How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?

[mike_scfld]

Pac at the moment is within top 7, to me way above Duran. Duran has a questionable heart (no mas, no mas) just a pure brawler doesnt have the beauty of in and out, lateral movement, etc. Pac is way better than Duran in style and resume. If he beats Mayweather he is absolutely within top 3. Pac is a combination of Duran and Leonard to me.

Floyd beating Manny doesnt make him at top 20. He should step up and fights better oppositions bigger than him like what Manny did all his career. at the moment he is fighting good smaller opponents bloating them up to his comfortable weights, eg. Hatton and JMM, far from being a great fighter.

thats got to be the dumbest thing i heard in a long time, i not even gonna try and tell u why that is so stupid, it just is, WTF MAN

Best hypocrite post ever. cant say why because truth hurts. how can you deny no mas, no mas? does duran moves in and out? side to side? does he has lateral movement? compare pac resume to duran and youll see, blind stupid freak.

[BIG H]

Pac at the moment is within top 7, to me way above Duran. Duran has a questionable heart (no mas, no mas) just a pure brawler doesnt have the beauty of in and out, lateral movement, etc. Pac is way better than Duran in style and resume. If he beats Mayweather he is absolutely within top 3. Pac is a combination of Duran and Leonard to me.

Floyd beating Manny doesnt make him at top 20. He should step up and fights better oppositions bigger than him like what Manny did all his career. at the moment he is fighting good smaller opponents bloating them up to his comfortable weights, eg. Hatton and JMM, far from being a great fighter.

thats got to be the dumbest thing i heard in a long time, i not even gonna try and tell u why that is so stupid, it just is, WTF MAN

Best hypocrite post ever. cant say why because truth hurts. how can you deny no mas, no mas? does duran moves in and out? side to side? does he has lateral movement? compare pac resume to duran and youll see, blind stupid freak.

Yes he did actually!! These may not be key characteristics of his method of fighting, but he still had them. But Why are you using those things as reasons for him not being great? Are moving in and out and having great lateral movement the main criteria for great boxers? You need to go and watch some more Duran fights (and that's something I rarely say, coz I hate it when people say it, but you need to) the guys is arguably top 5 all time p4p and that is a view shared by a huge number of boxers, writers etc that know a lot more than you and I. I'll give yo No mas, it is the one shadow over his career - who knows what happend, but he more than made up for it before and after.

As for resume, you need to look at his career at Lightweight, anything after that (and he still had great achievements) was not his prime, he fought nearly twice as many fights at Lightweight than PBF has fought in his whole career to date.

Greatest Lightweight ever 71-1 - criticize his opposition all you want, but tell me who he didn't face during his reign

Was level after 12 rounds with the greatest middleweight of all time fighting 20 pounds above his natural weight.

Beat the unbeaten all time great Sugar Ray Leonard.

[ICB]

thats got to be the dumbest thing i heard in a long time, i not even gonna try and tell u why that is so stupid, it just is, WTF MAN

Best hypocrite post ever. cant say why because truth hurts. how can you deny no mas, no mas? does duran moves in and out? side to side? does he has lateral movement? compare pac resume to duran and youll see, blind stupid freak.

Yes he did actually!! These may not be key characteristics of his method of fighting, but he still had them. But Why are you using those things as reasons for him not being great? Are moving in and out and having great lateral movement the main criteria for great boxers? You need to go and watch some more Duran fights (and that's something I rarely say, coz I hate it when people say it, but you need to) the guys is arguably top 5 all time p4p and that is a view shared by a huge number of boxers, writers etc that know a lot more than you and I. I'll give yo No mas, it is the one shadow over his career - who knows what happend, but he more than made up for it before and after.

As for resume, you need to look at his career at Lightweight, anything after that (and he still had great achievements) was not his prime, he fought nearly twice as many fights at Lightweight than PBF has fought in his whole career to date.

Greatest Lightweight ever 71-1 - criticize his opposition all you want, but tell me who he didn't face during his reign

Was level after 12 rounds with the greatest middleweight of all time fighting 20 pounds above his natural weight.

Beat the unbeaten all time great Sugar Ray Leonard.

I remember i used to question Roberto Duran at one point, but boy was i wrong when i watched more of his fights. He was an excellent boxer/puncher, and probably had one of the best defense's for an aggressive fighter. He really had a slippery defense.

