Should Bush and Blair be tried for war crimes?

[El Kabong]

OK first off let me say I was wrong.....I should have put LBJ instead of JFK in my previous post re: Vietnam being an illegally started war, man that has been bothering me all day

Kirkland/Nameless those are erroneous points if we're talking about JUST George Bush and not American foreign policy as a whole which I assume this thread will eventually get into but either way the US isn't the bad guys and W and Blair are not war criminals and once again to suggest such a thing is idiotic, partisian, and doesn't help anyone except the terrorists....right now the terrorists are thinking "We think they are wrong because they do not follow Muhammed and they are occupying our countries" and if we even tried W and Blair for war crimes it would be "Even they knew they were wrong, let's kill them anyway"

The issue I have with liberals these days is that under NO MEANS is war ever acceptable and that is not only foolish and naive but it's dangerous because just 8 years ago we were at peace and we got blindsided by a group who was/is/and will always be at war with us and to not even attempt to fight back is mental.

[Kirkland Laing]

the US isn't the bad guys and W and Blair are not war criminals and once again to suggest such a thing is idiotic, partisian, and doesn't help anyone except the terrorists....right now the terrorists are thinking "We think they are wrong because they do not follow Muhammed and they are occupying our countries" and if we even tried W and Blair for war crimes it would be "Even they knew they were wrong, let's kill them anyway"

The issue I have with liberals these days is that under NO MEANS is war ever acceptable and that is not only foolish and naive but it's dangerous because just 8 years ago we were at peace and we got blindsided by a group who was/is/and will always be at war with us and to not even attempt to fight back is mental.

The US started an illegal premptive war against a country that had nothing to do with Islamic terrorism? How are they not the bad guys?

Bush and Blair planned an aggressive preemtive war and there's endless evidence to show this. Back in 1948 planning aggressive wars was described by the head American prosecutor at Nuremburg as the worst of all war crimes, the kingpin that allowed all the other Nazi war crimes to happen. Bearing this in mind, shouldn't B and B be prosecuted for planning a war of aggression?

In 2001 you got attacked by people from countries where for decades you've been propping up tyrants, despots and dictators who've kept their people under horrible repressive conditions. Don't you think that after decades of keeping these guys in power, continuing to keep those guys in power and thus dooming hundreds of millions of people to live under endless repression, that it's understandable if some of those people might occasionally take their anger about it out on your office buildings?

[Nameless]

the US isn't the bad guys and W and Blair are not war criminals and once again to suggest such a thing is idiotic, partisian, and doesn't help anyone except the terrorists....right now the terrorists are thinking "We think they are wrong because they do not follow Muhammed and they are occupying our countries" and if we even tried W and Blair for war crimes it would be "Even they knew they were wrong, let's kill them anyway"

The issue I have with liberals these days is that under NO MEANS is war ever acceptable and that is not only foolish and naive but it's dangerous because just 8 years ago we were at peace and we got blindsided by a group who was/is/and will always be at war with us and to not even attempt to fight back is mental.

The US started an illegal premptive war against a country that had nothing to do with Islamic terrorism? How are they not the bad guys?

Bush and Blair planned an aggressive preemtive war and there's endless evidence to show this. Back in 1948 planning aggressive wars was described by the head American prosecutor at Nuremburg as the worst of all war crimes, the kingpin that allowed all the other Nazi war crimes to happen. Bearing this in mind, shouldn't B and B be prosecuted for planning a war of aggression?

In 2001 you got attacked by people from countries where for decades you've been propping up tyrants, despots and dictators who've kept their people under horrible repressive conditions. Don't you think that after decades of keeping these guys in power, continuing to keep those guys in power and thus dooming hundreds of millions of people to live under endless repression, that it's understandable if some of those people might occasionally take their anger about it out on your office buildings?

That sums up pretty much my thoughts. Plus Lyle, know that such behaviors are just fueling the extremists ranks, it gives them gold arguments to recruit: "you see, America declare an illegal war on us because they hate muslims and want our demise" and such bullshit. The war made things worst toward extremists. Fact.

[El Kabong]

The US started an illegal premptive war against a country that had nothing to do with Islamic terrorism? How are they not the bad guys?

Bush and Blair planned an aggressive preemtive war and there's endless evidence to show this. Back in 1948 planning aggressive wars was described by the head American prosecutor at Nuremburg as the worst of all war crimes, the kingpin that allowed all the other Nazi war crimes to happen. Bearing this in mind, shouldn't B and B be prosecuted for planning a war of aggression?

In 2001 you got attacked by people from countries where for decades you've been propping up tyrants, despots and dictators who've kept their people under horrible repressive conditions. Don't you think that after decades of keeping these guys in power, continuing to keep those guys in power and thus dooming hundreds of millions of people to live under endless repression, that it's understandable if some of those people might occasionally take their anger about it out on your office buildings?

The US started illegal preemtive wars with Vietnam and Spain but nothing happened to those leaders.

We propped up Saddam we had every right to take him out

[Howlin Mad Missy]

The US started an illegal premptive war against a country that had nothing to do with Islamic terrorism? How are they not the bad guys?

