KO Percentages Question

[Kev]

was it corrales intelligence to spit his gum shield out or simply instinct ... hard to tell, look at how tyson scrambled round on the floor for his wasting most of the ten count against buster douglas... i doubt that just after being knocked down for the second time he was thinking about trying to buy the odd second by spitting the mouth piece out

im pretty sure you will agree then that corrales - castillo shouldnt go down as a 'ko' but a tko, there was no count as the referee intervened

what makes this different than the pac - diaz fight or the pac - hatton fight

in both cases it was game over, there was no coming back

i dont neccesarilly agree with this technicality, and it doesnt affect the fighter in anyway i was simply answering the question in the way i see it

it does work the other way too, look at Benn - Mclellan, ruled as a KO in the record books although he took a knee and allowed himself to be counted out he wasnt brutally put down in the way hatton or david diaz were

Yeah but it seems your implying, or regard a KO as better than a TKO, hence Marquez 'not deserving a ko'.

I'm just saying they are the same thing. There is no greater glory for winning by KO than there is by TKO, in fact if I named 10 recent fights that ended in a stoppage you'd probably be hard pressed to accurately pick which were KO's and which were TKO's, hell I expect even the fighters themselves would often not know.

It's all the same, sure there are bullshit stoppages occasionally and we can argue them, but generally, and in the case of JM Marquez against Diaz, Floyd against Hatton, Mosely against Margarito and Coralles against Castillo, they all knocked their opponent out.

Whether its in the record books as TKO or KO, it is completely the same thing.

[hitmanhatton]

was it corrales intelligence to spit his gum shield out or simply instinct ... hard to tell, look at how tyson scrambled round on the floor for his wasting most of the ten count against buster douglas... i doubt that just after being knocked down for the second time he was thinking about trying to buy the odd second by spitting the mouth piece out

im pretty sure you will agree then that corrales - castillo shouldnt go down as a 'ko' but a tko, there was no count as the referee intervened

what makes this different than the pac - diaz fight or the pac - hatton fight

in both cases it was game over, there was no coming back

i dont neccesarilly agree with this technicality, and it doesnt affect the fighter in anyway i was simply answering the question in the way i see it

it does work the other way too, look at Benn - Mclellan, ruled as a KO in the record books although he took a knee and allowed himself to be counted out he wasnt brutally put down in the way hatton or david diaz were

Yeah but it seems your implying, or regard a KO as better than a TKO, hence Marquez 'not deserving a ko'.

I'm just saying they are the same thing. There is no greater glory for winning by KO than there is by TKO, in fact if I named 10 recent fights that ended in a stoppage you'd probably be hard pressed to accurately pick which were KO's and which were TKO's, hell I expect even the fighters themselves would often not know.

It's all the same, sure there are bullshit stoppages occasionally and we can argue them, but generally, and in the case of JM Marquez against Diaz, Floyd against Hatton, Mosely against Margarito and Coralles against Castillo, they all knocked their opponent out.

Whether its in the record books as TKO or KO, it is completely the same thing.

ok i agree that deserve is probably the wrong word to use, but should it be listed in the same way.... and i agree a knockout is a knockout unless were talking calzaghe manfredo , but the question regarded facts and figures

[miron_lang]

Whether its in the record books as TKO or KO, it is completely the same thing.

I agree Bilbo Baggins.

[JazMerkin]

They very rarely do the full 10 count now as if it's clear the guy isn't getting up they try to get the medical teams in there asap. I don't know how they determine if one is a KO or TKO. Look at Hatton's knockouts. The Pacquiao one was waved off by Kenny Bayless as it was clear Hatton wasn't getting up, but I also doubt he would have got up from the Mayweather one, but that becomes a TKO as Cortez stepped in Mayweather's way as Hatton hit the canvas.

[hitmanhatton]

Whether its in the record books as TKO or KO, it is completely the same thing.

I agree Bilbo Baggins.

still the question was about HOW these fights are recorded ... not how they SHOULD be