He also has some underrated wins at Lightweight and below Lightweight amazingly, he beat a very good boxer in Vilomar Fernandez who gave a prime Alexis Arguello, a boxing lesson pretty much. He also beat Ernesto Marcel at Featherweight i believe who also beat Alexis Arguello aswell.

And despite all that i think the fact that he lost at the higher weightclasses, and kept coming back when you thought he was a finished fighter actually adds to his greatness IMO.

And remember he started at 119 not far from Manny Pacquiao's orignal weightclass, and he managed to win a title at Middleweight and be competitive at the higher weightclasses, truly incredible IMO.

[BIG H]

Best hypocrite post ever. cant say why because truth hurts. how can you deny no mas, no mas? does duran moves in and out? side to side? does he has lateral movement? compare pac resume to duran and youll see, blind stupid freak.

Yes he did actually!! These may not be key characteristics of his method of fighting, but he still had them. But Why are you using those things as reasons for him not being great? Are moving in and out and having great lateral movement the main criteria for great boxers? You need to go and watch some more Duran fights (and that's something I rarely say, coz I hate it when people say it, but you need to) the guys is arguably top 5 all time p4p and that is a view shared by a huge number of boxers, writers etc that know a lot more than you and I. I'll give yo No mas, it is the one shadow over his career - who knows what happend, but he more than made up for it before and after.

As for resume, you need to look at his career at Lightweight, anything after that (and he still had great achievements) was not his prime, he fought nearly twice as many fights at Lightweight than PBF has fought in his whole career to date.

Greatest Lightweight ever 71-1 - criticize his opposition all you want, but tell me who he didn't face during his reign

Was level after 12 rounds with the greatest middleweight of all time fighting 20 pounds above his natural weight.

Beat the unbeaten all time great Sugar Ray Leonard.

I remember i used to question Roberto Duran at one point, but boy was i wrong when i watched more of his fights. He was an excellent boxer/puncher, and probably had one of the best defense's for an aggressive fighter. He really had a slippery defense.

He also has some underrated wins at Lightweight and below Lightweight amazingly, he beat a very good boxer in Vilomar Fernandez who gave a prime Alexis Arguello, a boxing lesson pretty much. He also beat Ernesto Marcel at Featherweight i believe who also beat Alexis Arguello aswell.

And despite all that i think the fact that he lost at the higher weightclasses, and kept coming back when you thought he was a finished fighter actually adds to his greatness IMO.

And remember he started at 119 not far from Manny Pacquiao's orignal weightclass, and he managed to win a title at Middleweight and be competitive at the higher weightclasses, truly incredible IMO.

Fair play for actually going away and watching more of his fights. I remember debating his greatness with you a few years back, I thought you would change your mind when you saw more of him.

[paddy448]

Pac at the moment is within top 7, to me way above Duran. Duran has a questionable heart (no mas, no mas) just a pure brawler doesnt have the beauty of in and out, lateral movement, etc. Pac is way better than Duran in style and resume. If he beats Mayweather he is absolutely within top 3. Pac is a combination of Duran and Leonard to me.

Floyd beating Manny doesnt make him at top 20. He should step up and fights better oppositions bigger than him like what Manny did all his career. at the moment he is fighting good smaller opponents bloating them up to his comfortable weights, eg. Hatton and JMM, far from being a great fighter.

thats got to be the dumbest thing i heard in a long time, i not even gonna try and tell u why that is so stupid, it just is, WTF MAN

Best hypocrite post ever. cant say why because truth hurts. how can you deny no mas, no mas? does duran moves in and out? side to side? does he has lateral movement? compare pac resume to duran and youll see, blind stupid freak.

seriously if u no anything about boxing u will understand what a stupid post that was, durans record is full of the best fighters in each division he fought in from lightweight up too middleweight, hes the only fighter in history to fight thru 5 decades, and retired with 119 fights with 103 wins fighting fighters along the way like, esteban de jesus,kirkland laing, marvin hagler, wilfredo benitez, ken buchanen, tommy hearns, sugar ray leonard,iran barkley, hector camacho,pipino cuevas, davie moore, william joppy, and many other top tier fighters. i dont want too get in too a stupid name calling rant with u, but u obviously dont no shit because of the shit u come out with, u really need to watch durans fights and then decide who u think has the better resume., pac can never over come duran p4p. not ever.

[Master]

Manny Pac has not yet finished his career, I did not think he would beat ODH, Hatton and Cotto. Wait and see, but he has not over taken Duran. Paddy said it all.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Best hypocrite post ever. cant say why because truth hurts. how can you deny no mas, no mas? does duran moves in and out? side to side? does he has lateral movement? compare pac resume to duran and youll see, blind stupid freak.

