Could Cotto have ever won?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

As per title, do you think that Cotto in any way could have won the fight or was he always going to lose?

My thoughts are that in the early stages, behind the jab he looks excellent. He was catching Pacquiao and looked composed. He then wrecklessly tried to prove some point by banging with Pac and got clipped and went down.

That in itself was not a big knockdown and after he looked composed again, but the in the fourth decided to trade and took that great left and was never the same after it.

IMO he fought an awful fight. He made so many errors that for a great boxer are really strange. He comes across as intelligent but showed alot of stupidity in his tactics, no real composure and poor judgement.

On another day and with another trainer I believe he may have given a better account of himself and I'm sure that he is sorely disappointed, not about the loss, but in the manner of it. He didn't give himself the opportunity to win by fighting to his strengths.

I believe I said something long these lines on another thread.....which got ignored

He 'lost' it in round 4 in which he was clearly winning till he went for it big and got dropped hard. Once they both knew he could be hurt it changed the fight greatly. I do wonder how the cards would have looked if Cotto had then gone on the back foot and looked to nick the rounds rather than fight for them. 90% of the board would have called him a chicken whilst the rest of us would have applauded his ability to switch styles.

[Dark Lord Al]

As per title, do you think that Cotto in any way could have won the fight or was he always going to lose?

My thoughts are that in the early stages, behind the jab he looks excellent. He was catching Pacquiao and looked composed. He then wrecklessly tried to prove some point by banging with Pac and got clipped and went down.

That in itself was not a big knockdown and after he looked composed again, but the in the fourth decided to trade and took that great left and was never the same after it.

IMO he fought an awful fight. He made so many errors that for a great boxer are really strange. He comes across as intelligent but showed alot of stupidity in his tactics, no real composure and poor judgement.

On another day and with another trainer I believe he may have given a better account of himself and I'm sure that he is sorely disappointed, not about the loss, but in the manner of it. He didn't give himself the opportunity to win by fighting to his strengths.

I believe I said something long these lines on another thread.....which got ignored

He 'lost' it in round 4 in which he was clearly winning till he went for it big and got dropped hard. Once they both knew he could be hurt it changed the fight greatly. I do wonder how the cards would have looked if Cotto had then gone on the back foot and looked to nick the rounds rather than fight for them. 90% of the board would have called him a chicken whilst the rest of us would have applauded his ability to switch styles.

Did Miguel change his style ? or was he forced to by a superior fighter ?
In my mind Missy i think it was the latter.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

As per title, do you think that Cotto in any way could have won the fight or was he always going to lose?

My thoughts are that in the early stages, behind the jab he looks excellent. He was catching Pacquiao and looked composed. He then wrecklessly tried to prove some point by banging with Pac and got clipped and went down.

That in itself was not a big knockdown and after he looked composed again, but the in the fourth decided to trade and took that great left and was never the same after it.

IMO he fought an awful fight. He made so many errors that for a great boxer are really strange. He comes across as intelligent but showed alot of stupidity in his tactics, no real composure and poor judgement.

On another day and with another trainer I believe he may have given a better account of himself and I'm sure that he is sorely disappointed, not about the loss, but in the manner of it. He didn't give himself the opportunity to win by fighting to his strengths.

I believe I said something long these lines on another thread.....which got ignored

He 'lost' it in round 4 in which he was clearly winning till he went for it big and got dropped hard. Once they both knew he could be hurt it changed the fight greatly. I do wonder how the cards would have looked if Cotto had then gone on the back foot and looked to nick the rounds rather than fight for them. 90% of the board would have called him a chicken whilst the rest of us would have applauded his ability to switch styles.

Did Miguel change his style ? or was he forced to by a superior fighter ?
In my mind Missy i think it was the latter.

That's what adapting means you pug.

[Althugz]

As per title, do you think that Cotto in any way could have won the fight or was he always going to lose?

