Should we abolish the Royal family?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

the divide between rich and poor HAS grown.

social mobility has DECREASED.

If you're born poor you are less likely to ever change that.


The monachy is not directly responsible for that. Government and our own attitudes are.

This is a different issue to that of the monachy.

[HattonTheHammer]

the divide between rich and poor HAS grown.

social mobility has DECREASED.

If you're born poor you are less likely to ever change that.


The monachy is not directly responsible for that. Government and our own attitudes are.

This is a different issue to that of the monachy.

Thats complete b*llocks

50 years ago if you were born poor yes indeed the chances of you making it were slim to none

But in this day and age stockbrokers, bank managers etc come from all spectrums of our great land.

If your 45 and living off welfare its not the f*cking royal familys fault or even the fact society hasnt given you a chance. The options out there are endless its just about being ruthless enough to take them when they come along!!

[Howlin Mad Missy]

the divide between rich and poor HAS grown.

social mobility has DECREASED.

If you're born poor you are less likely to ever change that.


The monachy is not directly responsible for that. Government and our own attitudes are.

This is a different issue to that of the monachy.

Thats complete b*llocks

50 years ago if you were born poor yes indeed the chances of you making it were slim to none

But in this day and age stockbrokers, bank managers etc come from all spectrums of our great land.

If your 45 and living off welfare its not the f*cking royal familys fault or even the fact society hasnt given you a chance. The options out there are endless its just about being ruthless enough to take them when they come along!!

No.

Britain's closed shop: damning report on social mobility failings | Society | The Guardian

and if you dont trust the lefty Guardian.

Disturbing finding from LSE study - social mobility in Britain lower than other advanced countries and declining - 2005 - News archive - News - Press and Information Office - External Relations Division - Home

Try the LSE
In a comparison of eight European and North American countries, Britain and the United States have the lowest social mobility
Social mobility in Britain has declined whereas in the US it is stable
Part of the reason for Britain's decline has been that the better off have benefited disproportionately from increased educational opportunity


And if it wasn't an issue we wouldnt need organisations like this.
Social Mobility Foundation

[Kirkland Laing]

the divide between rich and poor HAS grown.

social mobility has DECREASED.

If you're born poor you are less likely to ever change that.


The monachy is not directly responsible for that. Government and our own attitudes are.

This is a different issue to that of the monachy.

Thats complete b*llocks

50 years ago if you were born poor yes indeed the chances of you making it were slim to none

But in this day and age stockbrokers, bank managers etc come from all spectrums of our great land.

If your 45 and living off welfare its not the f*cking royal familys fault or even the fact society hasnt given you a chance. The options out there are endless its just about being ruthless enough to take them when they come along!!

No.

Britain's closed shop: damning report on social mobility failings | Society | The Guardian

and if you dont trust the lefty Guardian.

Disturbing finding from LSE study - social mobility in Britain lower than other advanced countries and declining - 2005 - News archive - News - Press and Information Office - External Relations Division - Home

Try the LSE
In a comparison of eight European and North American countries, Britain and the United States have the lowest social mobility
Social mobility in Britain has declined whereas in the US it is stable
Part of the reason for Britain's decline has been that the better off have benefited disproportionately from increased educational opportunity


And if it wasn't an issue we wouldnt need organisations like this.
Social Mobility Foundation

Yes, Britain and America are dead last in terms of social mobility in advanced economies. So it's not down to having a monarchy. And Denmark and Norway are top of the list for social mobility and they both have constitutional monarchies like we do. So having a monarchy has nothing to do with it. What creates social mobility is access to education. here's the lefty FT making the same point :

FT.com / Comment / Opinion - The mobile society stalls at the gates of academe

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Thats complete b*llocks

50 years ago if you were born poor yes indeed the chances of you making it were slim to none

But in this day and age stockbrokers, bank managers etc come from all spectrums of our great land.

If your 45 and living off welfare its not the f*cking royal familys fault or even the fact society hasnt given you a chance. The options out there are endless its just about being ruthless enough to take them when they come along!!

No.

Britain's closed shop: damning report on social mobility failings | Society | The Guardian

and if you dont trust the lefty Guardian.

Disturbing finding from LSE study - social mobility in Britain lower than other advanced countries and declining - 2005 - News archive - News - Press and Information Office - External Relations Division - Home

Try the LSE
In a comparison of eight European and North American countries, Britain and the United States have the lowest social mobility
Social mobility in Britain has declined whereas in the US it is stable
Part of the reason for Britain's decline has been that the better off have benefited disproportionately from increased educational opportunity


And if it wasn't an issue we wouldnt need organisations like this.
Social Mobility Foundation

Yes, Britain and America are dead last in terms of social mobility in advanced economies. So it's not down to having a monarchy. And Denmark and Norway are top of the list for social mobility and they both have constitutional monarchies like we do. So having a monarchy has nothing to do with it. What creates social mobility is access to education. here's the lefty FT making the same point :

FT.com / Comment / Opinion - The mobile society stalls at the gates of academe

I never made the direct correlation between the UK having a monarchy and social mobiltity. Social conformity and norms are more subtle than that.

AND access to education is not the 1 factor that allows S.M to take place.

[ryanman]

the divide between rich and poor HAS grown.

social mobility has DECREASED.

If you're born poor you are less likely to ever change that.


The monachy is not directly responsible for that. Government and our own attitudes are.

This is a different issue to that of the monachy.

Although i accept the monarchy doesn't have a DIRECT impact on social mobility or equality the issues are not entirely separate.
The Royal family sit at the head of a system of inequality. That is just as it is. It is this system that limits social mobility. But i actually agree with a part of what hammer said, it is easier now for someone 'to get on' in life than it has ever been.

I accept that losing the royal family wouldn't on its own make much practical difference. Which is why it is essentially a MORAL argument.

How can it be morally right for there to be some people sleeping in their palaces tonight, served by 100s of people, stomachs filled with the finest food, none of it paid for, whilst there are others more able and hard working that will consider themselves fortunate if they don't go to bed hungry - and all based on so called 'birth right'. How can this be right? How can it be supported?

[HattonTheHammer]

As an englishman everything you do day to day is all based around serving and protecting your queen and country

If you dont like living under a monarchy, dont live here, simple !!

[Howlin Mad Missy]

As an englishman everything you do day to day is all based around serving and protecting your queen and country

If you dont like living under a monarchy, dont live here, simple !!

you silly tart

[El Kabong]

As an englishman everything you do day to day is all based around serving and protecting your queen and country

If you dont like living under a monarchy, dont live here, simple !!

I can't decide if you Brits think you live in some fantasy wonderland with castles and dragonsor if you're all just a bunch of Mo's


....it's even more funny when you try to figure out which group the Chav's fit in.

[ono]

As an englishman everything you do day to day is all based around serving and protecting your queen and country

If you dont like living under a monarchy, dont live here, simple !!

Fuck me, we're as intelligent as Bees

[ono]

As an englishman everything you do day to day is all based around serving and protecting your queen and country

If you dont like living under a monarchy, dont live here, simple !!

Actually, where does wanking fall into that?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

As an englishman everything you do day to day is all based around serving and protecting your queen and country

If you dont like living under a monarchy, dont live here, simple !!

Actually, where does wanking fall into that?

Standing proud thinking of the Queen