How is it possible to win a 147 title belt below the welterweight limit?

[Kev]

I think you guys are just covering yourselves in red tape and letting rules and regulations blind you to common sense.

The fact that Manny fought Cotto at 145 really made no difference to our enjoyment of the fight.

The important thing is that the best fight the best where possible not that the rules and regulations of a sanctioning body or the strict traditions of a weight class get fully adhered to.

We are human beings not objects. None of us live permanently and only at one fixed weight who really gives a fuck if Manny and Floyd weigh 145 lbs when they fight or 147 lbs?

As long as it's not detrimental to either fighter to lose more weight than they are safely able to I don't care what weight they fight at, I just want to see the fight.

The weight classes exist to allow smaller fighters to fight for world titles against fighters of their own weight, and thus to recognised as the best in the world in their class.

Manny and Floyd have ALREADY proven themselves the best in the world in their weight class, we don't need a sanctioning belt to tell us that. Both Floyd and Manny have been succesful in multiple weight classes so let them fight at whatever weights they want.

As long as neither fighter is drained I really don't see why anyone gives a shit.

Well the thread topic is about the title and it's relativity to actual weight so yeah. Red tape suits for all!

But the 147 lb limit is the MAX limit not the limit they have to fight at. A fighter can weigh in anywhere between 141 and 147 and its a legit weltweight fight under the rules.

A fighter is free to weighh within those limits but not under 140 and not over 147.

As I said in a previous post when the Cotto Manny fight was announced any agreement between Manny and Floyd about catchweight is seperate from the sanctioning body.

If Floyd agrees to come in at 145 and actually weighs 147 it won't mean the fight gets stopped, he won't have broken any sanctioning body rules and he is free to fight at 147.

However, he will have violated a private contract signed between himself and Manny and under those terms would be bound to meet any penalties owing for infracting that stipulation, most likely a fine or cut of profits.

It was the same with his fight with Marquez. He agreed 145 lbs, he didn't even try and make that weight and instead came in at 147 anyway. The sanctioning body don't care at all as he made weight according to their rules but he had to pay Marquez a couple million dollars for violating their private agreement.

Personally I'm all in favour of fighters having the power to negotiate their own contracts and wieght arrangements. Anything that helps faciliate the process of the big fights being made should be applauded.

It's not the weight classes that make boxing, its the fighters.

[killersheep]

I think you guys are just covering yourselves in red tape and letting rules and regulations blind you to common sense.

The fact that Manny fought Cotto at 145 really made no difference to our enjoyment of the fight.

The important thing is that the best fight the best where possible not that the rules and regulations of a sanctioning body or the strict traditions of a weight class get fully adhered to.

We are human beings not objects. None of us live permanently and only at one fixed weight who really gives a fuck if Manny and Floyd weigh 145 lbs when they fight or 147 lbs?

As long as it's not detrimental to either fighter to lose more weight than they are safely able to I don't care what weight they fight at, I just want to see the fight.

The weight classes exist to allow smaller fighters to fight for world titles against fighters of their own weight, and thus to recognised as the best in the world in their class.

Manny and Floyd have ALREADY proven themselves the best in the world in their weight class, we don't need a sanctioning belt to tell us that. Both Floyd and Manny have been succesful in multiple weight classes so let them fight at whatever weights they want.

As long as neither fighter is drained I really don't see why anyone gives a shit.

Well the thread topic is about the title and it's relativity to actual weight so yeah. Red tape suits for all!

But the 147 lb limit is the MAX limit not the limit they have to fight at. A fighter can weigh in anywhere between 141 and 147 and its a legit weltweight fight under the rules.

A fighter is free to weighh within those limits but not under 140 and not over 147.

As I said in a previous post when the Cotto Manny fight was announced any agreement between Manny and Floyd about catchweight is seperate from the sanctioning body.

If Floyd agrees to come in at 145 and actually weighs 147 it won't mean the fight gets stopped, he won't have broken any sanctioning body rules and he is free to fight at 147.

However, he will have violated a private contract signed between himself and Manny and under those terms would be bound to meet any penalties owing for infracting that stipulation, most likely a fine or cut of profits.

It was the same with his fight with Marquez. He agreed 145 lbs, he didn't even try and make that weight and instead came in at 147 anyway. The sanctioning body don't care at all as he made weight according to their rules but he had to pay Marquez a couple million dollars for violating their private agreement.

Personally I'm all in favour of fighters having the power to negotiate their own contracts and wieght arrangements. Anything that helps faciliate the process of the big fights being made should be applauded.

It's not the weight classes that make boxing, its the fighters.

Not sure why you replied to my post with that. I think you meant to reply to someone else maybe? Try reading my other posts on here.

[Pacdbest2]

I don't listen!!!

[Kev]

Well the thread topic is about the title and it's relativity to actual weight so yeah. Red tape suits for all!

But the 147 lb limit is the MAX limit not the limit they have to fight at. A fighter can weigh in anywhere between 141 and 147 and its a legit weltweight fight under the rules.

A fighter is free to weighh within those limits but not under 140 and not over 147.

As I said in a previous post when the Cotto Manny fight was announced any agreement between Manny and Floyd about catchweight is seperate from the sanctioning body.

If Floyd agrees to come in at 145 and actually weighs 147 it won't mean the fight gets stopped, he won't have broken any sanctioning body rules and he is free to fight at 147.

However, he will have violated a private contract signed between himself and Manny and under those terms would be bound to meet any penalties owing for infracting that stipulation, most likely a fine or cut of profits.

It was the same with his fight with Marquez. He agreed 145 lbs, he didn't even try and make that weight and instead came in at 147 anyway. The sanctioning body don't care at all as he made weight according to their rules but he had to pay Marquez a couple million dollars for violating their private agreement.

Personally I'm all in favour of fighters having the power to negotiate their own contracts and wieght arrangements. Anything that helps faciliate the process of the big fights being made should be applauded.

It's not the weight classes that make boxing, its the fighters.

Not sure why you replied to my post with that. I think you meant to reply to someone else maybe? Try reading my other posts on here.

Killer you should know by now I don't read other people's replies.

As soon as I've posted I'm off writing my follow up

[0james0]

Are people still complaining that Pac won the belt unfairly because he didn't fight at exactly 147?

Not sure what isn't sinking in? He could have been 141 and would have still been a worthy champion.

Cotto agreed to the catch weight as part of the deal to do the fight. He didn't have to agree to it.

I don't see the problem with catch weights, as long as it's within reason of the weight class. A 142 catch weight would have been a bit harsh and unfair.

Cotto didn't seem to struggle to make 145 and I think any idiot will know those 2lbs didn't make any difference. I think it was almost pointless putting the condition in!

[TheBranMan]

Are people still complaining that Pac won the belt unfairly because he didn't fight at exactly 147?

Not sure what isn't sinking in? He could have been 141 and would have still been a worthy champion.

Cotto agreed to the catch weight as part of the deal to do the fight. He didn't have to agree to it.

I don't see the problem with catch weights, as long as it's within reason of the weight class. A 142 catch weight would have been a bit harsh and unfair.

Cotto didn't seem to struggle to make 145 and I think any idiot will know those 2lbs didn't make any difference. I think it was almost pointless putting the condition in!

We'll never know if the 2lbs would've make a difference and it's impossible for anyone to say otherwise. What deal was made with Cotto is done. I'm talking about Mayweather. He shouldn't have to fight at a catch weight just to appease 'the great manny pacquiao'. Pac has been given enough concessions. Lets see the fight at 147 (where welterweight title bouts are usually held) and let the winner take all.