Yes he did actually!! These may not be key characteristics of his method of fighting, but he still had them. But Why are you using those things as reasons for him not being great? Are moving in and out and having great lateral movement the main criteria for great boxers? You need to go and watch some more Duran fights (and that's something I rarely say, coz I hate it when people say it, but you need to) the guys is arguably top 5 all time p4p and that is a view shared by a huge number of boxers, writers etc that know a lot more than you and I. I'll give yo No mas, it is the one shadow over his career - who knows what happend, but he more than made up for it before and after.

As for resume, you need to look at his career at Lightweight, anything after that (and he still had great achievements) was not his prime, he fought nearly twice as many fights at Lightweight than PBF has fought in his whole career to date.

Greatest Lightweight ever 71-1 - criticize his opposition all you want, but tell me who he didn't face during his reign

Was level after 12 rounds with the greatest middleweight of all time fighting 20 pounds above his natural weight.

Beat the unbeaten all time great Sugar Ray Leonard.

I remember i used to question Roberto Duran at one point, but boy was i wrong when i watched more of his fights. He was an excellent boxer/puncher, and probably had one of the best defense's for an aggressive fighter. He really had a slippery defense.

He also has some underrated wins at Lightweight and below Lightweight amazingly, he beat a very good boxer in Vilomar Fernandez who gave a prime Alexis Arguello, a boxing lesson pretty much. He also beat Ernesto Marcel at Featherweight i believe who also beat Alexis Arguello aswell.

And despite all that i think the fact that he lost at the higher weightclasses, and kept coming back when you thought he was a finished fighter actually adds to his greatness IMO.

And remember he started at 119 not far from Manny Pacquiao's orignal weightclass, and he managed to win a title at Middleweight and be competitive at the higher weightclasses, truly incredible IMO.

actually was at Super Middleweight

[ICB]

Yes he did actually!! These may not be key characteristics of his method of fighting, but he still had them. But Why are you using those things as reasons for him not being great? Are moving in and out and having great lateral movement the main criteria for great boxers? You need to go and watch some more Duran fights (and that's something I rarely say, coz I hate it when people say it, but you need to) the guys is arguably top 5 all time p4p and that is a view shared by a huge number of boxers, writers etc that know a lot more than you and I. I'll give yo No mas, it is the one shadow over his career - who knows what happend, but he more than made up for it before and after.

As for resume, you need to look at his career at Lightweight, anything after that (and he still had great achievements) was not his prime, he fought nearly twice as many fights at Lightweight than PBF has fought in his whole career to date.

Greatest Lightweight ever 71-1 - criticize his opposition all you want, but tell me who he didn't face during his reign

Was level after 12 rounds with the greatest middleweight of all time fighting 20 pounds above his natural weight.

Beat the unbeaten all time great Sugar Ray Leonard.

I remember i used to question Roberto Duran at one point, but boy was i wrong when i watched more of his fights. He was an excellent boxer/puncher, and probably had one of the best defense's for an aggressive fighter. He really had a slippery defense.

He also has some underrated wins at Lightweight and below Lightweight amazingly, he beat a very good boxer in Vilomar Fernandez who gave a prime Alexis Arguello, a boxing lesson pretty much. He also beat Ernesto Marcel at Featherweight i believe who also beat Alexis Arguello aswell.

And despite all that i think the fact that he lost at the higher weightclasses, and kept coming back when you thought he was a finished fighter actually adds to his greatness IMO.

And remember he started at 119 not far from Manny Pacquiao's orignal weightclass, and he managed to win a title at Middleweight and be competitive at the higher weightclasses, truly incredible IMO.

actually was at Super Middleweight

Nah it was Middleweight bro i just double checked to make sure, its because Iran Barkley had just KO'ed Tommy Hearns. And i know that was at Middleweight, and Roberto Duran fought for the title Tommy Hearns won off Juan Roldan which he then lost to Iran Barkley.

Maybe your getting mixed up with the 3rd fight. He had against Sugar Ray Leonard, which was for the Super Middleweight title but he lost that fight. I believe Sugar Ray Leonard won that title from beating Donny La Londe, which was at catchweight and two titles were on the line i believe.

[Tysonbruno]

It was the WBC Middleweight title it was about a year before Benn stopped him in 1 round Barkley that is.