Haye-Valuev - Who wins? Fact.

**Fenster** · 11-03-2009 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Am I alone in thinking that if Haye doesn't make easy work of Valuev he's pretty much exposed?

Not really.

Even if Haye loses (without being done in 1 round or something humiliating) would you completely right him off against the likes of -

Adamek
Arreola
Povetkin

Haye vs these types of smaller guys would still be exciting unpredictable fights, no?

Hardly anyone gives him a chance against the Klits anyway. He'd have to KO Valuev in pretty spectacular fashion to make people think he is a serious threat to those two.

El Kabong · 11-03-2009 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Fenster

Not really.

Even if Haye loses (without being done in 1 round or something humiliating) would you completely right him off against the likes of -

Adamek
Arreola
Povetkin

Haye vs these types of smaller guys would still be exciting unpredictable fights, no?.

#1 I don't rate Adamek as a true heavyweight just yet...who's to say if Golota even trained for that fight. Let Adamek handle someone a little fresher and we'll see how he does.
#2 I would write Haye off vs Povetkin simply because although Alex seems pretty chinny to me, he is still a very solid boxer.
#3 We'll have to see how Arreola reacts to losing before we pass judgement on that fight.

I think Haye has talent, he's got decent handspeed (though he does loop his punches too much), he has good pop so far, and he is always in shape...but I think his style is horrible, his defense and chin are suspect, and he hasn't shown me he can do much boxing. David Haye WILL NOT win moving backwards vs any of the big boys...if you move backwards vs them you're moving into the red zone, you have to stay close and negate the height and reach advantage.

I think David Haye is far more concerned with how he looks winning as opposed to how he's going to win, and because of that I think he's in for a rough night.

**Mar** · 11-03-2009 08:05 PM

..didn't vote. Couldn't find the who cares button.

**Kev** · 11-04-2009 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Am I alone in thinking that if Haye doesn't make easy work of Valuev he's pretty much exposed?

Not really.

Even if Haye loses (without being done in 1 round or something humiliating) would you completely right him off against the likes of -

Adamek
Arreola
Povetkin

Haye vs these types of smaller guys would still be exciting unpredictable fights, no?

Hardly anyone gives him a chance against the Klits anyway. He'd have to KO Valuev in pretty spectacular fashion to make people think he is a serious threat to those two.

No I wouldn't be opposed to seeing those fights, but he would be effectively written off as a world title challenger.

I mean look at Arreola, Sam Peter, Tony Thompson etc. Who cares two shits about them now? They just don't have it, they have been exposed. The gap between the Klitschko's and everyone else is just too vast.

Unless Haye dominates Valuev he will just go straight into the list with Peter, Arreola etc and a fight with the Klits would have zero interest to me.

Does anyone get excited about a Klitschko fight? They are so far ahead of the opposition we know exactly what will happen, just a slow, steady, cautious beatdown of their opponent.......

If Haye wants to make it look like he can change all that he can't afford to lose much more than a round to Valuev imo, who is possibly the worst world champ in any weight class.

**HattonTheHammer** · 11-04-2009 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Am I alone in thinking that if Haye doesn't make easy work of Valuev he's pretty much exposed?

Not really.

Even if Haye loses (without being done in 1 round or something humiliating) would you completely right him off against the likes of -

Adamek
Arreola
Povetkin

Haye vs these types of smaller guys would still be exciting unpredictable fights, no?

Hardly anyone gives him a chance against the Klits anyway. He'd have to KO Valuev in pretty spectacular fashion to make people think he is a serious threat to those two.

No I wouldn't be opposed to seeing those fights, but he would be effectively written off as a world title challenger.

I mean look at Arreola, Sam Peter, Tony Thompson etc. Who cares two shits about them now? They just don't have it, they have been exposed. The gap between the Klitschko's and everyone else is just too vast.

Unless Haye dominates Valuev he will just go straight into the list with Peter, Arreola etc and a fight with the Klits would have zero interest to me.

Does anyone get excited about a Klitschko fight? They are so far ahead of the opposition we know exactly what will happen, just a slow, steady, cautious beatdown of their opponent.......

If Haye wants to make it look like he can change all that he can't afford to lose much more than a round to Valuev imo, who is possibly the worst world champ in any weight class.

The lack of interest with the klitschkos is due to several factors not just the fact they are miles ahead of the pack.

They arent exactly great on the eye ala:tyson, dont have a list of talented fighters to see off ala:lewis and refuse to fight eachother despite the clear fact they are indeed the best 2 fighters in boxings premiere division.

**Youngblood** · 11-04-2009 07:09 AM