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    Default Re: Should we abolish the Royal family?

    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy View Post
    the divide between rich and poor HAS grown.

    social mobility has DECREASED.

    If you're born poor you are less likely to ever change that.


    The monachy is not directly responsible for that. Government and our own attitudes are.

    This is a different issue to that of the monachy.

    Thats complete b*llocks

    50 years ago if you were born poor yes indeed the chances of you making it were slim to none

    But in this day and age stockbrokers, bank managers etc come from all spectrums of our great land.

    If your 45 and living off welfare its not the f*cking royal familys fault or even the fact society hasnt given you a chance. The options out there are endless its just about being ruthless enough to take them when they come along!!
    No.

    Britain's closed shop: damning report on social mobility failings | Society | The Guardian

    and if you dont trust the lefty Guardian.

    Disturbing finding from LSE study - social mobility in Britain lower than other advanced countries and declining - 2005 - News archive - News - Press and Information Office - External Relations Division - Home

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    In a comparison of eight European and North American countries, Britain and the United States have the lowest social mobility
    Social mobility in Britain has declined whereas in the US it is stable
    Part of the reason for Britain's decline has been that the better off have benefited disproportionately from increased educational opportunity


    And if it wasn't an issue we wouldnt need organisations like this.
    Social Mobility Foundation

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    Default Re: Should we abolish the Royal family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy View Post
    the divide between rich and poor HAS grown.

    social mobility has DECREASED.

    If you're born poor you are less likely to ever change that.


    The monachy is not directly responsible for that. Government and our own attitudes are.

    This is a different issue to that of the monachy.

    Thats complete b*llocks

    50 years ago if you were born poor yes indeed the chances of you making it were slim to none

    But in this day and age stockbrokers, bank managers etc come from all spectrums of our great land.

    If your 45 and living off welfare its not the f*cking royal familys fault or even the fact society hasnt given you a chance. The options out there are endless its just about being ruthless enough to take them when they come along!!
    No.

    Britain's closed shop: damning report on social mobility failings | Society | The Guardian

    and if you dont trust the lefty Guardian.

    Disturbing finding from LSE study - social mobility in Britain lower than other advanced countries and declining - 2005 - News archive - News - Press and Information Office - External Relations Division - Home

    Try the LSE
    In a comparison of eight European and North American countries, Britain and the United States have the lowest social mobility
    Social mobility in Britain has declined whereas in the US it is stable
    Part of the reason for Britain's decline has been that the better off have benefited disproportionately from increased educational opportunity


    And if it wasn't an issue we wouldnt need organisations like this.
    Social Mobility Foundation
    Yes, Britain and America are dead last in terms of social mobility in advanced economies. So it's not down to having a monarchy. And Denmark and Norway are top of the list for social mobility and they both have constitutional monarchies like we do. So having a monarchy has nothing to do with it. What creates social mobility is access to education. here's the lefty FT making the same point :

    FT.com / Comment / Opinion - The mobile society stalls at the gates of academe

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    Default Re: Should we abolish the Royal family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hattonthehammer View Post


    Thats complete b*llocks

    50 years ago if you were born poor yes indeed the chances of you making it were slim to none

    But in this day and age stockbrokers, bank managers etc come from all spectrums of our great land.

    If your 45 and living off welfare its not the f*cking royal familys fault or even the fact society hasnt given you a chance. The options out there are endless its just about being ruthless enough to take them when they come along!!
    No.

    Britain's closed shop: damning report on social mobility failings | Society | The Guardian

    and if you dont trust the lefty Guardian.

    Disturbing finding from LSE study - social mobility in Britain lower than other advanced countries and declining - 2005 - News archive - News - Press and Information Office - External Relations Division - Home

    Try the LSE
    In a comparison of eight European and North American countries, Britain and the United States have the lowest social mobility
    Social mobility in Britain has declined whereas in the US it is stable
    Part of the reason for Britain's decline has been that the better off have benefited disproportionately from increased educational opportunity


    And if it wasn't an issue we wouldnt need organisations like this.
    Social Mobility Foundation
    Yes, Britain and America are dead last in terms of social mobility in advanced economies. So it's not down to having a monarchy. And Denmark and Norway are top of the list for social mobility and they both have constitutional monarchies like we do. So having a monarchy has nothing to do with it. What creates social mobility is access to education. here's the lefty FT making the same point :

    FT.com / Comment / Opinion - The mobile society stalls at the gates of academe

    I never made the direct correlation between the UK having a monarchy and social mobiltity. Social conformity and norms are more subtle than that.

    AND access to education is not the 1 factor that allows S.M to take place.
    Last edited by Howlin Mad Missy; 11-20-2009 at 01:23 PM.

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