No i agree, Haye needs to make easy work to prove he has got what it takes. By this I don't mean KO Valuev in the first 20 seconds but I do mean never really look in any trouble with him. I think he will look good though and I see a mid to late stoppage.

[Fenster]

Am I alone in thinking that if Haye doesn't make easy work of Valuev he's pretty much exposed?

Not really.

Even if Haye loses (without being done in 1 round or something humiliating) would you completely right him off against the likes of -

Adamek
Arreola
Povetkin

Haye vs these types of smaller guys would still be exciting unpredictable fights, no?

Hardly anyone gives him a chance against the Klits anyway. He'd have to KO Valuev in pretty spectacular fashion to make people think he is a serious threat to those two.

[Kirkland Laing]

It's in Germany. Haye needs a knockout just to get a draw over there. FACT.

Hey KL, you read that book yet in your avatar? I read about it in the paper last week and was thinking about getting it for my old man for Xmas.

After I've read it first of course...

I won't get to read it for a while probably. When I do I'll let you know.

[killersheep]

the more I think about this I believe Haye can win a UD over there. I know how difficult it can be to get a decision over there but if he keeps his head and sticks to his gameplan he can give them no choice.

Recklessness and not being in 12 round condition is the only way he can lose this.

However despite how clumsy, and lacking in natural ability, Valuev is let's be honest if Haye can knock him out it will be sensational - and get people talking about the heavies again.

I agree and think Haye will win this and history tells us that Valuev finds the smaller faster fighters difficult

Haye could even force a stoppage here

If you can find a way around his freakish size then for me Valuev really is two bob. Fact

History tells us that Valuev finds any fighter ranked in the top 50 difficult

History tells us everyone is smaller and faster than Valuev.

[El Kabong]

Not really.

Even if Haye loses (without being done in 1 round or something humiliating) would you completely right him off against the likes of -

Adamek
Arreola
Povetkin

Haye vs these types of smaller guys would still be exciting unpredictable fights, no?.

#1 I don't rate Adamek as a true heavyweight just yet...who's to say if Golota even trained for that fight. Let Adamek handle someone a little fresher and we'll see how he does.
#2 I would write Haye off vs Povetkin simply because although Alex seems pretty chinny to me, he is still a very solid boxer.
#3 We'll have to see how Arreola reacts to losing before we pass judgement on that fight.

I think Haye has talent, he's got decent handspeed (though he does loop his punches too much), he has good pop so far, and he is always in shape...but I think his style is horrible, his defense and chin are suspect, and he hasn't shown me he can do much boxing. David Haye WILL NOT win moving backwards vs any of the big boys...if you move backwards vs them you're moving into the red zone, you have to stay close and negate the height and reach advantage.

I think David Haye is far more concerned with how he looks winning as opposed to how he's going to win, and because of that I think he's in for a rough night.