Bush and Blair planned an aggressive preemtive war and there's endless evidence to show this. Back in 1948 planning aggressive wars was described by the head American prosecutor at Nuremburg as the worst of all war crimes, the kingpin that allowed all the other Nazi war crimes to happen. Bearing this in mind, shouldn't B and B be prosecuted for planning a war of aggression?

In 2001 you got attacked by people from countries where for decades you've been propping up tyrants, despots and dictators who've kept their people under horrible repressive conditions. Don't you think that after decades of keeping these guys in power, continuing to keep those guys in power and thus dooming hundreds of millions of people to live under endless repression, that it's understandable if some of those people might occasionally take their anger about it out on your office buildings?

The US started illegal preemtive wars with Vietnam and Spain but nothing happened to those leaders.

We propped up Saddam we had every right to take him out

Lyle, that's just stupid to a new level of stupid.

[El Kabong]

Who put him in power Missy? If you can put people in power you should be able to take them out, it's only fair. And it's not OUR fault every single person we put in power turns into a power drunk lunatic.

You guys should really be blaming England for all of this anyway, you guys got us involved over there to begin with.

[Nameless]

Who put him in power Missy? If you can put people in power you should be able to take them out, it's only fair. And it's not OUR fault every single person we put in power turns into a power drunk lunatic.

You guys should really be blaming England for all of this anyway, you guys got us involved over there to begin with.

1) the US never put Saddam in power. REad about his history, he raised by himself, you just made tons of negociation with him and sold him dirty dirty stuff.

2) the US aren't God. Even if you put a dictator in place to serve your interests (which is highly illegal by the way) doesn't mean you have any copyright over his reign and to decide how you can make it stop (which is once again very illegal).

3) we're not talking every other unfair wars where the peoples should be trialed just the same Lyle, it doesn't apply only to the B&B international carnage inc but we were, in the present case, discussing more specifically their case.

[Kirkland Laing]

We propped up Saddam we had every right to take him out

Not according to international law you didn't. So bearing that in mind, should B and B face trial for war crimes?

[El Kabong]

Not according to international law you didn't. So bearing that in mind, should B and B face trial for war crimes?

We give the world these little tokens like the UN and all you shmoes want to do is try and take us down with them.

1. We supported him figuring he would be a benelovent dictator, but I just guess that's the way the cookie crumbles...every single time

2. Yeah, I do get confused all the time about that , I forgot that England, France, and Spain were the last powers to be able to control other countries.

3. I am just using the FACT that based on precedent Bush and Blair are in the clear.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Not according to international law you didn't. So bearing that in mind, should B and B face trial for war crimes?

We give the world these little tokens like the UN and all you shmoes want to do is try and take us down with them.

1. We supported him figuring he would be a benelovent dictator, but I just guess that's the way the cookie crumbles...every single time

2. Yeah, I do get confused all the time about that , I forgot that England, France, and Spain were the last powers to be able to control other countries.

3. I am just using the FACT that based on precedent Bush and Blair are in the clear.

You see that as some sort of American right?

[El Kabong]

Why should they have stopped us from having some fun


Seriously Missy we deserve a say when our country is in danger and when I say "our country" that includes our intrests. The only reason this is even an issue is because the handling of the war was botched, if it was smooth sailing and was finished in 2-3 years nobody would have complained and there was a way to do that.

[Nameless]

Not according to international law you didn't. So bearing that in mind, should B and B face trial for war crimes?

We give the world these little tokens like the UN and all you shmoes want to do is try and take us down with them.

1. We supported him figuring he would be a benelovent dictator, but I just guess that's the way the cookie crumbles...every single time

2. Yeah, I do get confused all the time about that , I forgot that England, France, and Spain were the last powers to be able to control other countries.

3. I am just using the FACT that based on precedent Bush and Blair are in the clear.

The UN are you shitting me? The Us have one of the worst politics toward UN, especially since the Bush era, they wanted it dismantled because they said it goes against their interests. They are paying way too late their annually contributions, dammit, read a bit about it Lyle, I understand that my job consists of knowing these things among others but that is quite basic facts there!

2) you always confuse the past with the present, it's not because some stuff 400 years ago was considered ok (i.e forced colonization) that it is ok today (I.e US corporated colonization). Iraq has been a mass murder, a decapitation of a country where now education system are ruined because of how poor and not necessary was the intervention in Iraq.

3) yeah, you supported a dictator because he was buying tons of your stuff, the US never cared when they used chemical weapons against Iran, that was "not your problem", but then when Saddam continues to be all evil but that you dislike it, then the good old uncle Saddam becomes evil. There should never been a support in the first instance, what you suggest is pure hypocrisy, it's like if you were saying that it is ok to support canadian democracy and because you did support it, it is also ok to attack them and dismantle the country if it doesn,t serve your interests anymore.

[Kirkland Laing]

Not according to international law you didn't. So bearing that in mind, should B and B face trial for war crimes?

We give the world these little tokens like the UN and all you shmoes want to do is try and take us down with them.

1. We supported him figuring he would be a benelovent dictator, but I just guess that's the way the cookie crumbles...every single time

2. Yeah, I do get confused all the time about that , I forgot that England, France, and Spain were the last powers to be able to control other countries.

3. I am just using the FACT that based on precedent Bush and Blair are in the clear.

Based on international law they're not. And taking the law into consideration, do you think they should stand trial.

[Kirkland Laing]

HTH, define "clean up" and "mess".