My thoughts are that in the early stages, behind the jab he looks excellent. He was catching Pacquiao and looked composed. He then wrecklessly tried to prove some point by banging with Pac and got clipped and went down.

That in itself was not a big knockdown and after he looked composed again, but the in the fourth decided to trade and took that great left and was never the same after it.

IMO he fought an awful fight. He made so many errors that for a great boxer are really strange. He comes across as intelligent but showed alot of stupidity in his tactics, no real composure and poor judgement.

On another day and with another trainer I believe he may have given a better account of himself and I'm sure that he is sorely disappointed, not about the loss, but in the manner of it. He didn't give himself the opportunity to win by fighting to his strengths.

I believe I said something long these lines on another thread.....which got ignored

He 'lost' it in round 4 in which he was clearly winning till he went for it big and got dropped hard. Once they both knew he could be hurt it changed the fight greatly. I do wonder how the cards would have looked if Cotto had then gone on the back foot and looked to nick the rounds rather than fight for them. 90% of the board would have called him a chicken whilst the rest of us would have applauded his ability to switch styles.

I agree with you completely Missy -That 4th round knockdown was the fight changer. Cotto was cool, composed and dealing with the Pacman until then.

He lost something after that knockdown. Maybe it was fear - I dunno but I was shocked with Manny. I can't take nothing away from him. Truely amazing. I don't think I'll ever bet against Manny again, maybe not even in the Mayweather fight!

On another topic I think Floyd Sr is right about the Pac Man being on "something" but hey that's another arguement for another day Innocent until proven guilty - Right now I think Manny has done amazing things in the boxing world

[Dark Lord Al]

As per title, do you think that Cotto in any way could have won the fight or was he always going to lose?

My thoughts are that in the early stages, behind the jab he looks excellent. He was catching Pacquiao and looked composed. He then wrecklessly tried to prove some point by banging with Pac and got clipped and went down.

That in itself was not a big knockdown and after he looked composed again, but the in the fourth decided to trade and took that great left and was never the same after it.

IMO he fought an awful fight. He made so many errors that for a great boxer are really strange. He comes across as intelligent but showed alot of stupidity in his tactics, no real composure and poor judgement.

On another day and with another trainer I believe he may have given a better account of himself and I'm sure that he is sorely disappointed, not about the loss, but in the manner of it. He didn't give himself the opportunity to win by fighting to his strengths.

I believe I said something long these lines on another thread.....which got ignored

He 'lost' it in round 4 in which he was clearly winning till he went for it big and got dropped hard. Once they both knew he could be hurt it changed the fight greatly. I do wonder how the cards would have looked if Cotto had then gone on the back foot and looked to nick the rounds rather than fight for them. 90% of the board would have called him a chicken whilst the rest of us would have applauded his ability to switch styles.

I agree with you completely Missy -That 4th round knockdown was the fight changer. Cotto was cool, composed and dealing with the Pacman until then.

He lost something after that knockdown. Maybe it was fear - I dunno but I was shocked with Manny. I can't take nothing away from him. Truely amazing. I don't think I'll ever bet against Manny again, maybe not even in the Mayweather fight!

On another topic I think Floyd Sr is right about the Pac Man being on "something" but hey that's another arguement for another day Innocent until proven guilty - Right now I think Manny has done amazing things in the boxing world

Since when did anyone take "Predator" seriously anyway , when hes out of the spotlight for the right reasons , he has to try to get into the spotlight for all the wrong reasons , face facts Floyd " PRUNEFACE " Sr, is a bitter old twat.

[fan johnny]

As per title, do you think that Cotto in any way could have won the fight or was he always going to lose?

My thoughts are that in the early stages, behind the jab he looks excellent. He was catching Pacquiao and looked composed. He then wrecklessly tried to prove some point by banging with Pac and got clipped and went down.

That in itself was not a big knockdown and after he looked composed again, but the in the fourth decided to trade and took that great left and was never the same after it.

IMO he fought an awful fight. He made so many errors that for a great boxer are really strange. He comes across as intelligent but showed alot of stupidity in his tactics, no real composure and poor judgement.

On another day and with another trainer I believe he may have given a better account of himself and I'm sure that he is sorely disappointed, not about the loss, but in the manner of it. He didn't give himself the opportunity to win by fighting to his strengths.

I believe I said something long these lines on another thread.....which got ignored

He 'lost' it in round 4 in which he was clearly winning till he went for it big and got dropped hard. Once they both knew he could be hurt it changed the fight greatly. I do wonder how the cards would have looked if Cotto had then gone on the back foot and looked to nick the rounds rather than fight for them. 90% of the board would have called him a chicken whilst the rest of us would have applauded his ability to switch styles.

I agree with you completely Missy -That 4th round knockdown was the fight changer. Cotto was cool, composed and dealing with the Pacman until then.

He lost something after that knockdown. Maybe it was fear - I dunno but I was shocked with Manny. I can't take nothing away from him. Truely amazing. I don't think I'll ever bet against Manny again, maybe not even in the Mayweather fight!

On another topic I think Floyd Sr is right about the Pac Man being on "something" but hey that's another arguement for another day Innocent until proven guilty - Right now I think Manny has done amazing things in the boxing world

Confidence! is what Cotto lost in the 4th.

[Jesse James]

Cotto was robbed! He was about to KO Manny any second until the damn ref stepped in and stopped the fight. Miguel had him right where he wanted him, it was all part of his plan. Damn that Bayliss!!!!!

[Nameless]

I said it and will say it again: We'll never know if Cotto could have won. However, with a good trainer and not a newbee who was panicking during some rounds and who couldn't give good advices to Cotto as how to redirect the shooting, things could have been MUCH more competitive.

[gest12645]

of course Cotto could have won. He was doing well early on , and if he wouldn't be knocked down it would be a different fight. Still , I'd pick Pacman. I still got Cotto in the top 10 (at 10) P4P , how about you?

[RozzySean]

If if if if....yeah, I think with a better camp and a better corner, he certainly would have made a closer fight. I still think Pac would have won on points, but Cotto the 4th round knockdown was the fight changer. I thought that Cotto would be able to hurt Pac when he landed, and Cotto probably thought the same thing. Wrong.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

I feel he was winning the latter rounds by running and potshotting. Pac was landing hardly anything from the 10th on . He would have had to run the whole fight like dirrell or floyd.

[Violent Demise]

No. I had Cotto winning beforehand cuz I didn't think Pacquiao could take his power. Once it became obvious that he could it was over for Cotto. Boxing is not Cotto's greatest strength. It was only a matter of time before Pacquiao broke him down.

[cleveland steamer]

Wow the obvious escapes some people somehow.. Anyone watching the fight could tell that Pac was standing there letting Cotto tee off in the first couple of rounds.. the side to side movement wasnt there like he normally does in every fight and he didnt attack from the first round. Those were the obvious clues. So he let Cotto "be in the fight" until he felt like it there was nothing else to prove and went on the attack, which he revealed in the post fight press conference. Taking nothing away from Cotto as Im a big fan of his now, he banged with the best and it takes balls to do that.. lets just hope he doesnt turn into De Lahoya and start talking out of his ass later.

[Pugilistic]

No. I had Cotto winning beforehand cuz I didn't think Pacquiao could take his power. Once it became obvious that he could it was over for Cotto. Boxing is not Cotto's greatest strength. It was only a matter of time before Pacquiao broke him down.

Agreed.

I picked Cotto because i didn't think the small Pacquiao could deal with his power.

After watching the fight for a few rounds, i knew it was over for Cotto.

[BoxingChaos]

Cotto could have won if he only would have gone to the nuts a few times. Everyone knows Manny has big nuts. The both times Manny was stopped were caused by low blows.

Damn you Cotto

He went from low blotto to running man

Where was that cheating Cotto I once knew?